* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Aaron]

battery charging

Thanks Aaron.
Have keen on this, as I have collected lots of "rejected"
batteries and yet having not fully understood the Bedini way.
But I guess I will keep trying no matter how it goes.
:respect:

Peter's talk at the conference last weekend was the most comprehensive
talk on how batteries are charged that was ever given that I know of.
Hopefully, it will be made available at some point.

[Aaron]

earning money

Milking tax dollars is fine by me, if I am "encouraged" into a corner by a closed minded society who are more than happy to blindly pay tax and are only interested in attacking you if you bring the subject to their attention. In other words, I'll take what's offered with the intention of turning it around if that's the game they want to play. Free tax dollars, thank you very much. I'll use it to work on not needing tax dollars in the future.

Getting something back out of the system is fine by me too. I've paid into it plenty and should get back every dime I can.

But in my intended context - basically means my time isn't free and I'm not interesting in working on a volunteer basis or being dependent on donations for my work. Because if I did, I'd wind up on the streets and would be broke and homeless and that would be a part of the problem.

It is easier to "get ahead" in this country that it is to get a regular job and "work for a living" because there is less competition.

And, money is the most easily renewable resource, which unfortunately most people don't get.

@Elias, earning "more than we need" has nothing to do with taking away from others or enslaving anyone. That is simply not true and is taking the facts out of context. The problem is when the govt's continue to participate in and aid those with most of the money already get more by TAKING (nothing to do with earning) more from others regardless of their income level by raising taxes, increase different fees, etc... THAT is what is working to enslave people. That is a huge difference.

The bail out plans, the health care reform scams, the carbon "tax", etc... THOSE are taking from all of us and none of that is earned by "them." That is part of their pyramid scam where they sit at the top reach down and take from below pushing us towards enslavement. INFLATION is one of the most powerful taxes there is - and it is tax in disguise.

If someone wants to build a business and earn $1 million in a year, they didn't compete with you - they just competed with those that ALREADY have a lot. By earning that $1 million in a year, those at the top of the corporate or other system have $1 million a year LESS going into their pockets. That just leveled the playing field for ALL OF US - not the other way around.

[Neight]

Hi Elias,

I feel your pain. I really do. I began my quest for Free Energy technology with the same point of view. Over the years, as I continued to see the world's non-conformance with this idea, I started to meditate on it deeply, to try to find out why. Here is what I found, and came to Peace with, within myself.

The IDEA that "abundance is everybody's right" is only a philosophical reality. This IDEA has never actually been the foundation of any social group, governmental constitution, or financial institution. No group of human beings have ever agreed to interact AS A GROUP based on this IDEA. This is a historic fact, right up to this day. My conclusion was, therefore, the IDEA that "abundance is everyone's right" is not true in the physical reality.

That realization did not, however, change my longing for it to be true. That is when I realized that this IDEA was really operating in me as a philosophical IDEAL; as something that I could envision society attaining sometime in the future. That is when I decided to start living my life AS IF it was true, even though the rest of the world did not.

On my FE website, I have posted an essay on Social Responsibility that you may find addresses this. It discusses the relationship between the "rights" granted to the individual by society and the individual's "responsibility" to society in return: Free Energy | Social Responsibility

That said, "abundance is everybody's right" is an absolute TRUTH in the Spirit World. In the highest reaches of the mind, it is possible to contact a reality that is the Essence of Existence itself. It is from this place that abundance flows without limit. That means that abundance is supposed to ENTER THE WORLD through us, and this is the exact reason why we cannot find abundance in the world BEFORE we find it in ourselves.

Please do not seek to escape from this world, as it is in dire need of you BECOMING the abundance you so dearly love. And when you do this, your life will be filled with meaning, as you share your abundance with the world.

