* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Neight]

One one hand, you view of what a pharmaceutical company would do is
unrealistic. They are profitable when people are sick and need their product
over and over. Reversing age related problems is the LAST thing they want
to do.

On the other hand, a pharmaceutical company DID try to buy this out and
were turned down. They were going to go the FDA route for ONE single
application and would have wound up costing thousands of dollars to use
while milking the insurance companies. In my opinion, their real agenda
would be to shelve it.

I have to agree here. The last 9 years of my life were spent doing nothing but taking care of my father who was sick with ALS and Lyme disease. If you have any experience with either of these diseases, you know that the pharmaceutical companies make no attempt to cure anything at all. They live off of the sick staying sick and buying their symptom control products. While my dad lost his fight this past March, my family did endless research into alternative medicine (I nearly became a natural medicine practitioner in the process). The medical community has no interest in curing disease, and they go out of their way to silence products that do have REAL benefits.
the medical field is honestly not any different from the energy field (in many many ways). if something works, the guys in suits come around to try and stop it. this is why the government wants to make it so you have to have a prescription to take supplements....
The medical community would just as soon silence this kind of product, because if it does work as advertised, that is money out of their pockets. Never assume that a company has your best interests at heart. the larger the profit margin is of a company, the more likely they are to cut your throat than help you, if it means more money for them.

[Aaron]

@savvypro

@Aaron

I don't see why my last post was removed, when all I posted was the truth - it was a sales pitch and a bad one at that.

I was up past 4 am in the morning, as I'm in the UK. But I still stayed to the end, to gain the battery secret. Didn’t really care what the call was about as I just wanted the battery secret. Although the call did piqued my curiosity, as I’m now interested in the product.

I understand what you were trying to do marketing wise, only problem is that this whole thing was pulled off badly.

The communication continuity failed miserably.

The content of the call came as a surprise to a lot of people, because the call was positioned badly. This thread in the Renewable Energy section of the forum. The reference to free energy research, in everything from the banner at the top of the forum, to the signup page.

The bonuses were energy related, in post 9 of this thread you state:



It’s not that hard to see why people feel duped. People made assumptions based on all the information that was available to them. No corrections were made - in short: the message to market was way off.

On the call its self, Aaron nice work on the segway (the start where you did the talking before handing over to the first guest). If you had used that as the build up info for the call, things would have been a lot different. But even then you still have the problem of it being a sales pitch for a network marketing product and company.

The call to action was pathetic for a sales pitch. There were too many options: buy a product, join a network marketing company, read an ebook with bonus info that have no relevance to the content of the call. There was no real call to action, no deadline offer/time limit.

The actions compared to the words of the founder don’t match up. If they really wanted to get the product out to the world, then they wouldn’t be charging more than what the majority of this planet could afford - for essentially bottles of water. But that’s a different matter and I’m digressing.

Peter’s testimonial felt forced, it was boring - sounded like he was reading from a prepared statement. Nothing like any of the presentations I’ve seen of him.

If I had done the call, I would have made sure that the message to market was being interpreted correctly. Had a time limited offer to get people to try the product (order a months supply on a 30 day hold, so they could try it - but you would need a company with balls to do the 30 day hold). I wouldn’t mention anything about the network marketing side until after they had tried the product for themselves. It works out better for the next parts.

Anyway, it's time to take off my marketing/strategy/positioning cap off for now as I have other things to do.

On your marketing call offer, I'd be up for the call - always looking to learn new things.

Sitting where I am, I have a bird's eye view of what the results actually are
and I am constantly breaking records out of 28,000 people affiliated with
the company. Documentation speaks for itself.

I do appreciate your analysis but there is a reason for everything. There
were many people on the call that were not members of this forum.
Triathlete groups, meditation groups, etc...

I'm not giving out any more secrets. People are too attached to their own
expectations. Obviously everyone sees things differently. My perspective
is that if I wanted the battery secret, I would have done what it took to
get it and would have been completely unattached to anything in the call.

