* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Aaron]

asking others to drink something he won't drink himself

A person can poison themselves by taking vitamins also, if they don't read and follow directions. Same with many pharmaceutical drugs and other things in life if the neccessary precautions aren't taken into account. The thread I created is to do Research so it can be done properly so it's not limited to a small percentage with "deep pockets". The Educational value may also be of benefit in other areas also.

You just trying to protect your investment. All persons giving testimonials about this product has a financial motivation to give it a thumbs up. It may not be anymore than an expensive saline solution.

GB

Typical response from you with your spin.

A vitamin is healthy in a recommended dose. Creating a toxic chlorine stew is toxic in any dose. You are comparing apples and oranges and are exhibiting your typical manipulative spin.

Please don't tell people to do stupid things - not on this forum.

And don't put words in my mouth or pretend to know why I am posting this. Protect my investment? I can't help it that you are so seriously insecure and paranoid that you see an agenda behind everything.

What do you think people are going to use for electrodes? Platinum? Yeah right! If you want to make it yourself, it is because you think you can save money - not spend 10 times as much for the right electrodes and still not be able to make the same product.

You are MISSING THE POINT.

Electrolyzed salt water is nothing new. Has been used to sterilize things for a long time. It is even used to wash clothes and sanitize counters, etc... in Japan for a while. But that is because it is creating reactive oxygen species, the peroxides, hypochlorous acid, etc... those are sterilizing agents.

If you want the benefits of that, don't waste people's time or money to achieve that goal. Anyone can get some food grade hydrogen peroxide, put about 5 drops in a cup of water and drink that a few time a day. You will get those benefits. Plenty of valid protocols on the net for this. About $20 worth of food grade h2o2 will last probably a year or more. I don't remember the cost but I sold it in my health food store but it lasts a LONG time.

This product is NOT THAT. It contains the ROS but also a PERFECT BALANCE of the RS molecules that evolve at the cathode. BOTH together where they don't neutralize themselves (you will not figure that one out - I will stick by that prediction) - so they are in the SAME ratio as what the mitochondria produces. If it is produced without being stabilized, but is balanced, the person will get the benefits, but is it balanced and the exact 16 molecules with some back yard setup and electrodes that will poison you? If not BALANCED, you're wasting your time. Expensive saline solution - yeah, real bright GB. This product boosts the body's glutathione and sod production and catalase enzymes AND increases the effectiveness of them by 500%! Boosts volume of production AND effectiveness. Go electrolyze salt water with your DIY instruction manual with non-platinum electrodes and get those results. You didn't just miss the boat, you missed the whole dock.

If you do not get this perfect balance, you are NOT coming up with the same thing and it will NEVER happen using a junk setup with stainless steel, etc... maybe you can look up what the word INERT means - that is why platinum is used. It won't corrode and therefore will not add or take away from the chemistry of the reaction in the solution.

Stainless steel is NOT stainless. It is only stain resistant. I have plenty of T304 and L316 SS electrodes that are RUSTED because the passivation CAN and WILL break down. I have a stainless steel penergizer from Johann Grander and it RUSTS. Anything metallic that is not inert or anything that is organic will trigger the reaction of the balanced molecules and they will start to neutralize and will turn back into salt water. But of course you already have figured out 16 years of research in one night glancing at a patent app, which doesn't spell out any of the hidden art.

And this is from someone that has never had enough confidence in anything they said to ever attach their real name to it. Nor have they (GB) ever produced evidence of every conducting any experiments - you already admitted you only do "theory" - actually what you do is postulation, hasn't made it to theory yet. Yet, you want to inform others how to DIY redox molecules and experiment on themselves as guinea pigs because you know you're not willing to do it yourself. Real big of you.

[Savvypro]

Savvypro,

I'm not sure they're all so objective but I get your points. Thanks for your comments.

Halbert and Abraham recommend countless people - I don't discount Collier, just that there are many, many people from his era that are recommended by the top dogs in the field and not everyone can or will follow everyone.