Namaste,
Peter

Hello Peter,
I agree with you completely on this!
This Ideal is true both in the physical as well as the spiritual! you cannot give abundance to the world, if you have nothing, and spiritually you cannot share the gifts of the heart, unless your heart is abundantly full of love.
There are a lot of amazing people full of incredible intentions and values on this forum. They share and give of themselves freely, and spread "peace love and light" with every message they share on this forum!
It is one of the reasons I enjoy learning on this forum, and the main reason I stayed here over any of the other resource forums I have stumbled on.
I do find it a bit sad though, that some people have found reason to be angry over some other people following their own dreams.
Unfortunate as it is, the world system right now demands that you have a source of income and a monetary system designed to keep the masses enslaved. I personally believe the ONLY way to truly defeat this system is from within.
If we really want to change the world, some of us will first have to become enormously successful in this world system. If you want the power structure to change, you first must climb that structure to the top, where the only real change is possible. There are other ways, but all of the other ways would require revolution and much suffering and bloodshed. I believe none of us here want to cause suffering or bloodshed.
You really have to find a way of thriving in this current system while clinging "white knuckled" to your own values. once you have achieved success, you can begin to enact change. You will not only have the resources to fund the change you want to see, but you will also have the influence to bring other like minded individuals with you and help with that change!
What I have seen with this conference call is a group of people with kindness and good intentions providing a product that can help a lot of people. Those people who are helped, can then share what they have with those who do not have. but the sharing has to come willingly, not through government forced sharing programs.
I believe in liberty and freedom of choice. If I am free to live how I choose, I must also accept that everyone around me is also free to live in their own way. If you don't want to participate in the system as it stands, that is fine. there are plenty of ways out there to eliminate a need for money from your life. But you can't turn around and judge someone else for trying to succeed in the same system. I would much rather see Aaron and the company behind the product mentioned in the call succeed and thrive than 99% of the people who already have success and power. At the very least, we know what Aaron believes, and can only hope that they use their success to help change the world for the better.
In my humble opinion, the only way peace love and light can prevail is if we first stop judging people for their choices, and learn to enjoy our own lives. If abundance to you means sharing and giving freely, then do so! but do so with love for those who are not doing so. There is a Christian principal that comes to mind in this case. hate the sin, love the sinner.
You may not agree with how Aaron or anyone chooses to run their business, or how they decide to make their profit, but in that case, you simply don't have to participate. That is the beauty of choice! You don't have to agree with each other, but that does not mean you are opposed to each other.
Live with love in your heart. Let your heart be full of love, then allow it to overflow. Getting angry at the system only feeds the system at the end of the day. instead, simply live how you choose to, that is pure freedom, and if enough of us live that way, we can and will bring it down! no matter if your role in it is the poor dirt farmer who gives what little he has freely to those who ask, or if you choose to live in the system, become successful and change it from within. In both cases, your impact can be strong on those you come across. your influence on others will spread, and when enough people have seen the light, there will be no other choice than change!
sorry for the length of this post, but some of what I am seeing is not love or freedom. it is the same anger that drives the wedge further into our hearts and stops us from living free. you have to accept that not everyone will choose to live the same way as you, in fact, it is very likely many people will choose to live in the same selfish way they always have. But what you gain by accepting those who do choose the path of selfish power, is freedom from their selfishness. you do not have to participate, and you just have to love that

N8

[MonsieurM]

