What would happen to an Inventor who could solve the energy crises?

[Steve220]

More here than this thread

I'm kinda disappointed, I was excited to find a forum that talked about real solutions for renewable energy, so far it appears that it is mostly filled with conspiracy theorists and undereducated free energy enthusiasts...

This thread is:
What would happen to an Inventor who could solve the energy crises?

That is why it reads the way it does. There are other threads that are more in detail regarding renewable energy. Actually I think it is important to look at all aspects of new forms of energy. It is easy to get involved in the nuts and bolts part and not see the big picture.

As I have said in my posts before, free energy may not always be free. There may be a hidden cost to any new energy system. Some debate now may uncover a down side to a new form of energy that looks good now, but could have a huge cost later.

As far as what would happen to the inventor of a new form of energy, It is hard to say.
Could have a band playing at a big reception or have a rope and a tree waiting , depending on what side you are on at the time.

[Shadesz]

I'm kinda disappointed, I was excited to find a forum that talked about real solutions for renewable energy, so far it appears that it is mostly filled with conspiracy theorists and undereducated free energy enthusiasts...

This thread is:
What would happen to an Inventor who could solve the energy crises?

That is why it reads the way it does. There are other threads that are more in detail regarding renewable energy. Actually I think it is important to look at all aspects of new forms of energy. It is easy to get involved in the nuts and bolts part and not see the big picture.

As I have said in my posts before, free energy may not always be free. There may be a hidden cost to any new energy system. Some debate now may uncover a down side to a new form of energy that looks good now, but could have a huge cost later.

As far as what would happen to the inventor of a new form of energy, It is hard to say.
Could have a band playing at a big reception or have a rope and a tree waiting , depending on what side you are on at the time.

I see nothing in the title or original post of this thread that talks about free energy.

I agree with you, the solution to our love of energy isn't one product or service but rather many forms thereof.

As far as providing more energy to solve the crisis it's pretty simple what you will be given... a butt load of money! (IE your company will make tons of money).

People can theorize on perpetual energy systems etc. all they want, but unless someone develops a working system AND builds a business that uses that system to produce, sell, and distribute that energy it is all for nothing... nothing for society, and nothing for them (no monies).

Like I said before, it will be left to die. And not because this suppression bull. The only suppression is their inability to create a working production company, or their desire to not let others more capable of using it to make capital gains on it.

The government in USA doesn't determine the price of energy, supply and demand does. And the problem is worldwide demand has increase more rapidly than supply for the last 50 years.

Sooooo... go solve the energy problem, make energy cheaper by increasing the supply at a staggering rate... and make a butt load of money in the process... quit wasting time by blaming government.

*the above post wasn't to you directly, more to people that waste their time, and the readers time, by talking about suppression rather then about ways to produce more energy.

[Neight]

I see nothing in the title or original post of this thread that talks about free energy.

I agree with you, the solution to our love of energy isn't one product or service but rather many forms thereof.

As far as providing more energy to solve the crisis it's pretty simple what you will be given... a butt load of money! (IE your company will make tons of money).

People can theorize on perpetual energy systems etc. all they want, but unless someone develops a working system AND builds a business that uses that system to produce, sell, and distribute that energy it is all for nothing... nothing for society, and nothing for them (no monies).

Like I said before, it will be left to die. And not because this suppression bull. The only suppression is their inability to create a working production company, or their desire to not let others more capable of using it to make capital gains on it.

The government in USA doesn't determine the price of energy, supply and demand does. And the problem is worldwide demand has increase more rapidly than supply for the last 50 years.

Sooooo... go solve the energy problem, make energy cheaper by increasing the supply at a staggering rate... and make a butt load of money in the process... quit wasting time by blaming government.

*the above post wasn't to you directly, more to people that waste their time, and the readers time, by talking about suppression rather then about ways to produce more energy.

you don't see anything in this thread about free energy because this post is about what would happen IF free energy were discovered...

and as far as supply and demand controlling energy prices and not governments, if you honestly believe that line, I truly feel sorry for you

energy cost in the world today is based on speculation, not supply. and if governments had nothing to do with it, why then were we told by Obama that energy costs will "necessarily skyrocket" if his energy plans were put into practice?
If gov't has nothing to do with it, why is there a suppression list available, that you can check for yourself, that actually states the tech that has been patented and is CURRENTLY BEING SUPPRESSED BY THE GOVERNMENT?!?

the largest part of this forum is people theorizing, experimenting, and building systems that tap into energy sources that have abundant supply, and not nearly enough demand.

tesla actually built a system that would have provided free electricity to the world wirelessly. there are two very big reasons why this is not in existence today...
1. JP Morgan, who was financially backing tesla at the time, found out he couldn't charge for the energy that tesla was tapping, and took his money away and had tesla's wardencliff tower destroyed.
2. immediately after Tesla's death, the FBI under Hoover, went in and took everything the man had. all of his research, data, and inventions. they took them, and hid them away to this day. our own government uses quite a bit of Tesla's tech, but they wont let the rest of us in on it (HAARP is a prime example)

so there is concrete proof that corporations and governments are indeed suppressing tech that would solve the energy crisis, and it would do it in a big hurry. free electric, wirelessly, the world over.

