Radiant Energy theory

[JasonD]

I have an idea about Tesla's Radiant energy and would like a little peer review.

I have studied Tesla and built some of his circuits. In particular I have studied and built a "pancake" coil and I have built a "hair pin circuit". If your not too sure what these are, a little search on the internet will yield a ton of information. Send me a message if your still not too clear. What strikes me as strange is what is the mechanism between the primary and secondary? What is the connection from energizing the primary and getting that energy to the secondary to produce obvious high voltage results?? If you look at a pancake coil you will find that the magnetic coupling between the two is incredible weak. On top of that the amperage going through the primary is really small and as a result the magnetic field produced is also really small. Again, how does the energy get from the primary to the secondary? It just just doesn't make sense if you think it in terms of magnetic fields. Conventional transformers, the magnetic field of primary is strongly coupled with secondary so that the fields have the greatest effect from one to the other. But Tesla coils don't seem to work this way. Now, I have read peoples best attempts at explaining how Tesla transformers work, but they never seem to have a strong explanation of the link from primary to secondary. And saying that Tesla transformers work because they are resonant transformers is not a good explanation.

Conventional transformers work by using amperage in primary to create magnetic field to create amperage in secondary. The connecting feature between the two is the magnetic field. And we all have played with magnets as kids, so we can understand that a magnet seems to effect the environment around it. It can attract metal like iron and can create amperage in a copper wire by just moving past it. It is almost like the magnet can reach out touch things through its field. So one can understand that a coil of wire with current running though it can have an effect on a second coil even though the two may not be mechanically linked.

Tesla transformers don't really produce this magnetic field, so what's going on? Then it occurred to me. The primary in a Tesla coil does produce a field but it is not a magnetic field but an electric field. When you turn on a Van De Graff machine you create a high voltage electric field. This field has effects on material around it at a distance, similar to how magnetic fields work. Now, in a Tesla coil, this field is rapidly turned on and off. If magnetic fields can transmitted across space, is it not possible that a electric field be "radiated" outward? It seems that if this is the case that transformers utilizing magnetic fields tend to create voltages with higher currents and transformers based on electric fields tend to create high voltages with low currents. This theory lends itself to a really good explanation for the experimental results when using the hair pin circuit. It also puts a new spin on how wireless power works. Not as a magnetic field travelling through the air but as an electric field, which may have completely different characteristics.

Any thoughts?

[mbrownn]

This is how I see it.

When we put a charge in a wire it will attract the opposite charge and repel a like charge until equilibrium of charges is reached. It is these charges that are the radiant as they do not need a conductor to follow. I believe that they are sub atomic particles much smaller than an electron.

So the coupling between different coils is not necessarily magnetic, it is the movement of sub atomic charges by attraction or repulsion of charge.

when this movement occurs we are able to collect some of it, it has no amps because amps require the movement of much larger particles called electrons. it is very very fast because have undetectable levels or no mass so no observable inertia is there.

These particles are everywhere, even in the vacuum, held apart by their like charge and attracted by their opposite charge. When any change in charge of any kind happens in the universe these particles move to balance that charge.

So in effect we live in a sea of charge and all we have to do is polarize that charge to extract the energy.

Hope this helps

[mbrownn]

Expanding the hypothesis

Expanding the hypothesis

If it is not the imaginary lines of flux in a magnet that causes electrons to flow in a wire but the movement of charge caused by the magnet's movement, then magnets must polarize the charge.

If this field is stationary then no charge can be detected as there is no change in the charge. So to extract the energy we must cause a change in charge or a change in magnetic field.

[Farmhand]

Expanding the hypothesis

If it is not the imaginary lines of flux in a magnet that causes electrons to flow in a wire but the movement of charge caused by the magnet's movement, then magnets must polarize the charge.

If this field is stationary then no charge can be detected as there is no change in the charge. So to extract the energy we must cause a change in charge or a change in magnetic field.

I like it, does that hypothesis relate to the generator section of this patent ?

Because it is hard to see how it would work otherwise. Are you familiar with this patent mbrownn ? I like the way you think !

