Trees as radiant energy collector

[Slider2732]

Yes indeed...probably showcasing rather neatly from myself about why presumptions are never a good idea with this energy
But I was surprised about the spiral architecture.

We know that exciter circuits work well with water and about the bridge effects between bodies (those videos were wonderful, showed my wife those and she was equally impressed...erm resonating the emotions of wonder maybe).
A coil made of water appeals as an idea
If water was pumped, at the resonant frequency of the tree, in a spiral pattern at the base of the trunk, could it be imagined that energy would literally flow ?
It would be somewhat analogous to a battery circuit.

[MonsieurM]

You have to completely change the way you see your plant/tree, (new referential), from the words of Walter Russell, stop looking at the effect but explore the cause.

If water was pumped, at the resonant frequency of the tree, in a spiral pattern at the base of the trunk, could it be imagined that energy would literally flow ?
It would be somewhat analogous to a battery circuit.

Only by experimenting will we be able to tell

Experience is made before the law is formulated, both are related like cause an effect. Nicholas Tesla

[MonsieurM]

Floating water bridge / spiral flow visualisation

YouTube - ‪Floating water bridge / spiral flow visualisation‬‏


Remember what the constructal law says (applies for trees and water as well)

The constructal law puts forth the idea that the generation of design (configuration, pattern, geometry) in nature is a physics phenomenon that unites all animate and inanimate systems, and that this phenomenon is covered by the Constructal Law stated by Adrian Bejan in 1996: "For a finite-size (flow) system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve such that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it."

[Slider2732]

Yes I agree
Brute force to give way to resonance and harmony of the created function. An extra to the natural process, a sidestep not a lump hammer.

Personally, I have great reservations about conventional batteries in any case
The whole concept of a return to the negative of a battery...just seems plain wrong.
it is my contention, that the load creates a draw, which the battery supplies. Within the load circuit, the energy is dissipated following conventional logic, but nothing returns per se to the negative terminal.
It's like the whole aircraft wing lift mis-theory, of air splitting at the leading edge and recombining with the same air mass at the rear. Pressure differential is the thing there. having built a successful micro model of a Custer wingless aircraft myself (in flight on my YouTube channel). It's the speed of the air, not the airspeed.
The flow of anything around from + to - would indicate the battery knows the demands of the circuit in advance and is receiving energy that it put forth ! How else would it be able to 'sense' the load that the first energies must traverse ?
However, I can never understand Flash memory cards and how they latch the data

[MonsieurM]

Slider2732, I hope you're sitting down, because i found the proof that water is definitely your coil (keep in mind the Floating water bridge / spiral flow visualisation experiment):

And it comes from an great Inventor

James H. ROGERS

Underground & Underwater Radio

The Rogers laboratory, which comprises several large rooms, is lined on all sides with glass cabinets containing electrical apparatus which he has invented from time to time through his studious career. A novel and original high frequency generator was another of the devices that greatly interested the writer. It employed a jet of water shunted by a large capacity, the stream of water being connected to a high potential source of direct current. High frequency currents of any range up to the limit of audibility, or about 30,000 cycles per second, could be readily obtained with this apparatus.

Remember what i wrote earlier in my posting

http://www.energeticforum.com/142121-post26.html

Spiral grain is evident in trunks, limbs, and roots.

then read what follows: from the same article

As pointed out in the original article on the Rogers underground system in the March issue, very promising results have been obtained in transmitting with the underground antenna, and Fig. 8 shows how a small transmitting set was operated with such an aerial, coupling the exciting or spark gap circuit with the antenna oscillatory circuit by means of a two-coil oscillatory transformer, L, C. In this case two metal plates, about one yard square, are placed in the earth adjacent to the well, one of which connects with the secondary, S, of the oscillation transformer, while the other plate connects with the free end of the spiral antenna.
If the spiral antenna is used, it should be placed on its vertical axis, and it should be placed in the vertical placed in the vertical plane as shown as shown in Figs. 7 and 8. Excellent results have been had should be obtained in transmitting with the underground antenna, with the usual insulation incident to the form of conductors above specified, where the transmitting set is one employing an audion oscillation generator

Note: When reading the article, keep also in mind the fractal/constructal properties of nature (meaning all its elements are "natural" antennas, and this article will look definitely easier to understand)

link:



James H. Rogers: Underground & Underwater Radio Antenna

Now comes along Mr Jones with his new invention, showing us how to use a concentrated underground aerial that all of s can use in every city without any trouble whatsoever.
...One sleepless night visions began to parade before my half-conscious vision and amongst the crowd was a coil of wire rolling merrily along --- Ah! The problem was solved…

In the morning I went forth with vim and vigor to plant some coils in old Mother Earth. Finding labor scarce decided to throw them into the lake for a trial. Ouch! Then the fun began. Now to get back to business we will begin with the first experiment carried out at this lake, in order to prove my sanity.