Hello Peter,
I agree with you completely on this!
This Ideal is true both in the physical as well as the spiritual! you cannot give abundance to the world, if you have nothing, and spiritually you cannot share the gifts of the heart, unless your heart is abundantly full of love.
There are a lot of amazing people full of incredible intentions and values on this forum. They share and give of themselves freely, and spread "peace love and light" with every message they share on this forum!
It is one of the reasons I enjoy learning on this forum, and the main reason I stayed here over any of the other resource forums I have stumbled on.
I do find it a bit sad though, that some people have found reason to be angry over some other people following their own dreams.
Unfortunate as it is, the world system right now demands that you have a source of income and a monetary system designed to keep the masses enslaved. I personally believe the ONLY way to truly defeat this system is from within.
If we really want to change the world, some of us will first have to become enormously successful in this world system. If you want the power structure to change, you first must climb that structure to the top, where the only real change is possible. There are other ways, but all of the other ways would require revolution and much suffering and bloodshed. I believe none of us here want to cause suffering or bloodshed.
You really have to find a way of thriving in this current system while clinging "white knuckled" to your own values. once you have achieved success, you can begin to enact change. You will not only have the resources to fund the change you want to see, but you will also have the influence to bring other like minded individuals with you and help with that change!
What I have seen with this conference call is a group of people with kindness and good intentions providing a product that can help a lot of people. Those people who are helped, can then share what they have with those who do not have. but the sharing has to come willingly, not through government forced sharing programs.
I believe in liberty and freedom of choice. If I am free to live how I choose, I must also accept that everyone around me is also free to live in their own way. If you don't want to participate in the system as it stands, that is fine. there are plenty of ways out there to eliminate a need for money from your life. But you can't turn around and judge someone else for trying to succeed in the same system. I would much rather see Aaron and the company behind the product mentioned in the call succeed and thrive than 99% of the people who already have success and power. At the very least, we know what Aaron believes, and can only hope that they use their success to help change the world for the better.
In my humble opinion, the only way peace love and light can prevail is if we first stop judging people for their choices, and learn to enjoy our own lives. If abundance to you means sharing and giving freely, then do so! but do so with love for those who are not doing so. There is a Christian principal that comes to mind in this case. hate the sin, love the sinner.
You may not agree with how Aaron or anyone chooses to run their business, or how they decide to make their profit, but in that case, you simply don't have to participate. That is the beauty of choice! You don't have to agree with each other, but that does not mean you are opposed to each other.
Live with love in your heart. Let your heart be full of love, then allow it to overflow. Getting angry at the system only feeds the system at the end of the day. instead, simply live how you choose to, that is pure freedom, and if enough of us live that way, we can and will bring it down! no matter if your role in it is the poor dirt farmer who gives what little he has freely to those who ask, or if you choose to live in the system, become successful and change it from within. In both cases, your impact can be strong on those you come across. your influence on others will spread, and when enough people have seen the light, there will be no other choice than change!
sorry for the length of this post, but some of what I am seeing is not love or freedom. it is the same anger that drives the wedge further into our hearts and stops us from living free. you have to accept that not everyone will choose to live the same way as you, in fact, it is very likely many people will choose to live in the same selfish way they always have. But what you gain by accepting those who do choose the path of selfish power, is freedom from their selfishness. you do not have to participate, and you just have to love that

N8

Could not have said it better

[toranarod]

Well said, well said, you told exactly what my personal problem with the world is. Sometimes I feel so alien in this world. Abundance is everyone's right, I have no problem with that, but because the way money is made to operate, when you earn money more than you need, you are actually enslaving some people. Are you careful to give away the extra money you do not need, or does it make you thirsty for more money? If one wants to make money there are so many bugs in this economic system that enables some people earn money more than the amount of real service they make to humanity. People need love and compassion not a product that they have to pay for, that is not going to save the world. That is why I have dedicated the last 4 years of my life searching for free energy. Free energy will eventually eliminate money as we know it.

Everybody tells me wake up that's only a dream you are living in. In the real world it doesn't work that way. In the real world the one who enslaves others more, is the most successful and deserves more. What a shame! What a SHAME! Sometimes I feel exhausted and feel like escaping planet Earth and all this non-sense. It becomes unbearable to live with such ignorance flying around.

I would like to say thank you. You have said what I have wanted to say.
so Ditto

The one thing to come out of this conference call is all this healthy discussion.

If this stuff is as good as they say. and the major population of the world becomes aware of it. governments and drug cartels will jump on this and police it it out of existence. I suggest you get some while you can.
you can always say i tried it.

