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  • #76
    You maybe right, if we go by the precept That a tree (as is water) is an adaptive antenna, they would adapt as a whole to reach a "resonant equilibrium". So it is normal for us not to see the grid and just see a "chaotic forest", since each square inch of the soil in which the forest grows is different from the next, each tree would adapt to his "alloted" space (by spiraling etc..) to reach resonance with the rest of the forest.

    found evidence of that:

    Trees talk in w-waves

    "Grants Pass, Ore. (AP) - Physicist Ed Wagner says he has found evidence that trees talk to each other in a language he calls W-waves.

    "If you chop into a tree, you can see that adjacent trees put out an electrical pulse," said Wagner. "This indicates that they communicated directly."

    "Explaining the phenomenon, Wagner pointed to a blip on a strip chart recording of the electrical pulse.

    "It put out a tremendous cry of alarm," he said. "The adjacent trees put out smaller ones." .....

    "People have known there was communication between trees for several years, but they've explained it by the chemicals trees produce," Wagner said.

    "But I think the real communication is much quicker and more dramatic than that," he said. "These trees know within a few seconds what is happening. This is an automatic response."

    "Wagner has measured the speed of W-waves at about 3 feet per second through the air.

    "They travel much too slowly for electrical waves," he said. "They seem to be an altogether different entity. That's what makes them so intriguing. They don't seem to be electromagnetic waves at all."....

    Comment. In addition to the above discovery, Wagner, who holds a PhD in physics from the University of Tennessee, has detected electrical standing waves in trees. The voltage measured by electrodes implanted in trees goes up and down as one goes higher and higher up the trees. Wagner's work has been published in Northwest Science, but we have not yet seen it. Incidentally, electricity does seem to affect plant growth, as described in our handbook: Incredible Life.
    radiant wave anyone?

    Trees Talk In W-waves


    Another clue to what i have been saying and trying to show you all along
    remember, water and trees are fractal/constructal adaptive antennas:

    found it in the following thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ors-coils.html

    Originally posted by clueless View Post
    That from a 2002 article. Unlike so many other promising breakthroughs this is one that has been widely implemented.
    To further quote from the article: "The innovation, called Fractal Structure Circuit(TM) (FSC), uses fractalized conductor paths to replace the capacitors, inductors, and resistors in "RLC" circuits."
    And another quote: ""Virtually every electronic device uses coils and capacitors to form RLC circuits. These discrete components are arranged by tried and true rules to get the circuit to perform as needed. What we've done is ask: can a fractal pattern, with its self-capacitance and self-inductance, be used to eliminate components and still get the equivalent RLC circuit? We've found that the answer is yes; and in most uses, especially at microwave frequencies, all components can be replaced by conductive fractal patterns or 3D structures."
    And one more blurb from that article: " Looking at the Fractal Structured Circuit(TM) one sees, for example, a beautiful etched copper pattern replacing the usual traces connecting button or canned shaped capacitors and coils (or their SMT counterparts). "
    Here is the link to that article.
    Fractal Antenna Systems, Inc.
    Apparently it is in wide use in cell phones, their antennas and some microwave circuits.
    People are making homemade fractal HD antennas using coat hangers as one instance of using a common material.
    I think this feature; fractuals should be used in some builds to take advantage of a wideband of frequencies and resonance. Maybe it will be useful in the Muller/Romerouk build.
    For those that be interested google fractal circuits and fractal antennas.
    I do not have the resources/space/knowledge to do any builds at the moment but I am curious enough to verify if a HD antenna can be made simply using fractals and common materials.
    Any way something to consider.
    -RG signing off

    As I said water coil capacitor.... ; and we're surrounded by these " Fractal Structure Circuit(TM) (FSC),which uses fractalized conductor paths to replace the capacitors, inductors, and resistors in "RLC" circuits." all you have to do is find the resonance and amplify....

    WOW the Universe is just a huge electronics store ...I guess TRON was not too far off

    post#46 updated added a vid
    post#70 updated

    Last edited by MonsieurM; 06-05-2011, 01:32 PM.
    Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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    • #77
      Hi Monsieur, The tree I was looking at from a short distance is not as twisted as I thought, here is a picture anyway.

      http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...001.JPG?psid=1

      Here is a few tree's in a row the farthest one is the one above. One is an oak the other's are pine's, the pine's appear to be the same type but they have subtle difference's. I am looking for a big straight of a type that holds a lot of water but is "alone" which is not easy, I might have to cut down a couple of smaller tree's to do it. I'll use them for the fence.

      http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/...003.JPG?psid=1

      Still short on time.