It would seem there would be very little magnetic field outside the toroidal core the field magnets are wound on. So going by your hypothesis the changing electric field from the excited field magnets could be polarising the charge in the area which is inducted into the armature windings ?

Very little magnetic radiation. Seems like.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...721.png?psid=1

Cheers

[mbrownn]

I have seen the patent but to be honest I don't understand toroids.

This is how I see it.

The coils are still dipoles attracting an repelling radiant. the core will hold the radiant in polarization until the field collapses, at that moment some the radiant enters the wires and can be used. I think the key to its operation is to put the collection coils over the point of highest concentration of radiant in the core at the time of field collapse.

As the core magnetic field collapse can be engineered to be slower than the coil we should be able to eliminate the opposition caused by our input current, this way more of the escaping radiant can be collected by the pickup coils.

Its an engineering problem to make the core slower than the coil, I would say its all about timing. The input commutators have to be timed to match the speed of the field rise on the input coils. The core must be slower to release the magnetism than the input coils and the commutators on the output coils must be timed to the release of energy.

This is pulsed DC operation, AC is different .

[mbrownn]

No doubt that the MEG has these properties too

[philopolymath]

Just love talking Aether

I'm going to understand this Radient Aether come hell or high water.

For now, my deluded view is leaning towards W. Russell

There are no electrons only inductive resonance by the Aether which opportunes or precipitates the change in charge/voltage sequencialy.
Like stop motion animation. (maybe we don't/can't move after all?)
There are only the N. & S. pole magnets forever chasing each other, And the neutral partical
As expressed by Ed. (I like Ed and I trust him)
Energy is expressed only as electricity but divided into Pos/Neg. over a very wide density and frequency spectrum.
Sun's are the expression of the maximun desinsity of Pos. Electric charge potential.
Indeed I would think what we record as emminations from the Sun are the spill off or overflow.
The vacuity of space is the maximum expression of Neg electric charge potential
In between we have all the marbles
Matter/Each atom only exists when/if the isotropic homogeneous accustic pressure of the Aether acts upon the interaction of the 2 Pos/Neg expressions which we label electricity which always flow in repulsive spiral opposition. ying & yang
Is lightning not now known to be a most visible example of the 2 way discharge?
Positive flows down to Earth. Neg flows up and radiates out to space?

Larger structures are just fractals of the above.
(or should I say below )
Hence sacred geometry correlates with electric geometry.
Astronomy coroborates the electric nature of nature.
Music falls in sync nicely also.

Mainstream science's "electricity" needs to be reclassified as "CavemanElectricity", The Hertzian misconception.

Heironomous could detect superluminal LEM waves as did Tesla/Dollard.
Does this not give support to the ebb and tide of the Aether as influenced by the sum of all radiative bodies in the universe?

Anyone can repeat Moreley-Michealson in a vertical configuration and find an irrefutable datum point evidencing the Aether.

I like D.Pond's SVP and D.B. Larson's "Reciprical" also.
I find them compatible with Tesla & Russell & Leedskalin.

I of course will welcome critique.

[Farmhand]

Yes this thing makes AC, but I know from experiment that there is very little magnetic field outside the physical dimensions of the coils/core of a toroid, I can only surmise that even though Nikola is refering to the field produced by the magnetic poles, I think he means the electric field outside the core produces the currents. I need to test it. The rotor can be rotated in the opposite direction to the rotating Field in the toroid. For greater effect.

Most generator's need to have the armature spun faster to produce more current. I could be wrong but I think this will still output power if the rotor is stopped.

If this is how it works it should be totally "Lensless" or however that is spelled.

He states that if the Exciter is "excited" the generator armature/rotor will spin freely because of it and in sync. Then when the setup is checked/loaded the generator currents increase because of two reasons, I cut a snippet below.

Patent is 390721

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...DEM.jpg?psid=1

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see how a magnetic field from that Generator torus could spin the generator armature. But that is what he says.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...n-2.jpg?psid=1

While it is left to rotate freely no currents are produced. But if the armature is "either" slowed down or sped up it will produce currents. As in the snippet above.