Obviously some of us feel this was important enough to share with as many
people as fast as possible and I'll do another call for this particular product
for the members of Energetic Forum in the future - and other call topics,
etc... knowing what we know about this product and what it actually is
doing, I have nothing to apologize about.

Some people like Telsaproject has his panties in a bunch so tight he can't
see straight from the anger. It has nothing to do with any form of
marketing or the product. It is about some chip on his shoulder where
he has probably failed in every business venture he ever tried - and
therefore anything offering an opportunity is bad - while he probably works
for a corporation that is a real pyramid plan. It is sad but true, most people
simply have no idea what the reality is although they play into it on a
daily basis. That applies to everyone that has a problem with network
marketing for example, while they have no problem going to a store and
spending money for a product, while multiple people all the way to the
manufacturer are making money on it.

The posts I deleted mention the company name, etc... that is because
if people are going to learn about it, they need to see or hear a
real presentation in the right order and be pointed to my book afterward.
Otherwise, they're not going to know what is going on and will come to
an unintelligent conclusion of it based on a haphazard way of searching
it out themselves.

I don't know what you mean by the communication failing. Please send
me samples of your perfect presentation so I can learn from them. I'll
be waiting.

[citfta]

What did you expect?

I also listened to the call. I don't know how so many people got confused about what to expect. I think Aaron made it clear he was not going to let us know what the subject matter was going to be about. He did offer a nice incentive if we would take the time to listen to the call. I did not have any idea what the call would be about so I listened to it to get the bonus info at the end. He delivered exactly what he said he would. Several years ago my wife and I signed up for some "free" vacations. You had to furnish your own transportation to and from the vacation site. We got to spend 2 or 3 days in a nice home in the mountains or on a lakefront site. We went to these knowing that at some time during our stay we would have to spend and hour or two listening to a salesman trying to sell us a lot we couldn't afford. We got to enjoy a nice vacation for very little cost and all we had to do was spend some time listening to a sales pitch. What Aaron has done is essentially the same thing. No one was forced to call in and listen. If they wanted the free bonus then they were expected to listen to the sales pitch. I also learned about a product that I was totally unaware of. I think the product is a little too high priced for most of us, but if it really does what is claimed then it is probably worth it. If Aaron offers another call like this with a different product and a bonus at the end I will probably do it again.

Carroll

[Mark]

Hi Aaron

I sent you a pm with some questions I have. I hope you will have the time soon to respond. I am doing some research on my own but am having problems getting all my questions answered.

I can understand why some people maybe a little upset because they were expecting something different. But why waste your energy on being upset? If this product is half as good as it sounds it could help so many people. Most people have no idea how important good health is until its gone. I am excited about this product and will be very thankful if I'm able to get the same results as those who spoke on the conference call and I will be more than happy to report on any improvements I see in my health.

Thanks again Aaron and I look forward to your response to my PM.

[Aaron]

details

why do you need my SSN? and is there a better discount for people who keep buying product. what about a money back guarantee? and is there some sort of reassurance or security with our investments?

Everything is secure with the company. If you are joining the business in
the US, it is required because they send a 1099 at the end of the year
and have to report your earnings to the IRS. Every company has to do
that.

Being on autoship as a distributor qualifies your distributorship for the comp plan.

There is a 100% money back guarantee for 1 case. Empty bottle guarantee even! Unhappy after using 1 case, call the company for a refund (minus shipping).

[Aaron]

inffo

I used that method exactly. But if they are a Skype user, like I said they haven't accepted my contact request so they're not really on my list, so I had to call the "mobile" number, which from here is international rate. Which isn't too bad anyway because I bought the skype credits before I heard that it was supposed to be free and I have no other (planned) use for it, so that's ok. First time for me to use skype this way too so learned something there.

The battery secret sounds interesting. I have some of the material mentioned that I swiped from chemistry class in school many years ago I was planning on testing with the HHO cell, so this is good information to have before starting that whole process.

There is a certain energy to the live conference I thought, it's a bit more exciting than just listening to a recording. Maybe it was a good marketing strategy because I suspect that method would get more people enthusiastic, but I won't comment on that either way. People need money and all that nonsense somehow in the meantime, so that's up to them. If they are providing good information then I would rather them be free to research than working 9-5. The only "negative" thing I thought about all this was that it wasn't completely different from the presentation released a few weeks ago, when I was expecting new(er) information.

