* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Mark]

Thanks Mark, call anytime.

It is shipped from Utah so depending on where you live, anywhere in the states for example should be by Thursday or Friday at the latest. I usually get mine in about 3 days.

60 days is a good time to test it.

Do you happen to have anything serious you are addressing? If you're already in good health, your results will not be as fantastic as people that have the most serious conditions. My results were not that miraculous even though many things are happening for me - what I'm seeing with some of my older friends and family are quite profound actually.

I'm almost 50 now so I have quite a few old injuries, loosing hair, age spots, high blood pressure, insomnia, gall bladder problems, low energy. I've been a vegitarian for 7 months now trying to get healthier. I ordered 4 cases and plan on giving some to a couple of people I know that are hurting to see if they can get some relief so I'll get a couple of reviews. Has anyone that is diabetic noticed any positive changes with their sugar levels?

[toranarod]

I'm almost 50 now so I have quite a few old injuries, loosing hair, age spots, high blood pressure, insomnia, gall bladder problems, low energy. I've been a vegitarian for 7 months now trying to get healthier. I ordered 4 cases and plan on giving some to a couple of people I know that are hurting to see if they can get some relief so I'll get a couple of reviews. Has anyone that is diabetic noticed any positive changes with their sugar levels?

I am in the same boat.
if this stuff can help can you imagine people will do anything to get there hands on it.
there needs to be another manufacture to create a healthy market place .

I purchased it for the same reasons. even if there is a chance when you are this age you would do any thing to make life better. I don't want to be held for ransom because of my health needs.
What wouldn’t you do to stay young and healthy? You become a distributor just as any drug dealer does to support his habit.
the baby boomers have all the money and will spend it on this no questions asked. Can you see what is about to unfold.

[Aaron]

@Mark

I'm almost 50 now so I have quite a few old injuries, loosing hair, age spots, high blood pressure, insomnia, gall bladder problems, low energy. I've been a vegitarian for 7 months now trying to get healthier. I ordered 4 cases and plan on giving some to a couple of people I know that are hurting to see if they can get some relief so I'll get a couple of reviews. Has anyone that is diabetic noticed any positive changes with their sugar levels?

Hi Mark,

Out of curiosity, do you have an alternative source for B12, which is normally in good amounts only in red meats? I take Klamath lake blue green algae which has an ok amount for a plant source. Methylcobalamin (most bio available b12) sublingual tabs are fairly inexpensive and is really need by most vegetarians. You probably already know this but I like to bring it up because many vegetarians don't get enough b12.

Friend here has 145 blood sugar levels normally. In the last one month, for the first time, they are at 120 very consistently. She also has a large painful red blotch on her right shin about 3x6 inches big that is shrinking more and more every day that I see her. I obviously can't make claims for this product but this product is supporting her body to do what it is designed to do. Those are pretty quick results.

In each case is an empty little spray bottle, can fill it up and use topically. Friend here has used this since December, was bald on top and some people I know call him their Chia pet - his hair grew back quite a bit already (from areas where no hair grew before) and his gray is turning black. The hair stuff like this is a longer process and takes months but it happens. I always thought gray hair was just a mineral deficiency, but after talking to a pathologist friend that has been involved with many studies and has has written papers on catalase, I researched and found that a lack of catalase enzyme will cause hair to turn gray. This product seriously boosts the catalase enzyme. Boosting the catalase enzyme is something we can legally discuss.

Age spots are disappearing or drastically getting lighter - especially from the backs of the hands of countless people. This seems to be one of the most common things that happens in 2 months or less. My mom had sun damage spots on her hands all my life (38 years), I can hardly see those spots anymore (almost 3 months later). I believe from the massive boost in quantity and efficiency of the glutathione/sod/catalase. Glutathione can flush that stuff right out of the skin since it converts toxins and other things that are oxidized into an excretable form and it gets dumped out in the urine. We can discuss the increase in quantity and effectiveness of glutathione and sod as well.

[elias]

I'm almost 50 now so I have quite a few old injuries, loosing hair, age spots, high blood pressure, insomnia, gall bladder problems, low energy. I've been a vegitarian for 7 months now trying to get healthier. I ordered 4 cases and plan on giving some to a couple of people I know that are hurting to see if they can get some relief so I'll get a couple of reviews. Has anyone that is diabetic noticed any positive changes with their sugar levels?