I am sure there have been people out there who have claimed threats from "men in black" and are completely full of...
but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, just because a few crackpots have told some lies to make themselves sound important doesn't mean that everyone with that claim is also lying.

I understand where you are coming from, it can be a lot to swallow, especially if you are a skeptic to begin with. but I urge you to keep an open mind, and open eyes, and actually look around this forum. there is amazing work going on here, all over the place. people making a lot of energy from very little supply.
try and build one of these devices for yourself. test it, try to disprove the claims being made for yourself. If you can disprove it, and show why it doesn't work, then kudos to you. If you actually find that these kinds of things do work as advertised, then maybe you can help with the work being done as well, and get us one step closer to the goal.

N8

[Shadesz]

you don't see anything in this thread about free energy because this post is about what would happen IF free energy were discovered...

and as far as supply and demand controlling energy prices and not governments, if you honestly believe that line, I truly feel sorry for you

energy cost in the world today is based on speculation, not supply. and if governments had nothing to do with it, why then were we told by Obama that energy costs will "necessarily skyrocket" if his energy plans were put into practice?
If gov't has nothing to do with it, why is there a suppression list available, that you can check for yourself, that actually states the tech that has been patented and is CURRENTLY BEING SUPPRESSED BY THE GOVERNMENT?!?

the largest part of this forum is people theorizing, experimenting, and building systems that tap into energy sources that have abundant supply, and not nearly enough demand.

tesla actually built a system that would have provided free electricity to the world wirelessly. there are two very big reasons why this is not in existence today...
1. JP Morgan, who was financially backing tesla at the time, found out he couldn't charge for the energy that tesla was tapping, and took his money away and had tesla's wardencliff tower destroyed.
2. immediately after Tesla's death, the FBI under Hoover, went in and took everything the man had. all of his research, data, and inventions. they took them, and hid them away to this day. our own government uses quite a bit of Tesla's tech, but they wont let the rest of us in on it (HAARP is a prime example)

so there is concrete proof that corporations and governments are indeed suppressing tech that would solve the energy crisis, and it would do it in a big hurry. free electric, wirelessly, the world over.

I am sure there have been people out there who have claimed threats from "men in black" and are completely full of...
but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, just because a few crackpots have told some lies to make themselves sound important doesn't mean that everyone with that claim is also lying.

I understand where you are coming from, it can be a lot to swallow, especially if you are a skeptic to begin with. but I urge you to keep an open mind, and open eyes, and actually look around this forum. there is amazing work going on here, all over the place. people making a lot of energy from very little supply.
try and build one of these devices for yourself. test it, try to disprove the claims being made for yourself. If you can disprove it, and show why it doesn't work, then kudos to you. If you actually find that these kinds of things do work as advertised, then maybe you can help with the work being done as well, and get us one step closer to the goal.

N8

One question: have you personally successfully replicated one of these free energy apparatuses?

[Neight]

One question: have you personally successfully replicated one of these free energy apparatuses?

yes, nothing terribly complex. I have successfully made an SSG battery charging magnet motor. It works excellent, the energy coming out of the input side is used to run the rotor with spinning magnets, and the HV output spikes charge the secondary battery for free. I am also now using my SSG to test generator coils with the coil shorting techniques discussed on a few threads in this forum.
no energy input besides the SSG rotor spinning, which it would be anyway. with one small coil (approximately 36 feet of 26 gauge wire) with a core made of small nails, and I can light a string of 6 LEDs connected in series with a FWBR to nearly full brightness without slowing the rotor down at all. If i get everything positioned just right, I get free electric out without causing drag on the rotor. if everything isn't perfect, I do get minimal drag, but that is why I am working on learning this kind of setup, so I can make power without using additional input.
my SSG spins nearly or over 3k RPM off of a 12V 7Ah battery. it only takes 60-70mA current to run the motor, and even with the additional load of the generator coil, it doesn't increase the input current. very efficient, and when you consider everything that is working in this system, it's absolutely over cop >1. I am working on taking measurements to figure out exactly how to calculate the actual COP, though math is not my strong suit...
as you stated in your post, it's not one system, but a combination of systems that will unlock the door we are knocking on. when you see this stuff working for yourself, on your own bench, it is so much more impressive than some video on youtube which could just as easily be a fake.
As I said, build it for yourself. don't take my word for it, you know you can trust yourself, so prove or disprove it for yourself. if you can disprove it, then feel free to criticize the rest of us. if you build it and it works, then tell us what you did and how you did it, and help move the work forward!