I have a toroidal tansformer and if I put a compass right on it anywhere it doesn't seem to do much to it movement barely noticable, but if I put it near the end of a solenoid it is effected a "lot".

Seems there could be something to this thing. Patent Speak is very confusing. Not as bad as legalese but. I think I am confused again. But I thought I would mention it here because you're theory seemed to fit it.

Sorry if I'm off topic, I appologise.

Cheers

[mbrownn]

I'm going to understand this Radient Aether come hell or high water.

For now, my deluded view is leaning towards W. Russell

There are no electrons only inductive resonance by the Aether which opportunes or precipitates the change in charge/voltage sequencialy.
Like stop motion animation. (maybe we don't/can't move after all?)
There are only the N. & S. pole magnets forever chasing each other, And the neutral partical
As expressed by Ed. (I like Ed and I trust him)
Energy is expressed only as electricity but divided into Pos/Neg. over a very wide density and frequency spectrum.
Sun's are the expression of the maximun desinsity of Pos. Electric charge potential.
Indeed I would think what we record as emminations from the Sun are the spill off or overflow.
The vacuity of space is the maximum expression of Neg electric charge potential
In between we have all the marbles
Matter/Each atom only exists when/if the isotropic homogeneous accustic pressure of the Aether acts upon the interaction of the 2 Pos/Neg expressions which we label electricity which always flow in repulsive spiral opposition. ying & yang
Is lightning not now known to be a most visible example of the 2 way discharge?
Positive flows down to Earth. Neg flows up and radiates out to space?

Larger structures are just fractals of the above.
(or should I say below )
Hence sacred geometry correlates with electric geometry.
Astronomy coroborates the electric nature of nature.
Music falls in sync nicely also.

Mainstream science's "electricity" needs to be reclassified as "CavemanElectricity", The Hertzian misconception.

Heironomous could detect superluminal LEM waves as did Tesla/Dollard.
Does this not give support to the ebb and tide of the Aether as influenced by the sum of all radiative bodies in the universe?

Anyone can repeat Moreley-Michealson in a vertical configuration and find an irrefutable datum point evidencing the Aether.

I like D.Pond's SVP and D.B. Larson's "Reciprical" also.
I find them compatible with Tesla & Russell & Leedskalin.

I of course will welcome critique.

You obviously know more teachings than I. so I can only tell you of what I understand.

My expression is my basic understanding of what Tesla, Bedini and Beardon talk about. Am I correct? who knows at this point in time.

I agree fully that electrical theory is incomplete and to some extent it has been used to hide the other aspects of these types of energy.

[mbrownn]

Yes this thing makes AC, but I know from experiment that there is very little magnetic field outside the physical dimensions of the coils/core of a toroid, I can only surmise that even though Nikola is refering to the field produced by the magnetic poles, I think he means the electric field outside the core produces the currents. I need to test it. The rotor can be rotated in the opposite direction to the rotating Field in the toroid. For greater effect.

Most generator's need to have the armature spun faster to produce more current. I could be wrong but I think this will still output power if the rotor is stopped.

If this is how it works it should be totally "Lensless" or however that is spelled.

He states that if the Exciter is "excited" the generator armature/rotor will spin freely because of it and in sync. Then when the setup is checked/loaded the generator currents increase because of two reasons, I cut a snippet below.

Patent is 390721

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...DEM.jpg?psid=1

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see how a magnetic field from that Generator torus could spin the generator armature. But that is what he says.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...n-2.jpg?psid=1

While it is left to rotate freely no currents are produced. But if the armature is "either" slowed down or sped up it will produce currents. As in the snippet above.

I have a toroidal tansformer and if I put a compass right on it anywhere it doesn't seem to do much to it movement barely noticable, but if I put it near the end of a solenoid it is effected a "lot".

Seems there could be something to this thing. Patent Speak is very confusing. Not as bad as legalese but. I think I am confused again. But I thought I would mention it here because you're theory seemed to fit it.