Anyway, looking forward to what's coming in the future. Thanks for sharing the info in the pdf

Thanks.

I'll have to play with that skype method myself but some people used it successfully.

The battery secret is one of the battery industry's best kept secrets - literally.

One thing many people may have missed is if they due their due diligence on the topic of the call last night, patents or apps, if they are able to make the connections, some of that knowledge is important in fuel research.

[Aaron]

info

I used that method exactly. But if they are a Skype user, like I said they haven't accepted my contact request so they're not really on my list, so I had to call the "mobile" number, which from here is international rate. Which isn't too bad anyway because I bought the skype credits before I heard that it was supposed to be free and I have no other (planned) use for it, so that's ok. First time for me to use skype this way too so learned something there.

The battery secret sounds interesting. I have some of the material mentioned that I swiped from chemistry class in school many years ago I was planning on testing with the HHO cell, so this is good information to have before starting that whole process.

There is a certain energy to the live conference I thought, it's a bit more exciting than just listening to a recording. Maybe it was a good marketing strategy because I suspect that method would get more people enthusiastic, but I won't comment on that either way. People need money and all that nonsense somehow in the meantime, so that's up to them. If they are providing good information then I would rather them be free to research than working 9-5. The only "negative" thing I thought about all this was that it wasn't completely different from the presentation released a few weeks ago, when I was expecting new(er) information.

Anyway, looking forward to what's coming in the future. Thanks for sharing the info in the pdf

Thanks.

I'll have to play with that skype method myself but some people used it successfully.

The battery secret is one of the battery industry's best kept secrets - literally.

One thing many people may have missed is if they due their due diligence on the topic of the call last night, patents or apps, if they are able to make the connections, some of that knowledge is important in fuel research.

[Aaron]

company does not compete with affiliates

Do I feel duped? Maybe,
Was this call worth my time? Definately
Will I try this product? I think so.
Will I purchase from Aaron or one of his marketing associates? No
Why would I when I can go directly to the parent company and buy retail.
Why would I aggree to associate with a product whose parent company would be competing against me for retail sales.
Would you be so kind as to respond Aaron, no disrespect intended, just curious.

Simple answer - the company does not compete with affiliates and requires you to submit an affiliate name or distributor id in order to place an order or join. I have never seen a company in this industry with higher integrity.

On the business side of things - anyone on my team gets benefits of private training that is unavailable to other distributor groups.

[Aaron]

link

Missed up that call lol
is there any hope for the Bat-Secret anyway ?
thanks anyway

pm me for the link

[peacepenguin]

Read the book, check the tech

The eBook that Aaron provided answered the technical questions that I had about the product. I do understand the frustration though. People in the renewable energy forum have a tendency to HATE marketing pitches because they are generally misleading.

All of us know about misleading information. There is a lot of it out there.

HOWEVER Aaron provided a book that details what is really going on in this field, and INCLUDED LINKS to research documentation regarding what is really happening in the body. Take the time to read his book and INVESTIGATE THE SOURCES he used, he references very legitimate sources of information, and most of the links are PEER-REVIEWED and accepted in the scientific community. You'll find recent articles from scientists in Japan and all over the world finding beneficial results from this TYPE of chemistry. Take the 10 minutes to look at the links in the book, you'll be very interested. Whether or not this product really uses that tech is up to you to discover, but please INVESTIGATE THE TECHNOLOGY before discrediting the product and what Aaron and Peter are trying to do.

I was shown a product, cool, who cares about a new wonder drug? The value in this presentation was that it references NEW TECHNOLOGY that is VERY REAL and has some incredible science behind it. More articles regarding this tech are showing up every day. Again, the TECH is REAL. The product however may or may not be.

What’s missing is that you all felt Aaron was trying to push a product. Not the case, he introduced us to a new technology field that is very real that I had never heard of before. Introduction to new tech is why I come to this forum. Isn't that why you're all here too?