Experiments were carried out with large square framed coils ( 200 feet to the turn, or 50 to each side of the square ) laid on the ground. This was tried for long wave undamped reception and exceptional results were had when the ground was wet, immediately after a good rain, for then the wires were practically buried. However, when the ground dried out, the signals vanished and were not received with a readable audibility. It was only necessary to have these coils buried in moist earth and excellent results have been obtained. Receiving on underground from short wavelengths with long outstretched wires demands a critical length of the wire. However on a loop or concentrated open ended coil such as mine, the length does not materially affect such reception until the length exceeds 500 feet to the coil.

ps: the water is present everywhere in one form or another, even deep inside the earth and the moon (according to NASA)...

Water appears to be one of the most abundant molecules in the Universe. It dominates the environment of the Earth and is a main constituent of numerous planets, moons and comets. On a far greater scale it possibly contributes to the so-called "missing mass" of the Universe and may initiate the birth of stars inside the giant molecular clouds. This paper gives a brief description of water and ice environments with an emphasis on their possible origin and subsequent development in the Solar System. Expanding the scope of hydrology to cover phenomena encountered on other celestial bodies is postulated and discussed.

WATER IN THE UNIVERSE

The Paper

...Guess what? A tree has aerial and ground Antenna best of both worlds

Small reminder of Tesla's Set up:



Cheers

[MonsieurM]

From the article:

This apparatus was connected up to one of Mr Rogers’ latest buried antennas --- a single rubber-covered, stranded copper cable, extending westward for a distance of 4,000 feet, so as to be in a plane with the high-power European radio stations. This cable is encased in iron pipe (gas pipe), each 20-foot section of which is insulated from the abutting sections by means of a rubber hose (garden hose) slipped over the pipe ends for a few inches. This is buried in a dirt trench about 3 feet deep, filled in with soil. The cable is insulated at the free end and is connected up as in Fig. 2. The rubber covered wire alone has been used in all sub-aqueous tests, and gives fine results when simply buried in the ground, the decay not being so rapid as probably would be imagined. This latest aerial in the iron pipes is a new development and experiments are still going on with it. It works wonderfully well. The 4,000 foot aerial here described is best suited to receiving radio lengths of 6,000 to 16,000 meters. For shorter wavelengths aerials of smaller dimensions are employed.

Doesn't it resemble the root of a tree:

Tree roots possess an apical meristem (meristematic tissue found at the tip) that is protected by a root cap. The root cap sloughs off its oldest tissues to provide lubrication as the root is pushed through the soil. As the apical meristem grows, it cuts off new cells through cell division, and a zone of elongation is formed directly behind it. In this area, the new cells are enlarging and differentiating into specialized root tissue.

The rate of root growth is quite variable throughout a growing season. Roots usually begin to grow before the tree top does, although root growth is cyclic and responds to environmental changes such as soil depth, water supply, aeration, mineral supply, and temperature.

one more info:

a single rubber-covered, stranded copper cable, extending westward for a distance of 4,000 feet,

As is well known, the Rogers system with its lengthy wires stretching in all directions cannot be employed by the Amateurs of today. Take, for instance, reception of long wavelengths where a stretch of 2000 feet is required. This would mean that the Amateur would have to dig under fences, etc, for three city blocks in each direction --- impossible --- and worse than that. This state of affairs bothered me constantly and I was determined to find some possible solution for this impractical method….

the answer to that is as follows:

Fractal Antennas: A Novel Miniaturization
Technique for Wireless Communications

Wireless applications, particularly with multiple
resonances, put new demands on antennas pertaining to size, gain,
efficiency, bandwidth, and more. One promising approach in this
regard is to use fractal geometries to find the best distribution of
currents within a volume to meet a particular design goal. In the
miniaturization of wire antennas it has been found that the
electromagnetic coupling between wire angles limits the reduction
of the resonant frequency with increasing wire length. Recent
efforts by several researchers around the world to combine fractal
geometry with electromagnetic theory have led to an emergence of
new and innovative antenna designs. Unique properties of fractals
have been exploited to develop a new class of antenna-element
designs that are multi-band and compact in size and have been
shown to possess several highly desirable properties, including
multi-band performance, low sidelobe levels, and its ability to
develop rapid beamforming algorithms based on the recursive
nature of fractals. The purpose of this paper is to introduce the
concept of the fractals and to provide a study and implementation
of rapidly growing field of fractal antenna engineering including
recent developments. The simulated results for Koch fractal
antenna using AWAS and NEC are also provided.

your underground fractal/constructal antenna:



links:

http://www.academypublisher.com/ijrt...0205172176.pdf
ISUE - Tree Roots

[MonsieurM]

After reviewing what i posted, i think Slider2732's idea:

If water was pumped, at the resonant frequency of the tree, in a spiral pattern at the base of the trunk, could it be imagined that energy would literally flow ?
It would be somewhat analogous to a battery circuit.