The rich and wealthy will stay healthy and the poor will die. this is the one big crime I can see coming from this stuff. Its already to expansive for some. you health should not be controlled by your economic position.

Remember what the internet was like when it was in the hands of just a few
people like us. and all the others thought it was just a fad and it was described as crap. Remember how free and open it was. as soon as it became a good idea all the corporations jump on it and controlled it and policed it to death.

this stuff will go the same way. IF it can do what it claims.

[elias]

Thanks Peter, your words were really heartwarming. Thanks all, and I do apologize if anyone has been or may be offended by my words, I just speak my mind and how I think the world should be like. I do honer free will, and anybody is free to choose how to do things, because certainly everybody is doing the best thing according to their point of view.

@Aaron, Money is nothing but some symbol that represents the amount of service people do to eachother. It is a tool that makes it easy for people to serve eachother, and it must create a self-perpetuating flowing loop (like flowing water). When at some point the "flow" of money gets disrupted, some people who have disrupted the flow will take more, and inhibit it from flowing to others. It is exactly like how water flows in nature, why should we make dams and keep the money, if we don't need it. We should let it flow to give abundance to everyone. That is why I say in a money-based closed economy you should give what you do not need, to let abundance flow to everyone. IT will eventually get back to you, because the system is a closed loop. This is a sophisticated system, and the physical mind is not designed to understand how really economy works. All that I say comes from my instinct.

Sometimes, the Universe or God gives people "more than their needs", people can choose to give it to poor dying people in Somalia or keep it until they die. Fortunately or unfortunately I always have had what I need nothing more, nothing less, so it is not so much of my concern, But I do pray to have more than I need so that I can let it flow to those who need it.

The root cause of economical problems of today is that some small percent of the population have made dams and have kept it from flowing freely and have inflated the top of the pyramid, which will eventually crumble down on it self. And I do agree with you on this one.

All this was discussed in a closed system, but when you open the system by introducing free energy, everything will change and no one can stop the flow by making dams.

[Neight]

I would like to say thank you. You have said what I have wanted to say.
so Ditto

The one thing to come out of this conference call is all this healthy discussion.

If this stuff is as good as they say. and the major population of the world becomes aware of it. governments and drug cartels will jump on this and police it it out of existence. I suggest you get some while you can.
you can always say i tried it.

The rich and wealthy will stay healthy and the poor will die. this is the one big crime I can see coming from this stuff. Its already to expansive for some. you health should not be controlled by your economic position.

Remember what the internet was like when it was in the hands of just a few
people like us. and all the others thought it was just a fad and it was described as crap. Remember how free and open it was. as soon as it became a good idea all the corporations jump on it and controlled it and policed it to death.

this stuff will go the same way. IF it can do what it claims.

I agree with you, that if this product delivers on it's claims, and becomes too popular, it will indeed be policed out of existence. I have personally seen this happen before with other health products. And many of us here on this forum have seen the same thing happen with FE or RE devices. It is indeed a sick system, in desperate need of healing!

