Dr. Steven E. Jones JT Variation

[quantumuppercut]

I was wounding coils yesterday to simulate the Romero's dynamo solid state. Then I realized it's an embedded magnet joule thief. lol I forgot the coils at my work place, have to bring it back tonight. Seems like what you're doing and RUK and magnacoaster and others are doing is playing around with negative inductance. It does make sense to me.

[NickZ]

Guys:
It's almost August and there is still no idea if the two or more devices sent to Steven to test are working as was thought, that is 8x OU.
How many months or years is this going to take? The replications that have been made so far have discharged enough batteries to KNOW that there is no OU. Nor will there be any. Dr. Stiffler has already mentioned as to the impossibility of this EVER happening. Thank you Dr. Stiffler.
The most we can expect is that the devices are self-charging the battery, at best. Both scopes and multi-meters are being fooled by this backward Jtc. And the math does not compute,EITHER, as has been mentioned also.


But, if anyone has a Jtc that is not draining its battery, AT ALL, I'd certainly like to hear about it. As Dr. Stiffler has also mentioned that although this is an interesting thread, but, It has not been going anywhere. Or has it?

I personally do believe that it is possible for these devices to convert Aether from the air surrounding the device into electricity, and run until the components fail... And I'm hoping to be able to prove it. In the meantime, you will all find that there can't be such a thing as overunity, as not only is the name a misnomer, but so is the whole idea behind it... So, how much longer is this going to take for ALL to realize and agree on it??? As well as come up with a real device that does uses a CONVERSION process to run, and not just in the Micro-volt range???

[lamare]

Guys:
It's almost August and there is still no idea if the two or more devices sent to Steven to test are working as was thought, that is 8x OU.
How many months or years is this going to take? The replications that have been made so far have discharged enough batteries to KNOW that there is no OU. Nor will there be any. Dr. Stiffler has already mentioned as to the impossibility of this EVER happening. Thank you Dr. Stiffler.
The most we can expect is that the devices are self-charging the battery, at best. Both scopes and multi-meters are being fooled by this backward Jtc. And the math does not compute,EITHER, as has been mentioned also.


But, if anyone has a Jtc that is not draining its battery, AT ALL, I'd certainly like to hear about it. As Dr. Stiffler has also mentioned that although this is an interesting thread, but, It has not been going anywhere. Or has it?

I personally do believe that it is possible for these devices to convert Aether from the air surrounding the device into electricity, and run until the components fail... And I'm hoping to be able to prove it. In the meantime, you will all find that there can't be such a thing as overunity, as not only is the name a misnomer, but so is the whole idea behind it... So, how much longer is this going to take for ALL to realize and agree on it??? As well as come up with a real device that does uses a CONVERSION process to run, and not just in the Micro-volt range???

If you believe in the possibility of converting ZPE to electricity using higher order resonance and are looking for some new idea's to play with, you may want to check out my posts on the latest pages on the SEC / JT variations thread.

I think we are going in the right direction there, but that is just my opinion, of course...

Update: some direct links. Posted the above from my mobile:

The basic idea: one tapped coil, driven by a Hartley oscillator:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post147952

Why it should deliver current and not high voltage:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post148162

The error in the original design and why you want to avoid radiation:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post148213

The essentials of Tesla's magnifying transmitter and why it's not supposed to transmit energy trough the air:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post148222

The basic idea of how to convert ZPE into useable energy:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post148231

Why I like a single wound coil better than a transformer kind of setup:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post148299

So, lot's of stuff to consider and experiment with...

[NickZ]

lamare:
I'll check the thread out, thanks for mentioning it.

@ All: If we are going to get anywhere with these projects we have to use correct logic, and not waist more time on useless mind warps.
Everything comes from the Aether, as well as returning to it, if you look at the whole picture. Tesla mentioned it, over and over again, as well as many others. What more do we need before really pursuing the idea of tapping this unlimited natural resource???
Or, we can go on paying for higher and higher Electric Bills, and playing THEIR GAME.
NickZ

[ltseung888]

The solution is staring at us - multiple LCR resonance

Guys:
It's almost August and there is still no idea if the two or more devices sent to Steven to test are working as was thought, that is 8x OU.
How many months or years is this going to take? The replications that have been made so far have discharged enough batteries to KNOW that there is no OU. Nor will there be any. Dr. Stiffler has already mentioned as to the impossibility of this EVER happening. Thank you Dr. Stiffler.
The most we can expect is that the devices are self-charging the battery, at best. Both scopes and multi-meters are being fooled by this backward Jtc. And the math does not compute,EITHER, as has been mentioned also.