[Aaron]

@Elias

in short we are mostly here for freedom and humanitarian purposes not to make money.

Personally I was not expecting a product but knowledge.

All this being said, I appreciate the free ebook you gave us, nevertheless I learned something about cells and their energy mechanisms.

PS I personally believe that if you give patients water and make them believe that it is the fountain of youth they will certainly see that it is. The energy field that does everything is all around us, and water is the medium that moves that energy in the physical universe, that energy can be influenced by beliefs, refer to the memory of water.

Regards
Elias

Elias,

Honestly, what do you do to earn your income?

Knowledge? You learned the most important distinction in the health sciences field of the last 100 years while simultaneously blowing the doors off all the antioxidant scams, etc... The word important is subjective of course - however, results and documentation beat conversation and what this is doing for people is beyond any other single modality, supplement, energy treatment, etc... and is actually quantifiable. Unfortunately, most of what people are experiencing is illegal to spell out.

This is not small amount of information. Do you realize this exact field is the FASTEST growing field in the health sciences field right now? Go to PubMed home type in the first two words of the title of my book and go read it for yourself.

This has made many things obsolete in one single punch - antioxidant products, hydrogen peroxide, ozone treatments, chlorine derivatives that many people are excited about, etc... for the benefits, this is a drop in the bucket. AND, the other side of the equation as well that was always said to be impossible until it was actually done and made available?

This is beyond profound and is a priceless piece of information that everyone is fortunate enough to even hear about. This company is responsible for bringing the science into the public's hands for the first time ever - until that, it has been nothing more than research behind the scenes while never explaining to the public what the truth is to antioxidants - how they're all completely worthless without some very special things.

I believe if there is enough light potential within one person, they can remain that way indefinitely without food and water. Until that is a practical thing, this is the closest thing anyone will be able to get their hands on right now and for years to come. Something you can put in your body that isn't even a nutritional supplement that is more fundamental than stem cells, minerals and vitamins, etc... It is beyond profound when looking deep into the implications of what this is.

[toranarod]

If this product provides what it promises IT will become one of the biggest drugs of dependence we have ever seen. You may not get physically addicted as heroin or speed.
But it will feed one of our greatest desires our EGO. What wouldn’t you do to stay young and healthy? You become a distributor just as any drug dealer does to support his habit. Possibly the best thing you can hope for is it doesn't work.
They know this

I am going for the first Australia distribution license Not funny

I am on the program ?
who doesn't want Money and health ? WHO come on?

[Aaron]

the body can use it

The only question is in regards to if it has been succesfully stabilized in the solution as described in a manner that our body can use, and I sincerely hope it is.

Absolutely - in my book I give 7 points in the back that this product has proven to do that can be legally claimed. I will be happy to send you more information on that. The production of various things it boosts in the body plus making them HUNDREDS of % more effective - prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that not only are they in a form the body can use, they are in a form the body loves to use.

There are many things that are natural to the body - goji berries for example. But our body doesn't have goji berries. Our body has to break it down and it doesn't get everything.

Our product is NATIVE to the body (goes way beyond natural) - in the exact same form that the body produces - there are no digestive or absorption barriers to it.

Also, the VT and VO2MAX tests prove it is effectively being used by the body. Beating the results of illegal doping drugs by hundreds of % is so far above statistical significance - it literally is in a new class.

[Savvypro]

Sitting where I am, I have a bird's eye view of what the results actually are
and I am constantly breaking records out of 28,000 people affiliated with
the company. Documentation speaks for itself.

The following isn't meant to discredit your achievements - it's just to point out a basic fact of this type of business opportunity. As a very small percentage of people actually do anything and make money from business opportunities. 28,000 sounds like a lot but your only competing with about 1 to 2% - to break or set any records.

I do appreciate your analysis but there is a reason for everything. There
were many people on the call that were not members of this forum.
Triathlete groups, meditation groups, etc...

Can't really cover this bit without clearing up a question you had at the end of your post. So I'll cover it at the end.

I'm not giving out any more secrets. People are too attached to their own
expectations. Obviously everyone sees things differently. My perspective
is that if I wanted the battery secret, I would have done what it took to
get it and would have been completely unattached to anything in the call.