Is actually Genius, but you'll need to combine it with Rogers Apparatus

A novel and original high frequency generator was another of the devices that greatly interested the writer. It employed a jet of water shunted by a large capacity, the stream of water being connected to a high potential source of direct current. High frequency currents of any range up to the limit of audibility, or about 30,000 cycles per second, could be readily obtained with this apparatus.

then the coil in the tree (ie:water) will resonate along the water pump/frequency generator.

...and you have your antenna

let me know what you think

[MonsieurM]

Just a thought, If some of you work this out, try to contact each other through your respective tree/constructal antenna. A sort of "Gaya Network", I like the sound of that

ps: use video when that happens, i hope....good luck to y'all....

my brain starting to go into overdrive...

[MonsieurM]

ps: to motivate some of you, think of it as saving trees by giving them a new function....also one positive side effect would be electroculture (see http://www.energeticforum.com/141979-post7.html )

YouTube - ‪National Geographic Channel - IF. Live curious.‬‏

[MonsieurM]

Tree_Anatomy

Conducting tissues seldom run straight along a tree stem; usually they are arranged in a helical or spiral pattern, sometimes called the spiral grain of a tree. The angle of the spiral arrangement usually changes from year to year; the path of water up a tree stem may therefore be very complicated if more than one growth layer acts as a conducting tissue

as i said adaptive antenna

spiral grain (botany) -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

[Slider2732]

Thanks for your kind words about the water coil method
Fractal antennas and load dependent automatic tuning lengths are of great interest. Dynamic Interactive Energy Coherance might be the term for such work. The acronym could however be pronounced DICEY !

Thinking about this and, while we seem to be chatting bereft of others at the moment, here's my nature principle, relating especially to deciduous trees.
New vs old.
New is a qualitative consideration that the mind perceives, that relates to function and relates to the natural conditioning of all matter creations in the universe.
A star shines brightly, decays, dies, becomes non existent. Is anything lost ? With nothing there to begin with, the time length of decay becomes the life energy force of that star. The matter consumed by the burning of the star is translated, redirected, transformed into light and heat. What was the use of the star having ever existed ?...now there's the question.
Everything created starts out as new. Time dictates erosion, decay and ultimately that non existence again.
Seats in a showroom car will smell new, look new, feel new to the posterior. No matter how well cared for over the career of the vehicle, those seats will never attain the state of new again.
Are all things created and then slowly decay...pretty much.
But, we do have exceptions.
One, is the deciduous tree.
During growth of the tree, we find that the leaves are new in the spring, mature over the summer and decay to non existence in the autumn. During winter, there is no trace of the previous leaves. A standard model of birth, growth during decay. However, spring arrives again and new takes effect again ! The buds appear, the new leaf grows and the cycle continues. Likewise, the roots are forming their fresh and new apical meristems, dynamically retuning the ever new state of the tree.
In such a way, the energies collected and emitted are fresh, altering continuously.
A tree has a slow, peaceful, harmonizing waveform..such a waveform extends into realms of life-time that other life cannot attain.
Other matter has quick, sharp, radical swings of power energy of shorter duration but increased energy output. Decay is sharp, often limited by externally imposed measures upon that decay. Til the last drop can be wrung from it, the decay marches on.
Both are suited to their tasks, but ultimately, in terms of energy harmonizing efficiency, the tree shines out as the star.

I believe we should not look at extracting and using such an energy with sledge hammer approaches, but to balance with it, work with it and derive a surplus through that balance.

[MonsieurM]

Amen

Nature does not like to waste Energies, she is The Uber-Recycler

The universe is nothing more than a Giant Ecosystem within wich other ecosystem exist within which other ecosystem exist within which other ecosystem exist,and so on and on just like the golden mean helix ( we exist in a fractal/Constructal universe within a constructal multiverse) .
something like that



from my post:

http://www.energeticforum.com/psychi...tml#post141602

"For a system to persist in time (to live), its configuration must evolve such that it provides easier access to the imposed currents that flow through it."

Not being a surfer, but the words fit:

the Great One created waves so they can be surfed

hope this helps you understand my point of view and how to harness such energy, now back to practical things

[MonsieurM]

If that is ok, I would like to quote Tehnoman , he has posted an interesting set of information which could help finetune the experiment of turning a tree into an Antenna.

Hello all.