And you can see in some of their recommendations that some of the people contradict each other - Elmer Wheeler, sell the sizzle not the steak... and some say you have to sell the steak too, both recommended by the same people. So when they recommend things that contradict each other, I think the lesson is to take the best you can from each - but there are obvious generalities to stick to - you have to simply go with what ever works for you. And everything will be a case by case situation anyway.

The way I see it is to start from where they say, then watch what they actually do. As in many cases, many people who teach marketing - don't practice what they preach. On the contradictions - that's where modern physiological research comes into play. But then again there are a number of people, that the the top dogs just completely skip in mentioning - because its where they get the gold from.

Anyway Savvypro, when something gives good results, it is simply not executed poorly - if it was, the results would be proportionate.

Not quite. I have to treed carefully here as I'm under an NDA for something that I learnt that's related to what I'm about to say. When the product and the market are just right, it's doesn't mater how badly or poorly you execute the marketing/sales process - you'll still get good results.

Documentation beats conversation so the saying goes. But I would absolutely agree that looking at anything from a strict conversion rate, everything has room for improvement. Nothing I have ever done is perfect, if it was, I would have stopped all my efforts years ago because I couldn't get any better.

Kaizen is the goal...

From a motive of the presentation, the thing I was most excited about is for people to see a Stan Meyer/Xogen/etc... hybrid being used to create something for health that happens to be the most significant breakthrough in cellular biology - in history.

I would have gone with the excitement, and how Stan's process has a much more unknown and profound application.

One of the main reasons I've gotten the successes that I've achieved in my ventures is because I remain teachable and am always passionately doing my best to learn from those that have results I want in all areas of life.

Same here. To paraphrase Otto von Bismarck: A smart man learns from his mistakes, but a truly wise man learns from the mistakes of others.

[gravityblock]

EF members have been sold out!

Typical response from you with your spin.

A vitamin is healthy in a recommended dose. Creating a toxic chlorine stew is toxic in any dose. You are comparing apples and oranges and are exhibiting your typical manipulative spin.

Please don't tell people to do stupid things - not on this forum.

And don't put words in my mouth or pretend to know why I am posting this. Protect my investment? I can't help it that you are so seriously insecure and paranoid that you see an agenda behind everything.

What do you think people are going to use for electrodes? Platinum? Yeah right! If you want to make it yourself, it is because you think you can save money - not spend 10 times as much for the right electrodes and still not be able to make the same product.

You are MISSING THE POINT.

Electrolyzed salt water is nothing new. Has been used to sterilize things for a long time. It is even used to wash clothes and sanitize counters, etc... in Japan for a while. But that is because it is creating reactive oxygen species, the peroxides, hypochlorous acid, etc... those are sterilizing agents.

If you want the benefits of that, don't waste people's time or money to achieve that goal. Anyone can get some food grade hydrogen peroxide, put about 5 drops in a cup of water and drink that a few time a day. You will get those benefits. Plenty of valid protocols on the net for this. About $20 worth of food grade h2o2 will last probably a year or more. I don't remember the cost but I sold it in my health food store but it lasts a LONG time.

This product is NOT THAT. It contains the ROS but also a PERFECT BALANCE of the RS molecules that evolve at the cathode. BOTH together where they don't neutralize themselves (you will not figure that one out - I will stick by that prediction) - so they are in the SAME ratio as what the mitochondria produces. If it is produced without being stabilized, but is balanced, the person will get the benefits, but is it balanced and the exact 16 molecules with some back yard setup and electrodes that will poison you? If not BALANCED, you're wasting your time. Expensive saline solution - yeah, real bright GB. This product boosts the body's glutathione and sod production and catalase enzymes AND increases the effectiveness of them by 500%! Boosts volume of production AND effectiveness. Go electrolyze salt water with your DIY instruction manual with non-platinum electrodes and get those results. You didn't just miss the boat, you missed the whole dock.

If you do not get this perfect balance, you are NOT coming up with the same thing and it will NEVER happen using a junk setup with stainless steel, etc... maybe you can look up what the word INERT means - that is why platinum is used. It won't corrode and therefore will not add or take away from the chemistry of the reaction in the solution.