But, if anyone has a Jtc that is not draining its battery, AT ALL, I'd certainly like to hear about it. As Dr. Stiffler has also mentioned that although this is an interesting thread, but, It has not been going anywhere. Or has it?

I personally do believe that it is possible for these devices to convert Aether from the air surrounding the device into electricity, and run until the components fail... And I'm hoping to be able to prove it. In the meantime, you will all find that there can't be such a thing as overunity, as not only is the name a misnomer, but so is the whole idea behind it... So, how much longer is this going to take for ALL to realize and agree on it??? As well as come up with a real device that does uses a CONVERSION process to run, and not just in the Micro-volt range???

Dear NickZ,

Please read the one year review of FLEET at:
What is New?

From my point of view, Energy can be brought-in from the surrounding. There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of energy. The first device from us demonstrating Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy was the Tong Po Chi wheel in 2009. The second device is the FLEET demonstrated in July 13, 2010. The standing wave of the Output Power is a clear sign of resonance.

Prof. Jones focused on the experimental side and worked on a single Joule Thief circuit at present. He did achieved a COP = 8 result with his variant. He is aware of my Multiple LCR resonance approach.

I have the disadvantage of not able to produce prototypes myself. It was confirmed by the eye doctor that I had been using only the left eye for a number of years. The problem is with the optic nerve and the situation cannot be reversed by modern medical techniques. It is a matter of slowing down the deterioration.

May be it is the path set by the Almighty. I already have the full theory outlined above. Someone else will do the prototypes and produce products. I used a two-oscilloscope method to perform the tuning. It appears that most forum members do not have two oscilloscopes (many do not even have one). So I am sowing the seeds as described in the Bible.

God has worked His Miracle. It is up to men to understand the Divine Revelations.

[NickZ]

@ Itseung888:
I am well aware of your thoughts, as you've been repeating them for years, like a parrot, without really providing a true and REPLICABLE device to prove your point. As if this delusion will surely "save the world" Only showing pictures of what school kids built, as your proof. And preaching of your religion as if we are interested in hearing about that. I AM NOT!
So, after waiting and having to hear about it over and over again, I'd like to see what has been done. If the idea or device can be further tested, discarded, or possibly even improved. Yes, I like others am growing impatient. But, now you are saying that we should still just take your word it (again), that the devices tested by Steven, are 8 times OU.
I understand that Steven is on vacation, but as I mentioned before, if the device was OU, as you say, or even lasting 1/2 year like Koolers BWJT did, it would not have drained up the batteries. What batteries? The dead ones that nobody is commenting about. Or am I just imagining things... Please excuse me if i am... but I don't want more stories of what somebody did for you in China, or pictures of school kids replications.
If the device just discharges batteries like All the other Jtc have ever done so far, just say so.... that is not a sin... But, a very dimly lit led to prove that the device has 8 times more output than input is of no use to anyone, even IF it were true.
Lasersabers newest circuit may also be fooling the meter, as it can do, or does with a scope, like Dr. Stiffler has already mentioned. He has mentioned it because this is what he finds to be true.
A discharged battery is more proof (to me) than anything else. You can build all the little heat boxes that you want. But the self runner (so called), will be the final proof. Replicable by all.
I've asked this very simple question several times: HOW LONG DOES THE BATTERY LAST? I will trust that the reply is truthful, for now.
On the other hand if 6 months (like has already past) go by and the circuit still shows the same BRIGHT light intensity, from the SAME battery. That is impressive and is something else again, and is what I'm interested in and others as well. I'm looking to find the cause of that effect, and not just to hear more stories.
So, Itseung888 if you really want to help with this, please provide some proof, that can be verified, and further replicated by anyone. And, Please don't bore us anymore with your religious view points, as I think that to bore is a SIN, at least in my book. There are other threads elsewhere to expound on that. You've heard this all before, will you do something about it, this time.