don't get me wrong, healthy debate is excellent for this kind of discussion, and you are not being overly rude about it. please take no offense to anything I say, as none is intended. I am simply making counter points to your points

N8

[Shadesz]

yes, nothing terribly complex. I have successfully made an SSG battery charging magnet motor. It works excellent, the energy coming out of the input side is used to run the rotor with spinning magnets, and the HV output spikes charge the secondary battery for free. I am also now using my SSG to test generator coils with the coil shorting techniques discussed on a few threads in this forum.
no energy input besides the SSG rotor spinning, which it would be anyway. with one small coil (approximately 36 feet of 26 gauge wire) with a core made of small nails, and I can light a string of 6 LEDs connected in series with a FWBR to nearly full brightness without slowing the rotor down at all. If i get everything positioned just right, I get free electric out without causing drag on the rotor. if everything isn't perfect, I do get minimal drag, but that is why I am working on learning this kind of setup, so I can make power without using additional input.
my SSG spins nearly or over 3k RPM off of a 12V 7Ah battery. it only takes 60-70mA current to run the motor, and even with the additional load of the generator coil, it doesn't increase the input current. very efficient, and when you consider everything that is working in this system, it's absolutely over cop >1. I am working on taking measurements to figure out exactly how to calculate the actual COP, though math is not my strong suit...
as you stated in your post, it's not one system, but a combination of systems that will unlock the door we are knocking on. when you see this stuff working for yourself, on your own bench, it is so much more impressive than some video on youtube which could just as easily be a fake.
As I said, build it for yourself. don't take my word for it, you know you can trust yourself, so prove or disprove it for yourself. if you can disprove it, then feel free to criticize the rest of us. if you build it and it works, then tell us what you did and how you did it, and help move the work forward!

don't get me wrong, healthy debate is excellent for this kind of discussion, and you are not being overly rude about it. please take no offense to anything I say, as none is intended. I am simply making counter points to your points

N8

How long has your system been running? How many times have you recharged each battery? What charge did you start with in each battery? What are their charges currently? How much total power have you consumed using the led's during this testing process?

Big claims require substantial quantification and most people on here that talk free energy don't have the numbers to back up the claim. If you don't have those numbers, get them. They are pretty important to your claim that you have successfully produced a working unit. Not to mention the economic feasibility by comparing production against production cost.

I am working on my own renewable energy production. It utilizes a proven form of energy that produces a couple percent of the US energy consumption. The market I am working on will double that number providing the equivalent of 150 to 200 million barrels of oil. Current tests are just to gather the production data so expansion can occur. The hardest part about it? Building a company behind the idea/process.

Even in that alcohol video he discusses the limitations of current opportunities of producing renewable energy, and they aren't suppression.. they are difficulty developing the market and funding.

No offense taken, and I hope you feel the same

[Neight]

How long has your system been running? How many times have you recharged each battery? What charge did you start with in each battery? What are their charges currently? How much total power have you consumed using the led's during this testing process?

Big claims require substantial quantification and most people on here that talk free energy don't have the numbers to back up the claim. If you don't have those numbers, get them. They are pretty important to your claim that you have successfully produced a working unit. Not to mention the economic feasibility by comparing production against production cost.

I am working on my own renewable energy production. It utilizes a proven form of energy that produces a couple percent of the US energy consumption. The market I am working on will double that number providing the equivalent of 150 to 200 million barrels of oil. Current tests are just to gather the production data so expansion can occur. The hardest part about it? Building a company behind the idea/process.

Even in that alcohol video he discusses the limitations of current opportunities of producing renewable energy, and they aren't suppression.. they are difficulty developing the market and funding.