Stainless steel is NOT stainless. It is only stain resistant. I have plenty of T304 and L316 SS electrodes that are RUSTED because the passivation CAN and WILL break down. I have a stainless steel penergizer from Johann Grander and it RUSTS. Anything metallic that is not inert or anything that is organic will trigger the reaction of the balanced molecules and they will start to neutralize and will turn back into salt water. But of course you already have figured out 16 years of research in one night glancing at a patent app, which doesn't spell out any of the hidden art.

And this is from someone that has never had enough confidence in anything they said to ever attach their real name to it. Nor have they (GB) ever produced evidence of every conducting any experiments - you already admitted you only do "theory" - actually what you do is postulation, hasn't made it to theory yet. Yet, you want to inform others how to DIY redox molecules and experiment on themselves as guinea pigs because you know you're not willing to do it yourself. Real big of you.

You're automatically assuming that a toxic chlorine stew will be produced by those who decide to do this themselves. I never said to use stainless steel, but according to you, this is what people will use if they do it themselves. This is the purpose of having a discussion on how to DIY, so it can be done properly. I never told anyone to produce a toxic chlorine stew so they can ingest it ( I never told anyone to do this sort of thing, as you're suggesting I did). In fact, there are devices already on the market which utilize electrolysis through patented platinum bonded titanium electrodes inside a water cell along with being able to control the pH. Here's a brochure on such a device, which utilizes the most advanced platinum-titanium electrodes in the world. This system is a little pricey, but there are cheaper alternatives available also. Comparing the price of this system to the price of a one year supply through the MLM scheme is the break-even point. If this product is as good as everyone is saying it is, then wouldn't you want a life-time supply of this (for you and the rest of your family or loved ones)? Compare the amount of money you would spend in 2, 5, 10, or 20 years of buying this product through the MLM at it's current price, then compare it to doing it yourself with the appropriate equipment. I don't want to hear how you can get it for free if you find five other people. People will run away the moment they think you want to make money off of them. Besides, most of them will drop out without any involvement within the first month.

Alkaline Water Ionizers originated in Russia in the late 1960’s. Reports emerged of life changing water that was easy to produce and had amazing taste and effects. The Japanese with their macrobiotic history and knowledge of pH immediately recognized how this water could assist our health. The Jupiter Science Aquarius (same link as above) employs computer accurate, selectable magnetic energy to perform electrolysis through patented platinum bonded titanium electrodes inside a water cell. A little modification to this or a similar device is all that is needed. EF MEMBERS HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT!

I never admitted anywhere that I only do "theory". I have done many experiments and replications on the various forums. There is no reason for me to attach my real name to anything I do on these forums, because I'm not selling anything like you are. I want others to know that it may be possible to produce a safe and stable form of redox molecules themselves at a fraction of the cost. The concentrations of the 16 molecules is controlled by the parameters chosen, such as temperature and voltage.

GB

[Aaron]

gravity block anonymous fraud

You're automatically assuming that a toxic chlorine stew will be produced by those who decide to do this themselves. I never said to use stainless steel, but according to you, this is what people will use if they do it themselves. This is the purpose of having a discussion on how to DIY, so it can be done properly. I never told anyone to produce a toxic chlorine stew so they can ingest it ( I never told anyone to do this sort of thing, as you're suggesting I did).

It takes a miniscule amount of common sense to know that almost nobody is going to do this right and will use electrodes that will contaminate the batch. You're preaching from zero experience of knowing anything about redox signaling and suddenly you know how to guide people in this process. That is completely laughable.

What is more laughable is that you will have people convinced they are producing the same thing when in reality, even with platinum electrodes, they're going to be producing an unbalanced sanitizing agent and this has absolutely nothing to do with replicating the 16 molecules in this product, which are balanced (stabilization is irrelevant for point of use) and in the same proportion to each other like what the mitochondria produces.

What you're doing is the same as looking at the Bedini chargers, trying to teach someone to charge a cap or put a spike to the battery and suddenly you are an expert on how the battery chargers. That is beyond silly but this is exactly what you're doing here.

If I didn't want people to experiment with anything along these lines, I wouldn't be suggesting it in my book to start with using electrolyzed water on plants that don't grow food, etc... people have to learn to walk before they can run - especially if it is something they're going to be ingesting at some point.