      Cheers

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      • #78
        if this helps, here is a picture of pine tree roots how they develop. (good to also know how it looks like below).



        do you happen to know if there is any large body of water around your area (let's say within a 50 mile radius) (it helps if the tree is not as spirally as you would like it to be)

        to help you get started (this is an image i found online of a tesla coil antenna which i retouched)



        ps: copper was considered amongst alchemist an earthen element (always good to know )
        Last edited by MonsieurM; 06-06-2011, 11:33 AM.
        Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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        • #79
          from post #61

          and i also read the info on pesn:

          Dr. Steven E. Jones' circuit gives evidence for 8x overunity

          Retired Physics Professor, Steven E. Jones is working on a simple overunity circuit that he has seen go as high as 20 times overunity; documented on a state-of-the-art Tektronix 3032 oscilloscope at Brigham Young University producing eight times as much energy as was required to run the solid state circuit. One of his friends, Les Kraut, has replicated the circuit and also achieved eight times overunity...
          ..."I don't know where the energy is coming from, but it's coming from somewhere," he said.
          I would like you to check out the following image, it is a "google map" of Brigham Young University (marker B)...




          ...Indeed the Great Salt Lake is close by (here is your large coil)

          The magnifying transmitter is an advanced version of Tesla coil transmitter. It is a high power harmonic oscillator that Nikola Tesla intended for the wireless transmission of electrical energy.[1] In his autobiography, Tesla stated that "...I feel certain that of all my inventions, the Magnifying Transmitter will prove most important and valuable to future generations."[1] The magnifying transmitter is an air-core, multiple-resonant transformer that can generate very high voltages....
          ...In 1899, Tesla moved his research to Colorado Springs.
          click on the link to see where Colorado Springs is located:

          http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...asrivermap.jpg
          Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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          • #80
            Yes there is a Dam up here not big but it is close and it is blocking a small river, it does get low during a drought though. I am a little bit above it though maybe only 20 to 50 meters.

            I made a post in the wireless transmission thread with my idea for the generator part of a small experimental Tesla wireless transmission system.

            Cheers

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            • #81
              just finished replying to it ...

              http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post143224

              Based on my reply in the open source project:

              What if your aerial antenna was the tree, and the ground antenna the dam?...
              Last edited by MonsieurM; 06-06-2011, 12:46 PM.
              Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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              • #82
                I like to be thorough in my research so I found two set ups to obtain vortex water, all based on Viktor Schuberger Theories



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                Cheers
                Last edited by MonsieurM; 06-06-2011, 01:41 PM.
                Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
                  just finished replying to it ...

                  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post143224

                  Based on my reply in the open source project:

                  What if your aerial antenna was the tree, and the ground antenna the dam?...
                  Yes I see ! That would be a promising prospect as I am 50 meter's above the dam.

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                  • #84
                    As always, take all the safety measures so as not to harm yourself
                    Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                    • #85
                      I was searching for different variant of coils that could be used in a resonator circuit, and I found this ref in the following thread: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post136523

                      Originally posted by o541o View Post
                      If you think about it those coils are also very similar to a Caduseus coil.
                      And i went looking for some info, here is what i found:

                      The caduceus coil illustrated in Fig.1, basically consists of ordinary insulated copper wire wound in a double-helix around a ferrite core. THIS COIL HAS REPEATEDLY BEEN FOUND TO VIOLATE ESTABLISHED LAWS OF ELECTROMAGNETICS AND HERTZIAN WAVE THEORY WHEN A HIGH FREQUENCY CURRENT IS INJECTED INTO IT....
                      ....First. This apparatus has zero impedance - unlike an ordinary coil. when fed electrical energy the wire in the Tensor coil does not get hot.

                      Secondly. It has infinite resonance - unlike an ordinary coil which will resonate chiefly at its natural fundamental frequency and weakly on the second or third harmonic, the Tensor coil is capable of resonating strongly on any number of frequencies randomly spaced in the spectrum. The signal pumped into such a coil strangely enough cannot be quantified (detected) by standard RF (radio frequency) detection apparatus. Many "Ham" radio operators and electronic technicians who have used these coils, are completely baffled by them


                      Caduceus Wound Coil Experiments


                      Wilbert B. Smith: Gravity Control ~ Binding Force ~ Caduceus Coil ~ Letters ~ Circuit Diagrams

                      .The coil is said to be a single winding of insulated copper wire, about #16 or #18 gauge, wound on a ferrite core of 1" to 1-1/2" diameter, and about 9" long. The coil is caduceus wound, that is, one begins the winding in the middle of the wire’s length, winding the wire in opposite directions around the core and crossing the wires on the same opposite diameter points each time around.
                      I wonder how it would work if used in a Tesla magnifier

                      i found this info on building a A Capacitive Transformer Tesla coil:

                      This experimental device is a 4th-order multiple resonance network where the floating elements are capacitors and all the inductors are grounded. It can be interpreted as a kind of Tesla coil where the inductive transformer is replaced by a "capacitive transformer". Its schematic diagram is as shown below.

