Trees as radiant energy collector

[MonsieurM]

I may have an answer to that:

"Although I can find no absolutely credible link through a google search and the debate could be settled more easily if either of us spoke Russian and had a knack for tracking down relatively ancient research (1920s-30s)...

Apparently the Russian scientist Alexander Chizhevsky, who proposed and thoroughly researched links between solar activity and biological response, found that bacteria in water responded to solar flares instantaneously, as opposed to the 8.3 minutes it should take for the photon bombardment to elicit a response."

Red Dog Bear: Why Your Brain is not a Quantum Computer

"Life is a phenomenon. Its production is due to the influence of the dynamics of the cosmos on a passive subject. It lives due to dynamics, each oscillation of organic pulsation is coordinated with the cosmic heart in a grandiose whole of nebulas, stars, the sun and the planet."
- Alexander L Chizhevsky

If so, and I think it is, water is definitely your coil to catch radiant waves

a perfect example of that: (from the links in post#7)



another interesting experiment, this i may try it, just replace the conical antenna with a Rodin Coil (use rapid growth plant to have faster results.



link:

Alexander Chizhevsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cycles Research Institute Research Chizhevsky

[MonsieurM]

one more info:

Wasserfadden, the floating water bridge experiment

YouTube - ‪Wasserfadden, the floating water bridge experiment‬‏

Two brimful glasses of water are placed adjacent to each other on an insulating panel, and moved so their rims are nearly touching. A short length of (silk?) thread is wetted and placed so as to bridge across the rims of the glasses. A high voltage, low current power supply or Wimshurst electrostatic generator is connected to the water in the glasses, with one wire lead going to one glass, the other lead to the other.

When the high voltage power supply is turned on, the water is reported to move along the thread. If the thread is short and very thin, the fluid current will carry the thread along through the bridge. The thread will be entirely pumped into the ?NEGATIVE?? glass, but the conductive bridge of water will not break when the thread has left it. A short filament of pure water will be left behind. If the high-voltage supply is disconnected, the water filament falls apart. If salt is added to the water, this also disrupts the filament. There are reports that the water in the core of the liquid thread moves in one direction, while water in the surrounding shell goes opposite.

Weird Science: The Wasserfadden High Voltage Water-thread Experiment

note

There are reports that the water in the core of the liquid thread moves in one direction, while water in the surrounding shell goes opposite.

sounds like rodin coil type of phenomena, if so then I suspect a third very weak electromagnetic field is created

If it can receive, it can emit

[MonsieurM]

Got what you need guys, found this website and it explains in details how he made his set up. W5JGV has done a great job :



ps: this experiment is a proof of concept for transforming tree as Antenna, the next step would be to turn a tree into a radiant wave collector

ok guys i know this may sound crazy but why not try using a very large Rodin Coil (i love that coil) to replace the coils he used to surround the tree (off course you'll have to find a way to get it around the tree, or just use a "skinnier" tree )



ps: if i write all this is to inspire some of you to try to experiment and in case i forget (hope it is not information overload for you, sorry in advance )

link:

A Tree Antenna for the 600 Meter Band

http://www.w7aia.org/techinfo_files/...ee_Antenna.pdf

[Farmhand]

Now that is way cool ! I might just try that.

So It will just oscillate if I adjust the capacitance ? I have two x three gang capacitors like he uses on the tree. I just bought them without knowing why. I suppose I have found something to do with them now.

http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...aps.jpg?psid=1

I also have a few pretty big tree's. And some wire.

What's the plan for a radiant collector version ? Replicate the tree antenna and see what happens I guess, maybe a light will come on and show me what to do next.

Maybe I make two identical antennae ? What will happen if the tree is struck by lightning ? I'll have to put it where I can see the show if it does get hit.

Any more idea's MonsieurM.


Cheers

[Bizzy]

power from plants

Good morning everyone
Here are two of the youtube videos on the subject of power from plants I found a while ago
Through trialand error I determined that the first video used carbon abd magnesium rods.
The second one is a crewd set up but shows that it can work.
Instead of coils around the tree as MonsiuerM suggests I wonder is a simple metal band fastened 360 degrees around the tree wold work better. Just a thought.