Though I disagree when you say the rich remain healthy while the poor die. In many areas of the world, this is painfully true, but this is in no way a world truth. In areas where government control stops people from basic human needs (food water and so on) this is an absolute truth and a horror. But much of those parts of the world do not function on an economic level, that is tyrannical government control, and those unfortunate people are outside of our own ability to help them, if we can't change things in our own part of the world first.
however, what you describe is not true in the part of the world in which you live. The very fact that you are on the internet to make that point is evidence of some basic needs you are able to fill on your own. In the parts of the world in which people like you and I live, our health and wellbeing is entirely on us. You can choose to be healthy, or unhealthy, and no product can determine your physical state of being. The fact is, if you have access to the internet and a place to live, you are AMONG the rich of this world. wealth is not determined by money alone, the same as success is not made by profit, but your own level of contentment.
you have an abundance of food to eat, the ability to remain physically active, and equipped with those tools, your state of health is entirely a choice. you can choose to use your own money to buy products that have the ability to enhance health, but your own health is in no way dependent on any product ever produced by another human being.
I agree with both you and elias that greed and the currency system are designed to enslave people, and need to be done away with, but without people willing to function in that system, there is no way to beat it.
of course you can remove yourself from that system, but consider what that would require you to give up. if you truly desire to live outside the monetary system, that is a choice, and it is an attainable one. But you would inherently lose communication, and convenience. I doubt you would even be able to effectively do your experiments without working in this system. suppose you were able to continue your work without electricity and communication systems. suppose you even found the keys to success. You have made a self running FE system that could power the world. but without the system you live in, you wouldn't even be able to spread that technology beyond your own home, or maybe a few friends and relatives. who would be helped by it then? what would you gain by only helping yourself with FE?
I admire your sense of justice, and your love for others. it is inspiring, and honorable! the world will benefit much just by having people like you and elias in it. but you have to consider just what it would mean to simply shut the system off without first using what that system affords you to find a way out that is beneficial to everyone.
elias is very correct when he says that FE would destroy the current monetary system. I have no doubt of it, and welcome that day with open arms!! but first we MUST find a way to use that system to achieve that goal. function within the system to change it from the inside, and for everyone's benefit! You are doing that as we speak! using the money you earn, and the internet to work with people from around the world. your research and experiments have been fascinating and are being followed by many people from all walks of life! imagine the power you have right now! the influence and the support you have, just working in the same system we all have learned to hate! This is exactly how we will beat the system! This is how we will achieve success, and throw off the chains of poverty and wealth. WE are the tip of the spear in this fight, and it is our responsibility to use that power we do have for the benefit of all. once we destroy the energy, health, and control cartels that are out there, then we can move on to help those who truly need it! we can take what we learn and spread it to those who don't even have a fraction of what we have. That is the gift we have been given by living within the system, and we can take that gift, do some amazing things with it, and then give our gifts to the people who need it the most, the people who live in places where their governments are keeping them from food and water and shelter. destroy the system from within, make our own path and do what we can to share our gifts and talents with many many people.
this is the dream I have, and what I am working for! I know you are doing the same, and you are truly a blessing to the world!

N8

[elias]

At this moment I will do my best to extend unconditional love to everyone.
Let abundance of heaven flow to planet Earth and all of its occupants.
Please help us do what we are here to do on planet Earth.
I request from heaven and earth to unite us as brothers and sisters, extending our compassion and appreciation to each other.
Please make it easy for us to transcend our egos desire and pave the way to a Golden Age, never ever experienced as such on planet Earth before.
Amen

[Neight]

At this moment I will do my best to extend unconditional love to everyone.
Let abundance of heaven flow to planet Earth and all of its occupants.
Please help us do what we are here to do on planet Earth.
I request from heaven and earth to unite us as brothers and sisters, extending our compassion and appreciation to each other.
Please make it easy for us to transcend our egos desire and pave the way to a Golden Age, never ever experienced as such on planet Earth before.
Amen

Incredible! If even a small portion of people follow your example, we will be well on our way to making the changes we all know need to happen!
bless you elias, you are truly one of the saints the future generations should remember!

N8

[toranarod]

I agree with you, that if this product delivers on it's claims, and becomes too popular, it will indeed be policed out of existence. I have personally seen this happen before with other health products. And many of us here on this forum have seen the same thing happen with FE or RE devices. It is indeed a sick system, in desperate need of healing!