You already admitted that your "theory" is a valid contribution even without the experiments - I never said it wasn't but when you start insulting people for not believing the same as you, and you stay anonymous, that is a pretty cowardly thing to do - especially when you want people to drink something that you don't make yourself. Your insults have come to an end.

[occy30]

My only complaint is the price. Families all across the globe are struggling to survive and pay their mortgages (and sadly a lot are failing). I could never try to sell this to anyone even if I was sure of it's affects. Hell, I do all right in paying my bills and I still can't justify the price just to try it out. I worry that there is a money trail to the top of this scheme and somebody is making a fortune. I would rather discuss how to do this ourselves so we free ourselves from any outside need (as I thought this forum was all about).

Just my opinion, and I wish everyone luck with this.

[occy30]

By the way, how does this taste? That doesn't seem to get mentioned much.

[toranarod]

my point exactly

My only complaint is the price. Families all across the globe are struggling to survive and pay their mortgages (and sadly a lot are failing). I could never try to sell this to anyone even if I was sure of it's affects. Hell, I do all right in paying my bills and I still can't justify the price just to try it out. I worry that there is a money trail to the top of this scheme and somebody is making a fortune. I would rather discuss how to do this ourselves so we free ourselves from any outside need (as I thought this forum was all about).

Just my opinion, and I wish everyone luck with this.

The rich and wealthy will stay healthy and the poor will die. this is the one big crime I can see coming from this stuff. Its already to expansive for some. you health should not be controlled by your economic position.
Then what? How do I get more? How do Fund my need to stay healthy.
You become a distributor just as any drug dealer does to support his habit

[Aaron]

Gravityblock Disinformation Agent

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Here's a brochure on such a device, which utilizes the most advanced platinum-titanium electrodes in the world. This system is a little pricey, but there are cheaper alternatives available also. Comparing the price of this system to the price of a one year supply through the MLM scheme is the break-even point.

That is a good unit - I used to want one - that is a budget version of the Kangen water unit that is the best on the market. However, it is fairly delusional to believe this is creating BALANCED redox signaling molecules like what the mitochondria produces. These units have nothing to do producing any sodium or chlorine species like what the mitochondria produce either.

Your posts prove you are out of your league - self evident by convincing people that this machine is creating 16 different molecules. I'll leave your posts here for the record to show how even though you read a patent app for this product, you are convincing people that they can buy this machine and make it for the rest of their lives - it doesn't even use the same ingredients/molecules/atoms! You seem to not have a single clue as to what you are actually saying.

" Pure water selection (non-ionized) can be important if you or visitors are on an acid-based drug regimen. Although alkaline micro clustered water helps the absorption of many supplements and reduces the dosage requirement, it may affect drugs that are designed to be taken with acid or neutral water." That is from the product brochure - our redox signaling molecules product is 100% non toxic with ZERO contraindications for any medicines. Again, you are leading people to hurt themselves by not knowing what you're taking about. If people use non-ionized, it is just purified water and if it is the alkaline water - it can interfere with people's meds. Nowhere in this product are various clorine derivatives, etc... being created like what the mitochondria produce.

This machine can produce some oxygenated water and even some antioxidant water, which is ok when consumed immediately, but learn how to read the science, most of that antioxidant water is completely worthless inside the body without the right ROS immune system communicators and the RS molecules which are needed to ACTIVATE the antioxidants to begin with. Without the RS molecules the only antioxidants from the water that can be activated are proportionate to the free rs molecules the mitochondria produce - and how many are going to be available when they are ALREADY in matched pairs to the ROS the same mitochondria produce????? Good job though on getting people to unbalance their chemistry.

Our product has an incredible abundance of RS and ROS - matched in a balance so that other antioxidants can actually be activated without taking away from the small amount of rs and ros the mitochondria produce that are necessary to activate the glutathione and sod!

But you want people to consume an exogenous antioxidant that can neutralize ONE single free radical and turn into a free radical itself (just a lesser or weaker evil) then it is done.

While if you let the natural rs and ros activate glutathione and sod together with the catalase enzyem, one natural ONE SINGLE NATURAL ONE will neutralize up to 70,000 in ONE SECOND.