Which is what I did, in fact I did a trial run the day before to see if I could stay up till 3 am UK time and test my phone connection. My predial service didn't work so had to get my skype account working.

Obviously some of us feel this was important enough to share with as many
people as fast as possible and I'll do another call for this particular product
for the members of Energetic Forum in the future - and other call topics,
etc... knowing what we know about this product and what it actually is
doing, I have nothing to apologize about.

Well I appreciate what was shared about the product and the battery secret.

Some people like Telsaproject has his panties in a bunch so tight he can't
see straight from the anger. It has nothing to do with any form of
marketing or the product. It is about some chip on his shoulder where
he has probably failed in every business venture he ever tried - and
therefore anything offering an opportunity is bad - while he probably works
for a corporation that is a real pyramid plan. It is sad but true, most people
simply have no idea what the reality is although they play into it on a
daily basis. That applies to everyone that has a problem with network
marketing for example, while they have no problem going to a store and
spending money for a product, while multiple people all the way to the
manufacturer are making money on it.

I've failed a number of times and had some successes as well - each is a learning experience. The failures have taught me the most.

Well I have a problem with network marketing. Your castrated in what you can and can't do, especially when it comes to health related products. It's not a business - its a job. But the biggest problem of all is that you don't own the product, your a sales man/woman at the mercy of the network marketing company.

The posts I deleted mention the company name, etc... that is because
if people are going to learn about it, they need to see or hear a
real presentation in the right order and be pointed to my book afterward.
Otherwise, they're not going to know what is going on and will come to
an unintelligent conclusion of it based on a haphazard way of searching
it out themselves.

My post didn't state the company name nor the website. Although the posts after mine did.

I don't know what you mean by the communication failing.

What I mean by "The communication continuity failed miserably". It's similar to what you were trying to do (I.e: they need to see or hear a
real presentation in the right order). But this covers everything from the lead stage all the way to someone becoming a customer and beyond.

Now to cover the point I said I'll cover at the end - it will also make what I just wrote a bit clearer.

By having multiple groups on the call, you end up trying to cram multiple messages in for different markets (e.g.: messages to markets match) or you just focus on one and everyone else is left wondering how it all relates to them. This is basic old school DM list segmentation.

Please send
me samples of your perfect presentation so I can learn from them. I'll
be waiting.

I'm waiting for them as well - if I had perfect presentations, I wouldn't have any failures, nor would I share them with anyone. So the next best thing is to get yourself on a Dan Kennedy, Jay Abraham or an Agora list and you'll get everything you'll need to model (with out having to spend a penny). Who better to learn from than the horses mouth.

[Aaron]

future calls

And Aaron did live up to everything he said he would do personally. There is also talk of future calls, on a wide range of topics.
I see no reason to be angry. A lot of us (myself included) allowed themselves to make a few assumption. There is a wide range of topics discussed on this forum as a whole. The reason this call was discussed so much more here on the renewable energy sub-forum is because this is where the highest concentration of viewers go.
No one lied to any of us, nor were we promised something that we were not given.
personally, I am looking forward to more calls in the future. I fully expect people to be selling something on every single one of them also. There is a lot of work that goes into setting something like that up, and for many people this is a business. But you can't throw out the baby with the bath water. if there is a chance that you could learn something new, why not take some time to listen?

Thank you for that, I really appreciate it!

This is why I asked Elias what he does for a living. I understand where he's coming from but we give away free stuff all the time including our time. If I was a stock broker or bartender or something as a full time profession and played with the energy technologies casually on the side, I wouldn't concern myself about how I put food on the table so to speak.

Myself and others simply do not have a "regular" job at all - our full time incomes IS from our involvement in the energy technologies, etc... and without earning income from that, we'd become part of the problem instead of the solution.

Plus, the fact that we have spent thousands and thousands of hours on experiments that we have been posting in open source for many years without asking for anything in return - seems to go completely unnoticed by some people.

Anyway, there are some people interested in speaking on conference calls - will be a bit before we can set some of those up.