What is your aspect of free energy machines?

[MonsieurM]

Well I guess I do agree with a persons right to not have thier idea's used by others for a profit for sure, it's hard to disagree with that. But the selling of patent rights confuses that, a lot. I'm no patent lawer myself, but I think the rights to patents can be sold, and if they can be sold they can be extorted. The latter would not benifit the inventor.

Where are all the rich inventors ? I guess there are some maybe many, but what did they invent ?

I'm all for helping the inventors too, even open source can be misused or abused, it's human nature to take advantage of things. With open source there are some scams and some very useful legitimate things too. How much of the stuff we buy these days is patented, surely there must be zillions of patent applications by now, seems an unworkable system in the long run. I can't imagine an alternative enforcable system that would work either though.

as an example look at Dyson's "inventions" and compare them to Coanda's Patents....

Coanda Effect Patents

[nueview]

i want to thank you all here in this thread for some clear discussion of this topic.
though there is some confussion as to intellectual property and discovery, an aspect of science can not be patented like the volt or ampere or wind or gravity or an aspect of it, instead it is named for the discoverer and he gets recognition for it sometimes! this is discovery and it is now the subject of much debate in the supreme court as the process of genetics comes about how to work the process is patentable but not the physics.
this point has already been well discussed here and has problems but it does not involve the slavery by money aspect of our society which has become the root problem. any major invention takes the inventor a substantial amount of time and money to develope and this cost will become exponentialy greater as each aspect of science is developed yet funding is limited and compensation is becoming less and less and i do not see a way around this problem as cottage industry is now long gone in our society.
i am just pointing this out as a part of the entire problem i have no answer to this for anyone maybe someone here will.
Martin

[nueview]

it seems we are a bit off topic for what is your take on free energy machines.

my personnel take on them is that the physics for them is already here but not being openly thought to the general public but at the same time it is being developed by industry for it's use.

we have grown as a species to realize that there is a finite amount of global energy in the global system and that this amount is being severely taxed at the moment and cannot be sustained.

what most people think of as free energy is in actuality only a structuring of the energy flow by orders of input power to achieve greatest efficiency of output and this is not actually free but rather quantified.

perhaps the best example is the typical heat pump heating system as it actually creates no heat but instead tends to gather it and focus it for use. in its total system action it is about energies interaction producing an effect but the process gives good efficiency. this is one of the first systems mastered and i believe magnetic fields will be next.

we as people have a long way to go as a society to arrive at the necessary understanding of the many other forms energy transforms through. which is why it so evades us in our quest for its control. i find you do not force it to do anything but rather ask and it responds it is an interesting relationship we are in.
Martin

[mbrownn]

it seems we are a bit off topic for what is your take on free energy machines.

my personnel take on them is that the physics for them is already here but not being openly thought to the general public but at the same time it is being developed by industry for it's use.

we have grown as a species to realize that there is a finite amount of global energy in the global system and that this amount is being severely taxed at the moment and cannot be sustained.

what most people think of as free energy is in actuality only a structuring of the energy flow by orders of input power to achieve greatest efficiency of output and this is not actually free but rather quantified.

perhaps the best example is the typical heat pump heating system as it actually creates no heat but instead tends to gather it and focus it for use. in its total system action it is about energies interaction producing an effect but the process gives good efficiency. this is one of the first systems mastered and i believe magnetic fields will be next.

we as people have a long way to go as a society to arrive at the necessary understanding of the many other forms energy transforms through. which is why it so evades us in our quest for its control. i find you do not force it to do anything but rather ask and it responds it is an interesting relationship we are in.
Martin

You are right we are drifting off topic and I agree on your analysis of free energy, we are just using a second source, normally ignored.

[shadow44]

Thank you all!

I just wanted to thank you all for putting into words EXACTLY how I feel. This thread has been a blessing to my sprit, knowing I am not the only one who feels this way. With so many "ney sayers" out there I tend to get depressed, and end up not completeing projects because I feel alone in the fight. You know we are right, and we will find a energy supply that we can run our house on, and pass the information on to our friends. eventually it will travel the globe that way. It would already be done if it werent for the greed.

[phi1.62]

What about environmental consequences?

Many have pointed out that if a free energy device were available to the public that there would probably be a number of social and economic changes both at a national and international level, some of which we have yet to imagine. Although some of these changes may be for the worse I believe that free energy devices will do more good than harm in terms of socio-economic impact.

What concerns me about free energy devices is that while we seem to be agreement that the energy of such devices is being extracted from the surrounding medium that may consist of one or more different energy fields we have no idea as to what impact that the extraction of terawatts of energy will have on these fields and ultimately on the surrounding environment. While the work of Tesla, Lakhovsky, Rife, Moray and others indicates that the use of such technology is benefical to biological lifeforms all of these experiments were conducted in the range of kilowatts at most. We have no idea whether or not extraction of terawatts from the surrounding medium will have an impact on the subtler energy fields that could ultimately have detrimental effects on the climate, plant growth and animal growth. We do know that when such devices operate that there is usually a drop in temperature in the surrounding environment and we also know that the rotation of certain shapes can have an impact on the weather.

I hope that whomever creates a free energy device will conduct an extensive study to see if such effects do occur in the range of megawatts as a minimum in various parts of the world before they produce the device. I want this technology to be available to the public as much as every member on this forum but I don't want this resulting in the same disappointment and destruction as nuclear power had in the 20th century.