                      C1 is charged to VC1 and the switch is closed. During the resulting transient, all the energy that was in C1 is transferred to C3+C2. C3 would be not necessary for the operation of the circuit, but its presence is unavoidable and it must be taken into account. In the actual construction, C3 and C2 are distributed capacitances. C2 is the capacitance between an interrupted metal ring connected to the lumped L1 and C1, placed around the inductor L2, and the combination of L2 and a terminal mounted above it. C3 is the remaining of the capacitance of the terminal and of L2, coupled to the ground.....
                      ....The maximum voltage gain would be 9.44. It oscillates at 276 and 290 kHz and shows complete energy transfer in 10.5 cycles (36.2 µs) of the voltage in C1. C3 is 54% of the load capacitance. The directly coupled system has a maximum gain of 9.53, but it operates in mode 9:10, with about twice faster energy transfer, having so better efficiency because with less cycles less energy is lost before being transferred.






                      A capacitive transformer Tesla coil

                      A transformerless Tesla coil
                      Last edited by MonsieurM; 06-08-2011, 12:37 AM.
                      Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                      • #86

                        I have about a dozen neon sign transformers. Some guy brought them to me about a year ago thinking I might want them..and at the time couldn't see a use. FESSCO DP120R8240/H. Apparently they are dimmable, reading the notes on the side of one right now. Which, means to me, that they are experiment devices hehe.
                        So, we could build a Caduseus coil around a tree trunk, which would then passively resonate (and hopefully amplify) the natural capilliary action frequency of the tree..the flowing current as it were). Then run a water tube primary coil on the outside of that, supplied with the voltage generated by the neon sign transformer for a skin effect within the water. Water also being excellent for transmission of wireless energies as noted earlier in the thread. Produced from the Caduceus coil are the now huge potentials of the interaction and at the tips of several tree branches we fit radiant energy Russell/Bashar energizer coils. One half of all twin pair inverted coils go to Ground, the other half of each collect the energies from the powering system.
                        If all tip coils focused to a beam, then i'd at least stand very very far back at switch on

                        No idea if any of that has merit, but these systems are starting to make at least experimental ideas flow.

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                        • #87
                          Keep those wonderful Ideas coming...I know we are unto something here, I have started teaching myself how to build a circuit and these coils, I have a potted palm tree I want to test it on...

                          (i know not the best choice for a tree but this is all i have right now worth testing on)


                          one more remark i would add, considering that the tree is a coil, so that makes it a coil inside a Caduceus coil, here is what i found on coil inside coil design:


                          Coil in Coil Design:

                          b).
                          A further advantage of the coil-in-coil design is that the trigger field and self
                          field have the same direction and their values add up directly
                          , whereas in the tube in-
                          coil design both fields are perpendicular to each other.
                          http://ewh.ieee.org/tc/csc/europe/ne...al2_011108.pdf

                          so you end up with a triple coil design if you count the water coil, should expect some very surprising effect...

                          also, although i cannot give you a ref for this (just have to look at some of his last coil transmitters), but it seems that Tesla also really liked to use the coil in coil design



                          awesome job and inspiring
                          Last edited by MonsieurM; 06-08-2011, 09:58 AM.
                          Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                          • #88
                            The Soliton Pulses Generator experiment JLN Labs (good simulation if you consider the carboard tube as the bark of the tree, and your ferrite core as the water and minerales circulating inside the tree in a fractal manner ,add to it the coil function of the tree,and you should end up with some very Funky (in a good way) results compared to the results seen in this experiment, theoretically... for now... )

                            On November 1997, I have built and tested sucessfully a Scalar Waves Transmitter1 based on caduceus wound coil, this device has shown some very interesting features concerning the transmission of these waves through a shielded and grounded box. Recently a french friend, Jean-Michel Cour, has proposed me to conduct a new interesting experiment2 in this field of researches. So, today, I have decided to re-open the tests of this weird caduceus coil.


                            The Soliton Pulses Generator experiment by Jean-Louis Naudin



                            Last edited by MonsieurM; 06-07-2011, 09:51 PM.
                            Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                            • #89
                              I forgot to add one remark, we have been discussing thus far trees as radiant antenna, while it just dawned on me that we already have a rough mock up of a tree in the Tesla coil :






                              Trees talk in w-waves

                              "Grants Pass, Ore. (AP) - Physicist Ed Wagner says he has found evidence that trees talk to each other in a language he calls W-waves.