Has been a long time since I have started a new thread. But now I feel it is time again. The reason is because quite recently I restarted more intense search into K.Meyl experiment and possible explanations. During the search I stumbled across one site, which I was not aware before:
Andre Waser publications

The most interesting could be these:
Nikola Tesla Wireless systems
Nikola Tesla Radiation and Cosmic rays

In the first one there is also this reference to document [47] (which I have not been able to find anywhere, Andre himself hasn't responded to my e-mail message) about analysis of Meyl experiment. The conclusion seemed to be that it can be explained by present (conventional, call it as You wish) high frequency analysis.

His papers seem reasonable, I haven't found any reason to doubt them. Then maybe there is this thing that science has given the chance for Tesla technology, but it simple doesn't destroy our present knowledge about nature?

There is this thing to think about.

P.S. I do anticipate that his thread will die out due to lack of knowledge for most people about vectors and mathematics behind the descriptions.

link to thread:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...esla-work.html

[MonsieurM]

one more info/clue that water is definitely your coil:

I would like you to compare the following pictures, and i'll let you come to your own conclusion






more on this:

http://www.energeticforum.com/new-me...tml#post136257

[MonsieurM]

Side note:

If you are able to reproduce this:

The Rogers laboratory, which comprises several large rooms, is lined on all sides with glass cabinets containing electrical apparatus which he has invented from time to time through his studious career. A novel and original high frequency generator was another of the devices that greatly interested the writer. It employed a jet of water shunted by a large capacity, the stream of water being connected to a high potential source of direct current. High frequency currents of any range up to the limit of audibility, or about 30,000 cycles per second, could be readily obtained with this apparatus.

You'll be able to do this:

Peculiar discoveries attend his researches. For one experiment, he placed a copper electrode in a flask through which high-frequency current was conducted to a liquid. The liquid vaporized and passed through a second flask into a graduate, where it condensed. A quantity of metallic copper collected at the bottom. No heat had been generated, yet somehow the metal was transmuted through vapor and condensed again. On another occasion, he distilled and treated a quantity of carbon tetrachloride, which ordinarily will not burn. Yet after bombarding it with ultra-short waves, it became highly inflammable.

Reminder: just to show you that water is present everywhere

Water appears to be one of the most abundant molecules in the Universe. It dominates the environment of the Earth and is a main constituent of numerous planets, moons and comets. On a far greater scale it possibly contributes to the so-called "missing mass" of the Universe and may initiate the birth of stars inside the giant molecular clouds. This paper gives a brief description of water and ice environments with an emphasis on their possible origin and subsequent development in the Solar System. Expanding the scope of hydrology to cover phenomena encountered on other celestial bodies is postulated and discussed.

WATER IN THE UNIVERSE

The Paper



I found this document, which i think is authored by Nicolas Tesla, I have uploaded it, so as you can have access to it

Quite different conditions exist in my system in which the electromagnetic waves or radiations are designedly minimized. the connection of one of, the terminals of the transmitting circuit to the ground having, itself, the effect of reducing the energy of these radiations to about one-half, Under observance of 'proper rules and artifices the distance is of little or no consequence, and by skillful application of the principle of "individualization," repeatedly referred to the messages may be rendered both non-interfering and non-interferable. This invention, which I have described in technical publications, attempts to imitate, in a very crude way, the nervous system in the human body

...I conclude that the invention wilt permit the simultaneous transmission of several millions of separately distinguishable messages through the earth, which, strangely enough, is in this respect much superior to an artificial conductor.' Nicolas Tesla

a while back i wrote this in a post on fractal antenna:

I think that Tesla was the first to realize the Constructal/ fractal properties of Nature and was able to use that in order to make a fractal antenna out of whatever he wished and to tap into the scalar waves as well. Some think that Scalar waves travel at the speed of thought (which is of course instantaneous), maybe it is and if so, then Scalar waves and "telepathy wave" are likely to be one and the same. Which leads me back to the title of this thread: The Brain is an Advanced Fractal Antenna.

Frontiers | Fractals in the nervous system: conceptual implications for theoretical neuroscience | Frontiers in Fractal Physiology

This essay is presented with two principal objectives in mind: first, to document the prevalence of fractals at all levels of the nervous system, giving credence to the notion of their functional relevance; and second, to draw attention to the as yet still unresolved issues of the detailed relationships among power-law scaling, self-similarity, and self-organized criticality. As regards criticality, I will document that it has become a pivotal reference point in Neurodynamics. Furthermore, I will emphasize the not yet fully appreciated significance of allometric control processes. For dynamic fractals, I will assemble reasons for attributing to them the capacity to adapt task execution to contextual changes across a range of scales. The final Section consists of general reflections on the implications of the reviewed data, and identifies what appear to be issues of fundamental importance for future research in the rapidly evolving topic of this review.

I'm glad this document confirms my theory

http://www.energeticforum.com/141831-post9.html

http://www.energeticforum.com/142326-post57.html

links:


James H. Rogers: Underground & Underwater Radio Antenna

Francis E. WILKINSON -- High Frequency Transformations