Sorry if I'm off topic, I appologise.

Cheers

Im out of my depth here but I think if the device was operated at the natural frequency of the input coils, and all the parts were made to work at the correct frequencies. There could be two things going on, the collection of radiant at an out of phase frequency to the input and because there appears to be a second input on the exciter, maybe some interference between the signals causing a concentration of the radiant. Sort of an amplification.

I could be completely wrong as I said I don't know about toroids.

The motor action would be weak in a toroidal setup but works in the same way as an AC motor

[Farmhand]

Hmm I think i'll go dig up an old thread about this thing. See what I can find out and maybe make a post in it. I found some more info I haven't read yet.
There is a calculation there I have no way of understanding so I am hoping someone else will tell me what it means in english.

Cheers

[Iotayodi]

I have questions about this if anyone knows.
Has this pulsed dc radiant energy been verified and written in stone?
Does the current lead the voltage?
Is the result magnified with either increased voltage or current?
Can this field interact with with the visible light spectrum or lower electromagnetic frequencies or sound?
If its some type of shock wave does it traverse the whole wire at the same intensity?
Is it a pure wave form and/or a part of the electromagnetic spectrum?
Any experiments done with liquids or various solids or combinations of the two?
Is there a set distance out from the wire?

[mbrownn]

I have questions about this if anyone knows.
Has this pulsed dc radiant energy been verified and written in stone?
Does the current lead the voltage?
Is the result magnified with either increased voltage or current?
Can this field interact with with the visible light spectrum or lower electromagnetic frequencies or sound?
If its some type of shock wave does it traverse the whole wire at the same intensity?
Is it a pure wave form and/or a part of the electromagnetic spectrum?
Any experiments done with liquids or various solids or combinations of the two?
Is there a set distance out from the wire?

Lots to answer here so ill try to be brief. My hypothesis is based around the interactions of charged particles and observed results when switching on and off a current.

As far as I am aware, quantum physics requires a material aether of some sort and could not work without it, Cosmology also seems to say the same thing. It would seem that "standard Electrical Theory" is out of step with modern science because it was set in stone. Theory is theory and science does not allow for something to be set in stone unless it fits all the facts and conditions. Electrical theory does not do that.

Current is the movement of electrons, this can only happen if there is a charge differential and a circuit for the electrons to follow. With radiant, it does not require a circuit to follow and it is not movement of electrons so no current can be measured. It may be that radiant can cause electrons to flow by way of their charge but this is so short in duration that little current is measured.

The radiant seems to be proportional to the size of charge and frequency so increasing the voltage differential and frequency increases the radiant. By its nature it seems to be an amplification of the source charge. Flow of current does not seem to give any radiant, I believe that the reason for this is, the charge has been balanced and equilibrium reached before much current can flow.

Tesla s experiments and notes suggest that it does interact with all forms of the electromagnetic spectrum, given the right conditions.

I believe it is similar to a shock wave in that it radiates out in all directions loosing intensity with distance, a bit like ripples in a pond when you throw in a stone.

I am not sure about the reason for it to follow a conductor other than it can induce a small current flow causing a ripple of charge in the wire.

It may well be part of the electromagnetic spectrum and could be what photons are made up of. This would explain to some extent the workings of an interferometer.

The radiant does seem gaseous in nature, but with experiments using water it is known that there is some detectable interaction given the right conditions, for example radiant has been used to produce HHO gas from water. It has also been noted that if we dope wires with different metals more radiant can be obtained. This may be because the slowing of electrons allows for a longer period of imbalance of charge when circuit is switched on or off.

As far a distance is concerned, I believe the closer the better, of course the draw back is arcing across two points may occur with high charge. It has been noted that huge amounts of radiant occur perpendicular to a high voltage disrupted spark. This does seem to be the working principal of the Gray tube and the Testika machine.

Does this help?

[Farmhand]

I'm looking at that diagram above and wondering if there should actually be two drawing's to represent properly what happens.