Mark,

I have not talked so much about these things, in the last couple of years, but ... What I have discovered is that the state of our vision reflects the state of our health. The more vibrant and colorful we see the more health we will have.

Now one of the geniuses of our time was Dr Bates, which has not been mentioned so much, but he discovered how to cure ANY type of dis-ease by simple mind exercises, and of course just like any method it requires COMMITMENT. It's main objective is to relax the mind. It teaches the mind to keep in a meditative state, allowing all types of cure to be manifested.

The most interesting fact is that this person knew almost nothing about meditation and yoga or any other self healing method, but developed the best tools to relax the mind, and body, therefore regain perfect vision. He was living in the 1900s.

Now for more info visit iblindness.org - Home - The Bates Method of Natural Vision Improvement,

Elias

[Aaron]

health comments

I am in the same boat.
if this stuff can help can you imagine people will do anything to get there hands on it.
there needs to be another manufacture to create a healthy market place .

I purchased it for the same reasons. even if there is a chance when you are this age you would do any thing to make life better. I don't want to be held for ransom because of my health needs.

the baby boomers have all the money and will spend it on this no questions asked. Can you see what is about to unfold.

What do you mean another manufacturer to create a healthy marketplace? These products are in the health care field while conventional medicine is not health care, it sick care. Please let me know if this is what you're talking about - sounds interesting!

Thankfully, I'm don't have age related problems only being 38 right now but I am willing to invest wisely in my health to prevent many problems that could occur. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I haven't popped open a regular soda pop (diabetes and osteoporosis prevention) like Coke, etc... for almost 15 or so years now...same as not adding white processed sugar (diabetes prevention) to anything in the same time and I haven't bought a loaf of white bread (diabetes, colon cancer, etc... prevention) also in the last 15 years. I'll eat some things with some processed sugar or something made from white flour once in a while but it is not something that I eat as a part of my regular diet. I do my best to avoid anything with high fructose corn syrup (permanently damages villi in the intestines and causes obesity and diabetes, etc...), food colorings (cancer), artificial sweeteners (cancer and countless others), etc... Just mentioning this because there are many things we can do if money is an issue to adjust our diet.

At my health food store, over the years, I literally sold tons of whole wheat flour, wheat berries if someone wants to grind it themselves, bulk flax seeds, etc... there isn't much of a difference in price to eat healthy or eat the processed nutritionally deficient foods and in many cases it is less expensive to eat healthier - especially if we're willing to take a little more time to prepare the foods (homemade bread, etc...). For the average family, a breakmaker is one of the top 10 ways to save money (can't afford one? use a hand grinder or buy the flour and use a bread pan in the oven - takes a bit of time but way healthier and way less expensive), while making healthier bread for less than what you can buy at the store. I'm not a big bread eater - don't eat a lot of grains in general but I do make my own bread once in a while.

The main valid argument that healthy food cost more than unhealthy food is in the produce isles at a grocery store or organic beef, etc... the food around the perimeter of the store is about the only safe place to shop, everything in the middle is boxed or canned dead food.

Even organic produce, etc... hasn't shown to give great benefits over non-organic food I would have to admit - there hasn't been a long enough time or enough real studies to show the benefit. I buy organic because I don't want trace pesticides, etc... However, the greatest difference in health when it comes to food is processed versus unprocessed.

If anyone wants to get a powerful foundation on food and health, probably THE most important book every written on the subject is Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price. A doctor that I worked with that was friends with Linus Pauling said this should be required reading for anyone that is interested in nutrition. Shows how in a VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, indigenous cultures that had processed food introduced suddenly had all kinds of problems. Their children started abnormal bone growth in their jaws, crooked teeth, etc...

Basically, processed foods mutate your dna and it is passed to children. But it clears up in later generations if the processed food is removed. DNA can heal itself. Contrary to the fraudulent "genetic" myth, only 2% of problems are truly genetic such as cystic fibrosis, downs syndrome, etc...

But diabetes, heart disease, etc... mostly bogus when doctors convince their patience it is all about their genes, the main thing of importance that is passed down is lifestyle and diet - habits basically - (usually). When those are changed, eventually, the genes correct themselves and suddenly the diabetes and heart diseases disappear. The whole "genetic" fraud is perpetrated so that people feel they are not responsible for their own health - "I got this from my mom" or "I got this from my dad" that is the easy way the average person wants so it isn't their fault or responsibility and they don't have to change their diet, etc... they feel doomed, accept the problem and feed the sick care system for the rest of their lives because they "can't do anything about it."