[altrez]

Dear NickZ,

Please read the one year review of FLEET at:
What is New?

From my point of view, Energy can be brought-in from the surrounding. There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of energy. The first device from us demonstrating Output Energy can be greater than Input Energy was the Tong Po Chi wheel in 2009. The second device is the FLEET demonstrated in July 13, 2010. The standing wave of the Output Power is a clear sign of resonance.

Prof. Jones focused on the experimental side and worked on a single Joule Thief circuit at present. He did achieved a COP = 8 result with his variant. He is aware of my Multiple LCR resonance approach.

I have the disadvantage of not able to produce prototypes myself. It was confirmed by the eye doctor that I had been using only the left eye for a number of years. The problem is with the optic nerve and the situation cannot be reversed by modern medical techniques. It is a matter of slowing down the deterioration.

May be it is the path set by the Almighty. I already have the full theory outlined above. Someone else will do the prototypes and produce products. I used a two-oscilloscope method to perform the tuning. It appears that most forum members do not have two oscilloscopes (many do not even have one). So I am sowing the seeds as described in the Bible.

God has worked His Miracle. It is up to men to understand the Divine Revelations.

Hello! I first want to say that I really appreciate that you give praise to our Lord!! Thank you for that. But I would also like to say that I have over 10 different types of Scopes and cant seem to find ANY O/U in this at all.

Please understand that I believe Jesus is Lord! but I cant find any O/U with this. I have plenty of resources and will BUY anything that I might need to find O/U in this circuit as many of my friends know I always say the truth is out there and I also have strong beliefs that God wants us to be free of evil.

With that being said can you give a step by step how-to on how to prove O/U on this circuit? Like I said I have access to 100k worth of lab equipment if needed.

God Bless,

-Altrez

[Armagdn03]

Hello! I first want to say that I really appreciate that you give praise to our Lord!! Thank you for that. But I would also like to say that I have over 10 different types of Scopes and cant seem to find ANY O/U in this at all.

Please understand that I believe Jesus is Lord! but I cant find any O/U with this. I have plenty of resources and will BUY anything that I might need to find O/U in this circuit as many of my friends know I always say the truth is out there and I also have strong beliefs that God wants us to be free of evil.

With that being said can you give a step by step how-to on how to prove O/U on this circuit? Like I said I have access to 100k worth of lab equipment if needed.

God Bless,

-Altrez

Out of professional courtesy, I will not name names, but I know of a person who has tested this circuit in a calorimetry unit accurate to a few pico-watts at a professional lab, absolutely nothing close to 8x was found, let alone over 1x.

I am sorry to report this, yet this lets us move on faster.

[MonsieurM]

Out of professional courtesy, I will not name names, but I know of a person who has tested this circuit in a calorimetry unit accurate to a few pico-watts at a professional lab, absolutely nothing close to 8x was found, let alone over 1x.

I am sorry to report this, yet this lets us move on faster.

the only probable way to recreate OU in this circuit , is to run the test in similar conditions as was originally run...the geographic place included, don't you think

Chemist use this expression:

Standard conditions for temperature and pressure

when dealing with electromagnetic, the same should apply when running experiments, unless someone has invented a machine that can simulate the exact electromagnetic conditions (gravity included), the only way to reproduce Dr. Steven E. Jones JT Variation circuit, you start from scratch...meaning you go to where he made his first demonstration of OU (borrowed from tv: "going back to the scene of the crime" ).
If the effect is not reproduced in the same area by an unbiased experimenter, case closed. But if it does, but in other areas it does not as it seems the case...well you'd know what to look for....

Don't be so quick to dismiss an honest man's work..unless you have explored all the possibilities

There is a University in the area: Brigham Young University

ps: I sent you a pm, i don't know if you got it

[altrez]

Out of professional courtesy, I will not name names, but I know of a person who has tested this circuit in a calorimetry unit accurate to a few pico-watts at a professional lab, absolutely nothing close to 8x was found, let alone over 1x.

I am sorry to report this, yet this lets us move on faster.

I thought as much.