So let's see, 1 versus 70,000. And you want to load the body with negatively charged WATER so that the rs molecules will go to activating those instead of our natural endogenous antioxidants. Good thinking - NOT!

And this is the most advanced platinum electrodes in the world - because the brochure says so. And they're using flat plates - sorry but you're expecting everyone here to have just fallen off a turnip truck. If you want to actually use platinum electrodes to experiment with, you actually need to have them UNATTACHED TO A MACHINE!

I actually know who you and your pilot friend is who likes to pretend to be unrelated to you while posting messages applauding your posts - I used to live in Dayton, Ohio / Wright Patterson AFB - stop the insults, some ou.com members know who you are too. And again, stop directing people's attention away from the truth - yeah, buy a $1300 water unit and you're creating 16 different redox signaling molecules in balance.

You are the same as the character in the story 1984. He holds up x amount of fingers and tries to tell them it is a different number than is really there.

[Mark]

Well I just ordered some and I'll let the product speak for itself. I'll be happy to let people know what I think about the product if they're interested. I ordered today so hopefully I'll have it in a week and will use it for at least 60 days.

Aaron does it take longer than a week to recieve after ordering? I'll give you a call with some questions I have after I've read all the material. Normally I probably wouldn't spend this kind of money for a heath product but I dont believe that you or Peter would put your reputations on the line if this was a scam.

If I start to see some results after 30 days I plan on jumping on this opportunity. This could be just what I've been looking for.

Thanks again Aaron
Mark

[minoly]

Alright, just received my bottles today
nice package - bottle has the look of healthy life.

ready to begin testing...
consumed my first 2oz right out of the box will do so again tonight.
tastes like water, I would not exactly call it salty, kind of "minerally"?

Aaron, I seem to remember some recommended time of day or do not eat before or after or consume any other liquid recommendations. I can not find that info. again, do you mind posting or PM?



Patrick

[Aaron]

taste and price issues

By the way, how does this taste? That doesn't seem to get mentioned much.

Like slightly chlorinated water with a hint of hydrogen peroxide.

The price is completely comparable to the popular antioxidant juices. The difference is that with this product, your body can actually use it.

Those juices are not doing little to nothing in the way of their antioxidant claims because the body cannot use them without the rs molecules. I admit they have good nutrients and if you want to talk expensive THOSE are expensive to pay for nutrients without actually benefiting from the antioxidants. I used to own a vitamin store. I had plenty of juices for $30-40 per bottle and those were 1 week supplies. That was different goji, noni and other juices. Not the MLM ones, but doesn't matter, the price difference was insignificant. Our product for what it does is actually a bargain.

@anyone that sees money as an issue...

This company offers an opportunity for people to better themselves financially if they want. Anyone that wants to get out of their financial situation if they are unhappy can simply choose to do whatever it takes to make things happen. I can tell you if money was an issue for me and I didn't know how to do business, I'd be collecting cans or doing whatever it took (that is legal and ethical) to put food on the table. And if my life depended on it, I would find a way to purchase this product.

If I had a Ferrari F-50 and offered it for $5k USD, just about everyone that has an issue with the price on this product would come up with $5k by the end of the same day. It usually isn't the price that is the issue, it is the question, is it worth that much to me on a monthly basis? If it is yes, people find a way to get it, it is that simple. When there is a deep enough burning desire to accomplish something - people find a way. Read Think & Grow Rich and take it to hear - it is free - I posted a link.

I know it is easier said than done, but I do have room to speak - I had many years of income that were only $3-4k per year throughout my teenage years and into my 20's. I'm talking about coming up with an average of a few hundred dollars per month and believing that for a while that I'll never be able to earn a full time income - and I was only hoping for about $2k per month - that would have been a lot of money - I could have gotten my own apartment, paid off my credit cards (which my mother cosigned for me because I couldn't even qualify for them myself) and I was brainwashed into believing that I had to use my credit cards into order to have good credit.

I could only get work at temp agencies and I attempted to get so many full times jobs but just didn't get hired but I didn't give up. I couldn't collect unemployment because I didn't really pay into it. Didn't qualify for social security - never paid much into it and am not disabled. I would have been on the streets if it wasn't for my parents letting me stay at their home.