No offense taken, and I hope you feel the same

I have pages of notes on run times, voltage in/voltage out, battery levels.
I have seen both batteries charging at the same time, I have notes where the voltage in the input side voltage didn't drop enough for a DMM to pick up for several hours...
I have lots of data, and probably could have loads more, but honestly I am so new at all this, I sometimes don't even know what all is there to test...
My SSG has been running great for over 2 months now, and I have built at least three of them in different configurations of rotors and magnets.
also, as far as the SSG goes, so many on this forum have built one or one of their variations, it's pretty hard to get around the amount of data that is available. They are pretty cheap to build, even buying components at retail prices, and putting one together doesn't require a degree in electrical engineering (I know because when I started this, I didn't even know how to read a basic circuit diagram, let alone how to properly build a working circuit.)

You do make a good point about a solid production value though. you really can't give something away anymore, people will assume it's worth nothing if it's free...
The idea of working open source like this forum however, is not to build a marketable product, it is more about building a working product, and then spreading that idea and the plans for free to anyone willing to build one for themselves.
there are plenty of people around this forum who would gladly give away the tech just to get the idea out there. there are also many who have dreams of coming up with the next big idea in energy and making a mint off of it.
even if the threat of suppression is minimal to non-exsistant (for argument sake) it's not always about profit, sometimes people do something because they love it, and they share what they do freely because they want other people to enjoy it also, not to mention the possible benefits of being able to create your own power to run your life.
you make some good points, no doubt about that. perhaps I am simply overly optimistic, though I honestly believe in what I am doing, as well as many other people around the world who are chasing the same dreams.
it's about the greater good, and if all I get in return for my effort is the ability to power my life on my terms, I will not complain about that for even one second
N8

[Steve220]

N8

Well said.

[aljhoa]

Share more please, but please not more of those conspiracy theory articles. Share more from your own observations...

I'm kinda disappointed, I was excited to find a forum that talked about real solutions for renewable energy, so far it appears that it is mostly filled with conspiracy theorists and undereducated free energy enthusiasts...

Since you are claiming that forum is mostly filled with conspiracy theories, undereducated free energy enthusiasts and
the social science article from
Economics & Politics - Volume 20, Issue 1 - March 2008 - Wiley Online Library
is just a "conspiracy theory article" for you,
what nationality are you?

Al

[tom323]

This is a great solution

its a video that addresses your issue YouTube - ‪Evolution of Outdoor Lighting‬‏

[stormie]

Forget about 'what' the thing is that we are specifically talking about here ...

The grass roots of this debate is about the balance of power among men and nations. In the past the most important controlling factor has been, weapons, language, religion and so on each at some time in the past and for some such as religion this power is still hanging around.


Lets take the quintessential power of information and knowledge; this was arguably the last stand of the ruling classes - it was the last thing that separated people into these classes. The internet has destroyed those boundaries and made huge inroads into slavery, social mobility, and class distinction forcing the ruling classes to work much harder to maintain the comfortable levels of separation they are used to.

The Internet, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft (mostly drop-outs) have accomplished this with little opposition from the powers who will suffer most from our rise.

So too with energy - our firm are working really hard to access the capital and technology to take market share from the big energy monopolies by implementing energy efficiency and alternative energy technology and I personally work to identify the best and most promising of these technologies.

The biggest threat to energy freedom is not domineering corporations or corrupt eastern dictators but people's own natural fear of change.

[Shadesz]

Since you are claiming that forum is mostly filled with conspiracy theories, undereducated free energy enthusiasts and
the social science article from
Economics & Politics - Volume 20, Issue 1 - March 2008 - Wiley Online Library
is just a "conspiracy theory article" for you,
what nationality are you?

Al

What kind of a question is that? I'm Black, Hispanic, White, Oriental, and Native American, lets throw some Middle Eastern in there too. Why does that matter?

[aljhoa]

What kind of a question is that? I'm Black, Hispanic, White, Oriental, and Native American, lets throw some Middle Eastern in there too. Why does that matter?

Master Szadesz,
You have stated and labeled everyone here insane or suffering from some psychological disorder.
I have NOT posted my opinions only scientific article and do not deserve your "compliment".
The question is simple and you overeducated have something to hide.
Al

[Shadesz]

Master Szadesz,
You have stated and labeled everyone here insane or suffering from some psychological disorder.
I have NOT posted my opinions only scientific article and do not deserve your "compliment".
The question is simple and you overeducated have something to hide.
Al

First, i asked for no more articles, only personal observations. Second, you didn't answer my question.

[DaS Energy]

Suppresion comes first.

Having direct experience in Australia, the first problem encountered in the case of electricity production is that state governments own the transmission lines and wont allow electricity that is far cheaper than from government coal burning power stations use of the transmission lines.

In reguard to highly efficient combustion engines, retailers are told put that product on the shelf and you can take all others off. Leaving the inventor to both sell and service.

This is not supposition its fact by personal experience.

Peter Mckinlay