Though I disagree when you say the rich remain healthy while the poor die. In many areas of the world, this is painfully true, but this is in no way a world truth. In areas where government control stops people from basic human needs (food water and so on) this is an absolute truth and a horror. But much of those parts of the world do not function on an economic level, that is tyrannical government control, and those unfortunate people are outside of our own ability to help them, if we can't change things in our own part of the world first.
however, what you describe is not true in the part of the world in which you live. The very fact that you are on the internet to make that point is evidence of some basic needs you are able to fill on your own. In the parts of the world in which people like you and I live, our health and wellbeing is entirely on us. You can choose to be healthy, or unhealthy, and no product can determine your physical state of being. The fact is, if you have access to the internet and a place to live, you are AMONG the rich of this world. wealth is not determined by money alone, the same as success is not made by profit, but your own level of contentment.
you have an abundance of food to eat, the ability to remain physically active, and equipped with those tools, your state of health is entirely a choice. you can choose to use your own money to buy products that have the ability to enhance health, but your own health is in no way dependent on any product ever produced by another human being.
I agree with both you and elias that greed and the currency system are designed to enslave people, and need to be done away with, but without people willing to function in that system, there is no way to beat it.
of course you can remove yourself from that system, but consider what that would require you to give up. if you truly desire to live outside the monetary system, that is a choice, and it is an attainable one. But you would inherently lose communication, and convenience. I doubt you would even be able to effectively do your experiments without working in this system. suppose you were able to continue your work without electricity and communication systems. suppose you even found the keys to success. You have made a self running FE system that could power the world. but without the system you live in, you wouldn't even be able to spread that technology beyond your own home, or maybe a few friends and relatives. who would be helped by it then? what would you gain by only helping yourself with FE?
I admire your sense of justice, and your love for others. it is inspiring, and honorable! the world will benefit much just by having people like you and elias in it. but you have to consider just what it would mean to simply shut the system off without first using what that system affords you to find a way out that is beneficial to everyone.
elias is very correct when he says that FE would destroy the current monetary system. I have no doubt of it, and welcome that day with open arms!! but first we MUST find a way to use that system to achieve that goal. function within the system to change it from the inside, and for everyone's benefit! You are doing that as we speak! using the money you earn, and the internet to work with people from around the world. your research and experiments have been fascinating and are being followed by many people from all walks of life! imagine the power you have right now! the influence and the support you have, just working in the same system we all have learned to hate! This is exactly how we will beat the system! This is how we will achieve success, and throw off the chains of poverty and wealth. WE are the tip of the spear in this fight, and it is our responsibility to use that power we do have for the benefit of all. once we destroy the energy, health, and control cartels that are out there, then we can move on to help those who truly need it! we can take what we learn and spread it to those who don't even have a fraction of what we have. That is the gift we have been given by living within the system, and we can take that gift, do some amazing things with it, and then give our gifts to the people who need it the most, the people who live in places where their governments are keeping them from food and water and shelter. destroy the system from within, make our own path and do what we can to share our gifts and talents with many many people.
this is the dream I have, and what I am working for! I know you are doing the same, and you are truly a blessing to the world!

N8

Well said. I was making a blanket statement. You are right
the world need people like you who can see.

Best Regards

[Neight]

Well said. I was making a blanket statement. You are right
the world need people like you who can see.

Best Regards

Thank you for the kind words!
please don't take me wrong, nothing I have said today is meant to criticize anyone, or anything said on this subject. I agree wholeheartedly with you and elias. the system is broken, and desperately needs a change! I was simply trying to use some of the statements that have been made to show how we can utilize a compromise right now between where we would like to be and where we are now.
I can see the path to where we want to go, but in the meantime we should take advantage of the system as it is setup to find our way there!
make no mistake, the other side will use any and all resources they have at their command to shut us down any chance they get. and they have considerably more resources than anyone on this forum. I am mostly pointing out the need for all of us to form a cohesive group, and stay strong together to get where we can see we need to go! We can win this battle, and I have no doubt that the universe at large will support us in this, as the universe strives for the same balance we do! if we allow ourselves to become complacent, we will only end up as more victims.
We have something on our side though that is a very powerful weapon! we have the truth! this truth has been suppressed for far too long. it is making it's way to the surface, but there is still much work to be done.
it will take faith and teamwork, but we can and will change the world for the better, I have no doubt about this!
thanks for your kind response, and I very much look forward to the posts you have yet to make! your work is inspiring, and I am learning as fast as I can to be able to catch up and maybe contribute in some useful way.
for right now, I have my ideals and my words, but I am learning, and look forward to the day when i can do more than just read, and can help the tech progress!
thanks