Thank you for sharing.

-Altrez

[ltseung888]

Step-by-step experiments on FLEET

Hello! I first want to say that I really appreciate that you give praise to our Lord!! Thank you for that. But I would also like to say that I have over 10 different types of Scopes and cant seem to find ANY O/U in this at all.

Please understand that I believe Jesus is Lord! but I cant find any O/U with this. I have plenty of resources and will BUY anything that I might need to find O/U in this circuit as many of my friends know I always say the truth is out there and I also have strong beliefs that God wants us to be free of evil.

With that being said can you give a step by step how-to on how to prove O/U on this circuit? Like I said I have access to 100k worth of lab equipment if needed.

God Bless,

-Altrez

Step-by-step instructions to produce an overunity FLEET

1. Read the information at my bench in overunityresearch .com: What is New?
carefully.

2. Build a Joule Thief (air core with 7 inch diameter toroid). Do a two-secondary winding on top of the basic joule thief winding. The type of wire and number of turns is not important but wind both the basic joule thief toroid and the secondary wire around the toroid completely.

3. Display the Input Voltage, Input Current and their sum (simultaneous Input Power). The Input Voltage is across the battery supply. The Input current is across a one ohm resistor in series with the Input circuit. Try to display all three waveforms on one oscilloscope.

4. Use one secondary circuit. Put in a variable resistor and be prepared to swap in different value capacitors. The inductance is the winding on the toroid. Play with the different capacitors and observer the display on the second oscilloscope. That oscilloscope should display the output voltage, the output current and the simultaneous output power wave forms.

5. You need much patience in changing the different capacitors. With patience, luck and God’s Blessing, you will find a particular value when the Output Power Waveform became noticeably larger than the Input Power Waveform (See the diagram in point 1 at the quoted post at my bench in overunityresearch com.)

6. Vary the value of the resistor. With patience, luck and God’s Blessing, you may be able to find the Output Power Curve changed into a standing wave. Step 4 and 5 took three students 2 weeks working 6 hours a day to achieve in Hong Kong in July 2010. Once that is achieved, repeat with identical or similar set up. The result is likely to be achieved within hours. (See the diagram in point 2 at the quoted post at my bench in overunityresearchy.com).

7. After one secondary is done, repeat using an identical LCR circuit on the other secondary. Then change the values (tune) until the secondary output also achieved standing waves (or sine waves). Mr. Harvey Gramm achieved this in about two weeks in USA.

8. If your oscilloscope can display peak-to-peak, RMS and Mean values, display them. In a perfect standing wave, the node amplitude will be very high but the power consumed is zero. We should be interested in the peak-to-peak or the RMS value. The actual standing wave will not be perfect. The mean power value is important to determine the actual Output Energy.

9. You can also use a signal generator with a diode or LED to change the source into a pulsing DC instead of using the joule thief circuit. Observer and others have used this technique successfully.

10. Once you have achieved the above steps, you may try to take away the battery at the Joule Thief or turn off the signal generator. The LEDs at the secondary circuits may still be on. (My result in Oct 2010 in Hong Kong was 30 seconds). With God’s Blessing, you may be able to display something similar to that of Steven Mark.

11. Many groups trained by me using the above steps stopped communicating with me as soon as some “results” have been achieved. At least one group told me that they feel confident that they have the ground work for a product. They will send me a working product when it is ready.

You may be the rare bird willing to share your hard work openly with the World freely.

May God Bless you in your project. Amen.

[ltseung888]

The missing tuning step

Hello! I first want to say that I really appreciate that you give praise to our Lord!! Thank you for that. But I would also like to say that I have over 10 different types of Scopes and cant seem to find ANY O/U in this at all.

Please understand that I believe Jesus is Lord! but I cant find any O/U with this. I have plenty of resources and will BUY anything that I might need to find O/U in this circuit as many of my friends know I always say the truth is out there and I also have strong beliefs that God wants us to be free of evil.

With that being said can you give a step by step how-to on how to prove O/U on this circuit? Like I said I have access to 100k worth of lab equipment if needed.

God Bless,

-Altrez

Dear Altrez,

The missing step is usually the tuning. Most people just get the joule thief circuit working and assumed they have done the work.