For many months in my early 20's, I actually lived in my friend's car (didn't even own one my own at that time)! That was in Japan off the base when I was in a "transition" a few years after highschool (on the base). I know exactly what it is like to scrape by not even know how I was going to eat. I had to scrounge up change just so I could use a coin operated shower in order to clean up. Thankfully, I had some good friends that did help me out as a last resort but for the most part, my struggle with this on a psychological basis was very difficult.

What did it for me was that I was sick and tired of being sick and tired - that was a couple years after I got back to the states and was staying at my parents house - broke and nowhere to go and could only get meaningless part time jobs. I decided to plant my feet in this town and with IMMOVABLE faith in God I KNEW that things were unfolding for me.

Joined two of the most popular mlm companies, completely failed in both. Finally, someone that knew better that cared enough about my own financial success basically pried my head out of you know where so I could see the light and stop buying my own excuses and turned me onto the fact that I had self sabotaging thinking patterns in a big way and that I was broke and remained so because my thinking was broke.

I don't believe in sympathy because I think it is inauthentic. However, I do empathize with people from the heart because I know what it feels like from a plenty of experience being there.

But if money is an issue now for anyone, it will be an issue in 5 years from now unless changes are made NOW of what someone is doing. I wouldn't make this product a priority just to take it unless I think someone REALLY needs it but there are other issues in one's life that needs to be addressed that are probably other priorities.

If someone has no money and needs health issues addressed, practice QIGONG by a qualified teacher. It is simply one of the most powerful things that any human being can dedicate time to. There are many "by donation" Qigong classes around the country - $5 per class or nothing at all - and there are no hard feelings. Many of these classes are in public parks, etc... People in wheelchairs or even bedridden patients can practice Qigong. Nobody has a valid excuse to not address their health if they don't have money.

And I would practice the methods in my Synchronicity document that I posted - it is free and gives a method that has resulted in countless testimonials from people from all over the world stating that it not only makes more sense than any loa method they have read, but the results actually happen and things line up for them like they haven't experienced before. It probably isn't the best method but it works for me, I shared it and others agree. Use that method to see a healthy body into being - and coupled with Qigong that can be learned for free, people have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I'm not guaranteeing results for anyone because I have no control over people's work ethic when it comes to practicing things so I just have to be realistic.

Just because this product costs what it does and some people have a problem with it, saying this isn't what Energetic Forum is about when we have contributed many hours of our time and information on our projects to everyone without asking anything in return, I think is very unfair and is intellectually dishonest. Sorry, but just because one thing here is currently difficult to purchase by some doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the forum. Some people can't spent $1700 for a rejuvenator at teslachargers.com and that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with us, teslachargers or this forum - but by going with some people's logic, we would have to stop selling those in order to be honest people.

If someone wants to earn money and don't have money to invest, sell digital products online and develop a sustainable campaign. There are products at A & P Electronic Media - Digital Publishing by Aaron Murakami & Peter Lindemann and White Dragon Press - Digital Publishing by Aaron Murakami free program to join and people ARE making money 7 days a week with our system.

I have a friend here and his wife just moved here for the Philippines, making 2 sales per month of A Course in Mind Power earns $50 for the affiliate. Do you realize how much $50 per month is in the PI? That is the difference between eating or starving or having an apartment or living on the streets.

Basically, I know that money is not a valid excuse - it was one of my biggest ones in the past. I wish there were free affiliate programs back when I didn't have money to do anything. Everyone has time to put a few hours a week into honest effort. Nobody can say that don't have time either. Everyone has 24 hours in a day - it is what we choose to do with the time available that makes the difference.

If someone puts a couple hours per week of honest effort into building an online campaign to sell an ebook, they can make a few hundred per month part time. What can a few hundred dollars per month do for someone that really needs money? AND, without spending any money to do it - just some time.