N8

[minoly]

Ok you all, get a room…

I will preface by saying Aaron and Peter have both laid it ALL on the line here. For that reason alone, logic dictates that I will be experimenting w/ the product myself. I have a short list of minor ailments well documented w/ doctors’ visits that this product should be perfect for. Blah blah blah we’ll see…

That being said many years ago a very good friend of mine asked me if my wife and I were interested in going to a nice steak dinner and a show – long story short = Amway… Sure I received what was promised, that’s not the point.

Aaron, you are a very smart and intelligent person, this I know from what I read and what I hear. That means you knew you would receive a % of people that would feel manipulated in some way. I don’t think anyone is angry. I also don’t think most people appreciate being manipulated. You also know there are a percentage of people that will follow you off a cliff as I read its evident in these pages. And there are a percentage of people like myself that would do the logical thing and check it out. It’s a numbers thing. There will be enough of us that will report back one way or the other.

So it’s basic 50/50 either you are playing the numbers and could care less about dropping a few “listeners” or you truly believe in the product. Just like many of the experiments here in this forum, the proof will be in the pudding. I've spent hundreds of $$'s on various experiments over the years that I would just as well would have liked the profits to end up in many members hands here on this forum. this experiment will be do exactly that.

Leeward speed to all,

Patrick

[Neight]

nice patrick
I was more or less just trying to be uplifting, sort of help calm things down a bit, give folks some common ground so to speak

I agree though, and actually expected that outcome no matter what the call actually wound up being about. It was pretty clear to me from the outset that they wanted us to buy something, I just guessed wrong as to what that something might be. I wouldn't call it manipulation exactly, though it was clearly marketing (which is nearly the same thing as manipulation, but I'm going to leave that one lay.... )
either way, you are quite correct, and I am sure both Aaron and Peter were prepared for this, as you can never please everyone. At least in this case, the verdict will be very public, and if it can do what they say, we will know it fairly soon.

N8

[Aaron]

topic of call

To everyone here - I'm am the only one responsible for organizing this call
and promoting it the way it was. Peter had nothing to do with it. I asked
Peter to share his story about his results and why he is getting involved
with the product and he did that.

For final clarification:

Time machine switch - I was so excited about this I felt like giving that away in the beginning because I didn't have any more time to devote to it and wanted to work with the health product full time. I realized it is too far removed from electrolysis that I decided not to include it and stated it in no uncertain terms in the time machine switch thread that I will not be sharing it.

Battery Secret - I said I would provide this, I did end of story. And yes, it is a real industry insider secret that is not intended for consumers!

Increased Hydrogen Production - on some sites, I stated people would learn about 10x hydrogen production by getting to the special event - and they DID. It is in the battery secret chapter. Whether it is the topic of the call or not is irrelevant - I provided what I said people would get. Anyone that has a problem with not seeing this to be of value needs to stop experimenting with hydrogen and start cross stitching or collecting beanie babies.

Peter's Announcement about free energy - that was posted on some sites and it is true - he announced he is quitting free energy - it is about him, and it is about his free energy work - he is giving it up for now because this is too important.

I'm doing the same thing. Actually, we have a couple digital products that were almost done before this came along and we will release those to get them off our plate but we're not actively looking to explore much else in the energy realm at the moment. And I have a couple products that I'm helping some friends with so they can get their feet wet with digital publishing - I have to follow thru with those since I gave my word to help them before this came along.

I'll always be involved with PATHS, supporting affiliates and customers and affiliates and customers for the digital products. This happens to synergize with algae for the brain and in my opinion and experience, makes PATHS more effective - that is very exciting for me.