The one above and another the same, but with no magnetic field and the radiant arrows pointing inwards. To represent what happens when the current stops. It's when the current is shut off we collect the radiant back in, isn't it? Or as much as will fit into the particular coil we are switching.

Or do we only collect the magnetic field back in ? Or some of both ? If the radiant energy only leaves the wire and go's away we can't get it back, unless other radiant energy replaces it. Does the radiant energy cause negative resistance, because it leave's a "virtual vacuum" ?

Just a thought.

[Web000x]

Lots to answer here so ill try to be brief. My hypothesis is based around the interactions of charged particles and observed results when switching on and off a current.

As far as I am aware, quantum physics requires a material aether of some sort and could not work without it, Cosmology also seems to say the same thing. It would seem that "standard Electrical Theory" is out of step with modern science because it was set in stone. Theory is theory and science does not allow for something to be set in stone unless it fits all the facts and conditions. Electrical theory does not do that.

Current is the movement of electrons, this can only happen if there is a charge differential and a circuit for the electrons to follow. With radiant, it does not require a circuit to follow and it is not movement of electrons so no current can be measured. It may be that radiant can cause electrons to flow by way of their charge but this is so short in duration that little current is measured.

The radiant seems to be proportional to the size of charge and frequency so increasing the voltage differential and frequency increases the radiant. By its nature it seems to be an amplification of the source charge. Flow of current does not seem to give any radiant, I believe that the reason for this is, the charge has been balanced and equilibrium reached before much current can flow.

Tesla s experiments and notes suggest that it does interact with all forms of the electromagnetic spectrum, given the right conditions.

I believe it is similar to a shock wave in that it radiates out in all directions loosing intensity with distance, a bit like ripples in a pond when you throw in a stone.

I am not sure about the reason for it to follow a conductor other than it can induce a small current flow causing a ripple of charge in the wire.

It may well be part of the electromagnetic spectrum and could be what photons are made up of. This would explain to some extent the workings of an interferometer.

The radiant does seem gaseous in nature, but with experiments using water it is known that there is some detectable interaction given the right conditions, for example radiant has been used to produce HHO gas from water. It has also been noted that if we dope wires with different metals more radiant can be obtained. This may be because the slowing of electrons allows for a longer period of imbalance of charge when circuit is switched on or off.

As far a distance is concerned, I believe the closer the better, of course the draw back is arcing across two points may occur with high charge. It has been noted that huge amounts of radiant occur perpendicular to a high voltage disrupted spark. This does seem to be the working principal of the Gray tube and the Testika machine.

Does this help?

You should study the works of Eric Dollard if you have not already. He is extremely clear in his explanations of Tesla phenomena. I have never found Tesla, Bedini, or Bearden explanations as thorough as Mr. Dollards

The "Radiant Energy" pulse shown in the diagram is simply dielectric flux, magnetism's conjugate energy form. All electric circuits are wires for the conversion between magnetism and dielectric forces hence oscillations occur. These oscillations occur in the space outside of the wire. The wire just reflects dielectric into magnetism and visa versa.

I am convinced that Eric Dollard's derived algebra is correct. He states that there are two types of power flow, positive and negative.

Everybody is familiar with the first which is V*I = Watts. The negative flow would be -V*I = - Watts. These are real power values so they are in the domain of +1 or -1, no imaginary numbers in this simplified equation. These would simply be the products of magnetism and dielectricity at that point in time.

Dollard speaks of the importance of synchronous parameter (capacitance/inductance) variation vs. time for the synthesis of energy.

When Bedini uses his battery chargers, I'll bet that he is hitting a battery with a capacitor dump which causes oscillations in the battery. The battery is then acting like a varying capacitor. When the battery oscillations are negative, the battery gets another cap dump (positive current flow against a negative voltage slope) which causes a negative power factor or aka Free/negative energy.

That is why Bedini states that multicoil machines will be the bearers of overunity. They are able to recharge a capacitor quickly enough to dump again before the oscillations in the battery are able to dampen out too much.

This hasn't been experimentally verified by myself, but it would tie together much of the jargon that has most everybody baffled.

Dave