Spend another two weeks playing with the circuit and observe the oscilloscope Power waveform output.

Amen

[ltseung888]

Did the researcher do any tuning?

Out of professional courtesy, I will not name names, but I know of a person who has tested this circuit in a calorimetry unit accurate to a few pico-watts at a professional lab, absolutely nothing close to 8x was found, let alone over 1x.

I am sorry to report this, yet this lets us move on faster.

Did the researcher/tester do any tuning to get to the “equivalent” circuit before the measurement?

Without tuning, it will be a repeat of the poynt99 test on my prototype. Poynt99 did not believe in resonance tuning. The prototype I sent him got damaged. He re-soldered it. That changed the characteristics. He used his method of measuring the mean of the Output Power without any tuning and concluded that the prototype was under unity. It was a total waste of time.

Prof. Jones et al must learn from this painful experience. Tuning. Tuning and Tuning.

Get the scope shots while the circuit is in the calorimeter!!! That will give the correct picture.

[altrez]

Step-by-step instructions to produce an overunity FLEET

1. Read the information at my bench in overunityresearch .com: What is New?
carefully.

2. Build a Joule Thief (air core with 7 inch diameter toroid). Do a two-secondary winding on top of the basic joule thief winding. The type of wire and number of turns is not important but wind both the basic joule thief toroid and the secondary wire around the toroid completely.

3. Display the Input Voltage, Input Current and their sum (simultaneous Input Power). The Input Voltage is across the battery supply. The Input current is across a one ohm resistor in series with the Input circuit. Try to display all three waveforms on one oscilloscope.

4. Use one secondary circuit. Put in a variable resistor and be prepared to swap in different value capacitors. The inductance is the winding on the toroid. Play with the different capacitors and observer the display on the second oscilloscope. That oscilloscope should display the output voltage, the output current and the simultaneous output power wave forms.

5. You need much patience in changing the different capacitors. With patience, luck and God’s Blessing, you will find a particular value when the Output Power Waveform became noticeably larger than the Input Power Waveform (See the diagram in point 1 at the quoted post at my bench in overunityresearch com.)

6. Vary the value of the resistor. With patience, luck and God’s Blessing, you may be able to find the Output Power Curve changed into a standing wave. Step 4 and 5 took three students 2 weeks working 6 hours a day to achieve in Hong Kong in July 2010. Once that is achieved, repeat with identical or similar set up. The result is likely to be achieved within hours. (See the diagram in point 2 at the quoted post at my bench in overunityresearchy.com).

7. After one secondary is done, repeat using an identical LCR circuit on the other secondary. Then change the values (tune) until the secondary output also achieved standing waves (or sine waves). Mr. Harvey Gramm achieved this in about two weeks in USA.

8. If your oscilloscope can display peak-to-peak, RMS and Mean values, display them. In a perfect standing wave, the node amplitude will be very high but the power consumed is zero. We should be interested in the peak-to-peak or the RMS value. The actual standing wave will not be perfect. The mean power value is important to determine the actual Output Energy.

9. You can also use a signal generator with a diode or LED to change the source into a pulsing DC instead of using the joule thief circuit. Observer and others have used this technique successfully.

10. Once you have achieved the above steps, you may try to take away the battery at the Joule Thief or turn off the signal generator. The LEDs at the secondary circuits may still be on. (My result in Oct 2010 in Hong Kong was 30 seconds). With God’s Blessing, you may be able to display something similar to that of Steven Mark.

11. Many groups trained by me using the above steps stopped communicating with me as soon as some “results” have been achieved. At least one group told me that they feel confident that they have the ground work for a product. They will send me a working product when it is ready.

You may be the rare bird willing to share your hard work openly with the World freely.

May God Bless you in your project. Amen.

Very detailed thank you for posting. I will work on this step by step and see if I can find anything. I will post if I do and share with everyone.

-Altrez

[altrez]

Dear Altrez,

The missing step is usually the tuning. Most people just get the joule thief circuit working and assumed they have done the work.

Spend another two weeks playing with the circuit and observe the oscilloscope Power waveform output.

Amen

ltseung888,

I will. Thank you for taking time to respond.

-Altrez