                              "If you chop into a tree, you can see that adjacent trees put out an electrical pulse," said Wagner. "This indicates that they communicated directly."

                              "Explaining the phenomenon, Wagner pointed to a blip on a strip chart recording of the electrical pulse.

                              "It put out a tremendous cry of alarm," he said. "The adjacent trees put out smaller ones." .....

                              "People have known there was communication between trees for several years, but they've explained it by the chemicals trees produce," Wagner said.

                              "But I think the real communication is much quicker and more dramatic than that," he said. "These trees know within a few seconds what is happening. This is an automatic response."

                              "Wagner has measured the speed of W-waves at about 3 feet per second through the air.

                              "They travel much too slowly for electrical waves," he said. "They seem to be an altogether different entity. That's what makes them so intriguing. They don't seem to be electromagnetic waves at all."....

                              Comment. In addition to the above discovery, Wagner, who holds a PhD in physics from the University of Tennessee, has detected electrical standing waves in trees. The voltage measured by electrodes implanted in trees goes up and down as one goes higher and higher up the trees. Wagner's work has been published in Northwest Science, but we have not yet seen it. Incidentally, electricity does seem to affect plant growth, as described in our handbook: Incredible Life.
                              radiant wave anyone?

                              Trees Talk In W-waves


                              So I think that it would be useful to test the ideas i presented you with on a small scale (ie: tesla coil)

                              I just watch the interview of Tesla and he does mention that his set up was not perfect yet (i think if he knew, he would say not fractal enough)

                              Originally posted by vidbid View Post
                              YouTube Video: An interview with Nikola Tesla, set in 1904 after the Wardenclyffe failure.
                              This is from a movie about Tesla.


                              YouTube Video: Tesla's Wireless Power Transmission Demonstration
                              The fellow in this video seems like a moron, but it's actually a pretty good video.



                              YouTube Video: Eric Dollard & Peter Lindemann on Tesla's Longitudinal Electricity
                              George O. SQUIER

                              Tree Antennas





                              a diagrammatic view of a preferred form of an arrangement of transmission sets embodying my invention.



                              link:
                              http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ansmitter.html
                              Last edited by MonsieurM; 06-17-2011, 02:41 PM.
                              Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Slider2732 View Post
                                Thanks for your kind words about the water coil method
                                Fractal antennas and load dependent automatic tuning lengths are of great interest. Dynamic Interactive Energy Coherance might be the term for such work. The acronym could however be pronounced DICEY !

                                Thinking about this and, while we seem to be chatting bereft of others at the moment, here's my nature principle, relating especially to deciduous trees.
                                New vs old.
                                New is a qualitative consideration that the mind perceives, that relates to function and relates to the natural conditioning of all matter creations in the universe.
                                A star shines brightly, decays, dies, becomes non existent. Is anything lost ? With nothing there to begin with, the time length of decay becomes the life energy force of that star. The matter consumed by the burning of the star is translated, redirected, transformed into light and heat. What was the use of the star having ever existed ?...now there's the question.
                                Everything created starts out as new. Time dictates erosion, decay and ultimately that non existence again.
                                Seats in a showroom car will smell new, look new, feel new to the posterior. No matter how well cared for over the career of the vehicle, those seats will never attain the state of new again.
                                Are all things created and then slowly decay...pretty much.
                                But, we do have exceptions.
                                One, is the deciduous tree.
                                During growth of the tree, we find that the leaves are new in the spring, mature over the summer and decay to non existence in the autumn. During winter, there is no trace of the previous leaves. A standard model of birth, growth during decay. However, spring arrives again and new takes effect again ! The buds appear, the new leaf grows and the cycle continues. Likewise, the roots are forming their fresh and new apical meristems, dynamically retuning the ever new state of the tree.
                                In such a way, the energies collected and emitted are fresh, altering continuously.
                                A tree has a slow, peaceful, harmonizing waveform..such a waveform extends into realms of life-time that other life cannot attain.
                                Other matter has quick, sharp, radical swings of power energy of shorter duration but increased energy output. Decay is sharp, often limited by externally imposed measures upon that decay. Til the last drop can be wrung from it, the decay marches on.
                                Both are suited to their tasks, but ultimately, in terms of energy harmonizing efficiency, the tree shines out as the star.

                                I believe we should not look at extracting and using such an energy with sledge hammer approaches, but to balance with it, work with it and derive a surplus through that balance.

                                I found a link that might interest you:



                                THE FRACTAL TREE: A SIMPLE MODEL OF ALL CREATION

                                Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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