There are free autoresponders at Bravenet, free article submission sites, etc... all the tools are available online for someone to come in with $0 and just some time and create a self running business that generates income on a regular basis and valuable skills are learned along the way. I can point people in the right direction for anyone that wants to learn bad enough but I'm a tough coach - I keep people accountable to what they say they're going to do and if they don't I stop working with them. My time is spent with those that deserve it.

I also help my affiliates in a way that almost no other digital publishers do but I'm not spelling it out here. It is something that will have most digital publishers shaking in their boots if their own affiliates found out what I was doing. I'm one of the few people that make my affiliates money for them even if they're not putting in effort at a later time. That is because contrary to some of the psychobabble going around here recently, I actually care about my affiliates, sometimes too much and too generously - I know what it means to them and it is my way of giving back. I do most of the work and I simultaneously give most of it back to the affiliates.

PATHS is a great opportunity too but you do have to be on at least one paid module yourself and if anyone is interested let me know.

Bottom line: money is an excuse but not a logically valid reason because there are ways to make money without having any. And if anyone wants to get something started, contact me through White Dragon Press. This can generate the funds in order to get involved with the health product company for anyone that is in that dire need of money for the product or opportunity, money to use PATHS if desired, money to pay bills, whatever, up to everyone what they want to do.

[Aaron]

results

Well I just ordered some and I'll let the product speak for itself. I'll be happy to let people know what I think about the product if they're interested. I ordered today so hopefully I'll have it in a week and will use it for at least 60 days.

Aaron does it take longer than a week to recieve after ordering? I'll give you a call with some questions I have after I've read all the material. Normally I probably wouldn't spend this kind of money for a heath product but I dont believe that you or Peter would put your reputations on the line if this was a scam.

If I start to see some results after 30 days I plan on jumping on this opportunity. This could be just what I've been looking for.

Thanks again Aaron
Mark

Thanks Mark, call anytime.

It is shipped from Utah so depending on where you live, anywhere in the states for example should be by Thursday or Friday at the latest. I usually get mine in about 3 days.

60 days is a good time to test it.

Do you happen to have anything serious you are addressing? If you're already in good health, your results will not be as fantastic as people that have the most serious conditions. My results were not that miraculous even though many things are happening for me - what I'm seeing with some of my older friends and family are quite profound actually.

[Aaron]

new thread

I'm going to carry the conversation over here for the actual science because it could get confusing for new people coming to this thread with a name of an event that already expired:

http://www.energeticforum.com/health...molecules.html

I may move some relevant posts. If anyone wants to keep posting in this thread about the event itself, that will be truly on topic.

thanks

[Aaron]

how to take it

Alright, just received my bottles today
nice package - bottle has the look of healthy life.

ready to begin testing...
consumed my first 2oz right out of the box will do so again tonight.
tastes like water, I would not exactly call it salty, kind of "minerally"?

Aaron, I seem to remember some recommended time of day or do not eat before or after or consume any other liquid recommendations. I can not find that info. again, do you mind posting or PM?



Patrick

Hi Patrick, that was quick. Yes, very beautiful packaging.

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Yes, not salty because it really isn't "salt water" anymore. And having it reach your place and remain that way borders on profound from a scientific standpoint because it isn't supposed to be possible.

First thing upon waking up, take 2 ounces on an empty stomach and don't mix it with anything - not even water. Wait 10 minutes before eating or drinking anything.

Repeat this before dinner on before sleep on an empty stomach.

Never let any saliva or anything touch the cap or inside the rim of the bottle - it will activate the reaction and neutralize the bottle.

The caps are 1/2 ounce so 4 caps are a single 2 ounce serving.

Only use glass when drinking - never use metal, that will speed neutralization.

For topical use, only use the spray bottle that comes in the case. Fill it up and spray as needed. Never use other bottles because they may have metal springs in them and that metal will activate the molecules and neutralize the liquid in the bottle.

Some people are more relaxed on their protocol, but this is my personal one that I recommend.

[Aaron]

can't afford

The rich and wealthy will stay healthy and the poor will die. this is the one big crime I can see coming from this stuff. Its already to expansive for some. you health should not be controlled by your economic position.
Then what? How do I get more? How do Fund my need to stay healthy.
You become a distributor just as any drug dealer does to support his habit

Now that is something I can't afford to buy.