[Farmhand]

Many have pointed out that if a free energy device were available to the public that there would probably be a number of social and economic changes both at a national and international level, some of which we have yet to imagine. Although some of these changes may be for the worse I believe that free energy devices will do more good than harm in terms of socio-economic impact.

What concerns me about free energy devices is that while we seem to be agreement that the energy of such devices is being extracted from the surrounding medium that may consist of one or more different energy fields we have no idea as to what impact that the extraction of terawatts of energy will have on these fields and ultimately on the surrounding environment. While the work of Tesla, Lakhovsky, Rife, Moray and others indicates that the use of such technology is benefical to biological lifeforms all of these experiments were conducted in the range of kilowatts at most. We have no idea whether or not extraction of terawatts from the surrounding medium will have an impact on the subtler energy fields that could ultimately have detrimental effects on the climate, plant growth and animal growth. We do know that when such devices operate that there is usually a drop in temperature in the surrounding environment and we also know that the rotation of certain shapes can have an impact on the weather.

I hope that whomever creates a free energy device will conduct an extensive study to see if such effects do occur in the range of megawatts as a minimum in various parts of the world before they produce the device. I want this technology to be available to the public as much as every member on this forum but I don't want this resulting in the same disappointment and destruction as nuclear power had in the 20th century.

Hi Phi, Very good point to consider, the theory i see most likely is that if the energy is used immediately then it is also dissapated back to where it came from. Which would complete a cycle in an attempt to rebalance. So no harm done. Hopefully. Being that Tesla grew to an old age, if there are problems they would be minor.

About the Terra Watt power levels, the total amount of power being harvested should always almost equal that being dissapated except for stored energy like in batteries and other storage methods so that amount only would ever be locked up as stored energy. We should only need to harvest as we use, just borrowing the energy for a minute time frame over and over.

In my opinon most power used should be collected locally and transmission only done when and where needed, the majority of peoples domestic power production should be de-centralised to the home or community level, preferably the home level.

Cheers

[nueview]

the one thing i have seen in common with most free energy devices seems to be resonance and there is allot of gain in this method as i have seen so far.
now if the magnetics are properly contained and the power is merely cycled the total output could be purely mechanical and i see little effect to the surrounding environment at all.
if however running broadcast power from a single place on earth for all that is needed as we presently use it i would probably be afraid.
cooling the outside environment to heat a house and loosing heat again to outside again would seem to be closed cycle in my opinion.

[Steve220]

The real problem

Many have pointed out that if a free energy device were available to the public that there would probably be a number of social and economic changes both at a national and international level, some of which we have yet to imagine. Although some of these changes may be for the worse I believe that free energy devices will do more good than harm in terms of socio-economic impact.

What concerns me about free energy devices is that while we seem to be agreement that the energy of such devices is being extracted from the surrounding medium that may consist of one or more different energy fields we have no idea as to what impact that the extraction of terawatts of energy will have on these fields and ultimately on the surrounding environment. While the work of Tesla, Lakhovsky, Rife, Moray and others indicates that the use of such technology is benefical to biological lifeforms all of these experiments were conducted in the range of kilowatts at most. We have no idea whether or not extraction of terawatts from the surrounding medium will have an impact on the subtler energy fields that could ultimately have detrimental effects on the climate, plant growth and animal growth. We do know that when such devices operate that there is usually a drop in temperature in the surrounding environment and we also know that the rotation of certain shapes can have an impact on the weather.

I hope that whomever creates a free energy device will conduct an extensive study to see if such effects do occur in the range of megawatts as a minimum in various parts of the world before they produce the device. I want this technology to be available to the public as much as every member on this forum but I don't want this resulting in the same disappointment and destruction as nuclear power had in the 20th century.

I agree here. It is more than just free energy involved. Unlimted amounts of energy could bring a garden of Eden to Earth or Hell to Earth depending on how it is presented to the public.

Just what would a world with unlimited amounts of energy be like? For example, electric cars to replace the current gasoline powered cars would be a good thing.
But a traffic jam is still a traffic jam whether you are driving an electric powered car or a gasoline powered car. Would urban sprawl take off to levels never dreamed of due to an increase in population? The decision to raise families, create new households are in part made in light of current economic conditions.

If the economy of the world would suddenly take off due to unlimited amounts of energy being available, what impact would this have on the environment? The current energy situation, despite all its short comings, does have a negative feedback effect built in to it, that it does impose a limit on growth.
Would the availability of free or near free energy in unlimited amounts cause the world to go into a positive feedback condition where more growth causes more growth? A runaway condition that would end up who knows where.

Would free energy really be free? Just what would be the real cost of unlimited amounts of energy becoming available. It is something to think about.

Steve

[nueview]

there seem to be allot of questions here about were free and i would use that term loosely energy will take us.
as a matter of history it will go first to the wealthy who will surround themselves with the oppulance of its gifts and then to the governments for better war machines and then advanced research institutes like NASA. so far it seems right on track then maybe it will begin to trickel down to the next economic groups but those who would need it most would most likely be last to get it due to education and monetary statis.
so i really don't see how it will majorly change this world.
but Carl Sagan was correct that we will never be able to go anywhere else in the universe without it and that is a no nonsense fact!