As far as tree selection like i said I found solitaire high trees work better.
I am fortunate to have a ten acre hunting camp not far from my house so i can pick and chose the tree i use
Enjoy

Bizzy

YouTube - ‪ELECTRICITY FROM THE EARTH‬‏

YouTube - ‪free tree power‬‏

[MonsieurM]

Guys, I want you to know that i truly appreciate your efforts and interest.

Now that is way cool ! I might just try that.

So It will just oscillate if I adjust the capacitance ? I have two x three gang capacitors like he uses on the tree. I just bought them without knowing why. I suppose I have found something to do with them now.

....Cheers

I am not much of a believer in chance, they were meant to be bought by you

As for how i interpret the experiment, it all evolves around creating a zone of activation, or "matching resonance", synchronized oscillation if you prefer and it seems to require time (ref the links below)

if you read the following posts you'll understand what i mean by zone of activation:

http://www.energeticforum.com/135946-post17.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/136257-post20.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/136258-post21.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/136338-post22.html


Common thread is water, try to find it in each exp (sort of "where is waldo" kind of game )

Cheers

[MonsieurM]

you could also try to get inspired by the experiments, i posted previously. Take one set up and apply it to your plant.

vortex/spiral/ helix shape antenna is also used in Tszyan KAN'CHZHEN: Microwave Transfer of Biological Information experiment and also Otto MOHR Detonator Ray experiment (scifi )(post#37 of a better way to present periodic table).

The cone-shaped antenna on top gathers the sun’s magnetic force which has transformed inside the instrument to motivated vibratory currents. Otto MOHR Detonator Ray

one more argument to add goes as follow:

More on Why Tree Trunks Spiral

When I worked for NOM 's Environmental Research Labs in Boulder, we were once asked why lightning sometimes spirals down the trunk of a tree. While the answer was not proven, we observed that the path of least resistance might follow the spiral grain of the wood. I eventually found a tree with a spiral lightning mark and it followed the spiral grain exactly. One tree, of course, proves nothing.

link:

More on Why Tree Trunks Spiral, Alaska Science Forum

Thus the tree is your helix antenna

Enjoy

link to know more about helix antenna: (you'll find docs i posted on helix antenna)

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...nsmission.html

[MonsieurM]

I would just like to add:

this is an open source project, so abide by the open source protocol and share your findings, please.

[MonsieurM]

a fractal tree:




Your 3D Fractal Antenna provided by Nature

Cauliflower





more on fractal antenna:

http://www.energeticforum.com/psychi...tml#post141953

[Slider2732]

Thanks for all that info !
Although mainly concerning ambient reception, I think i'll go for a raised spiral pancake coil, similar to conventional Tesla towers. In own experiments with Bashar/Russell coilings, they work very effectively instead of purely flat for energy transmission.
I wonder if naturally occurring base of tree life accentuates tree properties. Maybe mushrooms or whatever though in a way I hope not, if the phrase became 'the magic is in the mushrooms'. Rings of mushrooms have always intrigued as to the reasons why.
With intending to build my own 27MHz R/C circuits as a project, this could link in very well. Imagine a 'ringer' circuit, where the radio signal is sent out by one tree, the aircraft/car uses the signal, but the majority is captured by another tree and returned to the transmitter. Hmmm
That relates to thoughts on live call-in radio shows. Station transmits, radio receives miles away and the radio is powered by mains electricity, person calls in using a plugged to the wall house phone and in one way of thinking there is a loop.

[MonsieurM]

This may answer your question about root and tree selection:

This works best with large limbs, and does not work at all with twigs. Spiral grain is evident in trunks, limbs, and roots.

Two types of observations suggest that tree growth form is genetically determined. First, growth forms are restricted within a species: limber pine grows straight or sinistrally; ponderosa pine, subalpine fir, and Engelmann spruce grow straight or dextrally. Second, the growth forms are intermixed in a stand. A sinistral limber pine can be surrounded by limber pines growing straight; the intermixing of growth forms in a stand suggests that the variation is not environmentally determined.