By the way, redox signaling molecules extend the telomere's length, perhaps not directly but from what they stimulate in the body. Good article to explain this in regards to mutli vitamins but good explanation of what telomeres are: Multivitamins Extend Telomere Length – and Therefore Lifespan Potential | Health and Wellness News

Basically, lifespan can be extended beyond the theoretical limit of 120 years. I would LOVE to live 120 and beyond IF the quality of my life was health and happy. The redox signaling works at a foundation level that vitamins, minerals, etc... cannot touch and accounting for this, I think the human lifespan limit can and will become record breaking thanks to this breakthrough science.

If this product does what is claimed, and there are tens of thousands that are showing not just subjective results but objective ones as well like age spots disappearing - and company is very new, people will definitely see the value of paying what it costs. But it is relatively very inexpensive insurance.

My closest mentor died a few years back and spent the last couple years in an elderly care home and suffered from dementia - cost his family up to $8000 USD per MONTH the entire time he was there - draining a very substantial amount of money. Insurance didn't cover very much of that - it came out of their pockets. Fortunately for them, he was pretty successful with his ventures and made some good money so it didn't come out of their pockets - just so a lot of it could be spent to prolong the agony and delay the inevitable.

If something would have cost $1000 per month to take and it prevented the dementia, it would have been the cheapest insurance in the world.

I'm not sure what is "about to unfold" in terms of seeing it as a bad thing. People have options and it is a blessing that they do. Someone can spend a few hundred per month on chelation therapy to help some things and prevent others and many baby boomers have been doing this for many years now already. There are many things already available that cost more than average supplements and have been available for a long time. So, with this product, the concept of baby boomers or anyone else spending the money to do things to get some relief, etc... is not a new thing. It just happens that this particular product is in a category all by itself and is comparatively prices to many things on the market. This product didn't change anything in regards to the above, it is only a different modality that appears to work better, faster.

[Aaron]

vision

What I have discovered is that the state of our vision reflects the state of our health. The more vibrant and colorful we see the more health we will have.

Elias, there is a lot of truth to that. Not just our health but our perception of the world, self esteem, etc...

I would highly recommend that anyone that wants to look into natural vision therapies to better our vision and our outlook on life check out these three books, they're awesome!

Light - Medicine of the Future by Jacob Liberman, O.D., PhD

Take Off Your Glasses and See, A Mind/Body Approach to Expanding Your Eyesight and Insight - also by Liberman

The Power Behind Your Eyes by Robert-Michael Kaplan

The redox signaling molecules are so non-toxic by the way, people are using it for eyewash or drops and are reporting floaters disappearing or at least becoming more transparent.

[rotator]

have a few questions about the product, due to some posts about self making the product, as it would be cheaper in the long run to have a 20 year supply.

first, does the product need to be used after the benefits have been gained, e.g. no pain, feeling healthy hair regrowth e.t.c.

my belief at the moment until its been cleared up, is that the product would not need to be re-used until sometime in the future when the lasting results of the age reversal naturally are reduced due the normal aging process,
unless for some reason it's only an age reversal product only as long as one continues it's use.

[elias]

The redox signaling molecules are so non-toxic by the way, people are using it for eyewash or drops and are reporting floaters disappearing or at least becoming more transparent.

Hi Aaron

I hate to say this, because I don't want to reject your idea about floaters, that it might have an effect.

I noticed floaters insider my eyes about 7 years ago, and that was becoming a real annoyance to me, as it just kept popping up while I was reading or working with the computer.

Then I started searching, joining forums, meeting doctors, etc to find a solution to the problem, after seeing no use in all of that I discovered Bates.At first i was skeptical. You know I said to myself how is that the whole world thinks one way, and doctor Bates tells us that floaters are the result of mental strain. I couldn't believe him then, because I believed that floaters are real things in the eyeball. As time passed on and I used bates method and imagination to improve my vision, I started to understand eye problems, are related to an imbalance and disconnection of "EYES" from the mind, and in order to see perfectly again one must reconnect MIND which its center is in the back of the neck, with eyes.