[Aaron]

@Minoly

Minoly / Patrick - the numbers game will always apply even if it is not intended. When I buy qualified leads and call to make appts - I am strictly playing the numbers game. With Energetic Forum, I was bragging to the top of the company that the members here are so intelligent that the implications and value of this product will be almost common sense to them - especially when they do their research and especially if they see the patent/apps, which they don't want passed around. Everyone has to find it on their own. Anyway, with the members here, the numbers game was the last thing on my mind. I just wanted everyone to see what I saw.

When I saw the pat app, it took me 5 seconds to decide I have a new full time mission. I saw the geometry of the electrodes, other parameters, magnetic fields, etc... and my jaw hit the floor. AND, this is actually something that I can get my hands on??????? It was just common sense from my perspective. That in itself it a miracle!

Anyway, even though there is a 1 case guarantee, I'd hope you use it for at least 3 months because the benefits build.

My results were not miraculous like some people's because I'm in really good health. But my skin is softer, hair and nails growing way faster and they already grew fast, I recently sliced my hand cleaning out a pump on a front loading Bosch washer - was 1 inch long and 1/8 inch deep - lost about 4 tablespoons of blood - within 20-30 minutes, it was already closed up and all the bleeding stopped, I have some benign growth on the side of my leg - had it for the last 15 years or so, it has flattened, lightened and shrank in diameter. I spray it in my eyes and my floaters are disappearing (getting more transparent), about a month ago I got by on 9 hours of sleep over a 60 hour period - was honestly tired but NEVER got the sleep deprivation tired, which is a totally different kind of tired. My sleep is deeper and dreams more vivid and mental function is getting sharper and faster - didn't think I had a problem but everything is getting enhanced.

I have an acquaintance that has her life threatened by something. Something is in high counts in her body. 3 weeks later, it reduced by 25% as the blood test shows and her MD proclaimed it a miracle. This is the ONLY thing she was using. It didn't do it, it got the body to do it

My friend in the advertising industry that works trade shows a lot has to take 4-5 Alieves (spelling) per day (only supposed to take up to 2 from my understanding) because of the sciatica pain and being on her feet all day and walking a few miles on the hard floors. She was taking this for less than 2 weeks, went to a show and took ZERO Alieve - had no pain and woke up without any soreness. Her husband almost cried on the phone when she told him because he knew how significant that was for her!

A friend here in town had suffered from a chronic debilitating problem for the last 3 years - had to struggle to get out of bed from the chronic discomfort and nothing else helped, chelation, etc... you name it - short term relief but nothing lasted. Less than a month, all discomfort gone and he can get out of bed energized. His whole life turned around in a short period of time and he is like a different person.

A 49 year old woman that needed a medical procedure after birth wound up with serious problems. Couldn't bathe or feed herself and never spoke in a full sentence in her entire life. Couple months after taking this, she can do all the above for the first time ever.

I could fill a library with the things people are experiencing. You heard Chris on the phone call - Gulf War Syndrome is completely gone and his open sore on his face closed and scabbed up in something like 10 days flat after spraying this on it topically. I met him about 10 days ago. Nobody can look in his eyes and deny what is happening.

This is not possible with all the dietary supplements available from health food stores, etc... I know, I owned one and sold thousands of supplements. And I worked with many doctors and other practitioners for years and never saw results this fast. I saw some incredible things but nothing like this.

When witnessing these things with my own eyes and especially having personal friends and family members get these results in short times with one single product, I'm going to let people know about it.

When looking at the patent app, anyone with common sense can see why I stated what I stated in the banner. I'm not saying that to you Patrick - that is to those that took it upon themselves to believe I said it was about battery charging, self running motors or hydrogen production.

It is funny actually - those that were into battery charging were convinced I told them it was about battery charging - those into hydrogen production were convinced I said the call was going to be about hydrogen production, etc...

Through the eyes of a carpenter, the whole world is a nail.

Everyone that was deceived took it upon themselves to deceive themselves.