I noticed that spiral trees were rare in the area around Long Lake, but they were common near tree line on Mount Audubon. This pattern is repeated in other areas, and appears to be common on the eastern slope of the Front Range. In general, spiral trees are rare in deep forests and valleys, and are most common on windy ridges and at tree line.

Untitled Document

info on root growth:



http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Pag...s/root-typ.gif

[Slider2732]

So, if a couple of presumptions are made, there would seem to be clear reasons for the structure of each species. I know most is obvious to anyone more familiar with our foliaged friends, but when relating to energy usage it's all new to me at least.
I know how a tree works, but, again it may only be part of the whole picture and as far as science considered it to be a full working picture model...so they didn't look at other factors.

Those trees within woods must 'work' differently to those on the outskirt edges or on the windy ridges.
Do they all collect a similar amount of energy ? that's one of the biggest questions I have.
Do some not need much more, or to use much more, than is given by photosynthesis ? What function does the energy collection actually have for the tree itself ?
Could it be, that the energy is in fact not used by the tree, but by microbes and bacteria around and in the tree that keep it healthy ?

An interesting observation from your last post, is that it would give an inverse to the expected model. That is, if the spiral trees were most efficient and if the energy reception was a fairly linear constant for all trees - the spiral trees are on the wrong side !

[MonsieurM]

Good morning everyone
Here are two of the youtube videos on the subject of power from plants I found a while ago
Through trialand error I determined that the first video used carbon abd magnesium rods.
The second one is a crewd set up but shows that it can work.
Instead of coils around the tree as MonsiuerM suggests I wonder is a simple metal band fastened 360 degrees around the tree wold work better. Just a thought.

As far as tree selection like i said I found solitaire high trees work better.
I am fortunate to have a ten acre hunting camp not far from my house so i can pick and chose the tree i use
Enjoy

Bizzy

YouTube - ‪ELECTRICITY FROM THE EARTH‬‏

YouTube - ‪free tree power‬‏

Great Vidz Bizzy, Thanks

the second vid (the one with the tree) intrigued me, I wonder if the nails were placed North South/ Eat West, you would not see a difference.

[Bizzy]

Great Vidz Bizzy, Thanks

the second vid (the one with the tree) intrigued me, I wonder if the nails were placed North South/ Eat West, you would not see a difference.

MonsieurM
You are most welcome...as a far as which sides the video doesnt say. And during my limited tests I did try N S E W on a couple of trees and found no differance in volatge

Actually a thought just occured to . I did these tests long before I made my first joule thief, I now wonder if they were put in a series to increase voltage if they would be strong enough to run LEDs through a joule thief.
That may be another great concept to explore.
Bizzy

[MonsieurM]

An interesting observation from your last post, is that it would give an inverse to the expected model. That is, if the spiral trees were most efficient and if the energy reception was a fairly linear constant for all trees - the spiral trees are on the wrong side !

You are quite right, I would personally favor the tap root tree, because of its foliage and deep roots, you have to remember that the basic construct of nature is the fractal architecture, so it goes to say that the bigger the foliage (ie:fractally patterned leaf) the better the reception.

what i was trying to show is that helix architecture is at basis of how tree grows.

Did you also think about the presence of a body of water close to the tree. If as i said previously water is your coil, the proximity of a larger coil (ie: the lac) all the tree would need is to resonate with the lac, nature does not like to waste energy.

Actually, if i follow what i just wrote; i guess then spirally trees are the way to go, because they have coiled in order to capture more "energy". (A simple analogy would be to think of the spirally trees as less lazy then the ones close to a large body of water)

maybe

ps: Just imagine the tree as a large column of coiled water, this may help in your experimentation. You also have to think a tree as a helix antenna that wants to capture as much "radiant energy"/"ambient energy" as it can. a sort of adaptive antenna.