Floaters do exist in every eyeball, and it is a shame that some people try to remove them by using laser. They are not seen when the mind is relaxed and centered. I discovered that by maintaining your focus on the 6th chakra on the forehead, while looking they disappear.

I truly recommend the Bates method to those seeking a better life. As I have come to understand, vision exists of all levels, of one's being, from the lowest earth chakras to the highmost spiritual chakras. One will see when he/she sees from his/her whole being.

Improving vision is highly affected by affirmations, Just give an empty set of glasses to a myopic person and he will suddenly be able to read by putting on those empty glasses, by only believing that the glasses will make him see more clearly.

Elias

BTW: Thanks for the books I will take a look on them.

[Aaron]

long lasting effects

have a few questions about the product, due to some posts about self making the product, as it would be cheaper in the long run to have a 20 year supply.

first, does the product need to be used after the benefits have been gained, e.g. no pain, feeling healthy hair regrowth e.t.c.

my belief at the moment until its been cleared up, is that the product would not need to be re-used until sometime in the future when the lasting results of the age reversal naturally are reduced due the normal aging process,
unless for some reason it's only an age reversal product only as long as one continues it's use.

If this product reversed 100% of every problem someone had and they stopped taking it, their body isn't going to suddenly revert back to a damaged one. They will simply have extended their lifespan and quality of life by whatever length of time. They will enjoy the benefits of the rejuvenation.

I personally plan to take it for the rest of my life because even if I have zero health problems, this allows me to operate at a peak above and beyond what is possible from the quantity of redox signaling molecules produced by my own mitochondria. Plus it is preventive and can be used for acute injuries, cuts, etc...

The below isn't directed at you, just some general comments I want to make about anyone that thinks they can save money making it themselves:

To clarify, nobody is going to be making this product. They will make water that can be used to sterilize things and may have some anti-inflammatory benefits (beware drinking it without using platinum electrodes) but a fully balanced redox signaling molecules solution with 16 molecules like what the mitochondria produces is simply not going to be made by a home experimenter. I would imagine someone would have a better chance of winning a pick 6 lottery multiple times in a row than they will have at replicating this.

Just like PATHS, many have tried to replicate it and 100% have failed. There are millions of permutations possible from the different steps people could take to get there but only one will give the results.

I know how to make a radiant energy battery charger. There is certainly more than enough that John Bedini has given out for people to make their own - it is a fun learning experience but since he made various models available that I can just buy from him, that is what I've done because it simply worth my time to make my own when I can buy it. This is actually the case for majority of people. A tiny, tiny small percentage of the population will want to build something for themselves when they can just buy it ready made.

With anyone trying to make their own, I'm not against people trying but think they should just play with electrolyzed water and plants first. Then move to the next step and the next. Most people WILL use stainless steel because they think it is safe even medical grade SS, but it is not safe under electrolysis conditions like this, it leaches nickel and other contaminants into the water. I wouldn't drink that or feed it to plants that are growing food meant for consumption.

Someone will easily spend 1000 hours over the months to try to replicate the redox signaling molecules and will completely fail. And at $10 per hour, that is $10,000 worth of someone's time. That is a 6 YEAR supply of the product if they would have just bought it - so anyone (will not mention any names here) that thinks they're going to save money by trying to make this themselves are fooling themselves. Anyone that will spend that kind of time and is convincing themselves and other they are saving money is simply someone that doesn't have any respect or value for their own time, or the time of others.

Just like the battery secret, people can make something or buy something. I respect people's time enough that I give a source they can just buy something. If they want to do it themselves to learn and experiment that is one thing but I'm not going to give anyone a false sense of savings by convincing people to just make it themselves with all the time investment necessary. I'm just presenting the facts with the battery secret.

If someone wants to experiment just to experiment and learn what the experiments will teach them when it comes to electrolyzing water or water with sodium chloride, that is a different story but for anyone to attempt to make it themselves to "save money" is not intellectually honest.

I'd personally rather spent the same 1000 hours to generate $100,000 in sales and have my product cost covered for the next 60 years.

[Aaron]

floaters

Hi Aaron

I hate to say this, because I don't want to reject your idea about floaters, that it might have an effect.

I noticed floaters insider my eyes about 7 years ago, and that was becoming a real annoyance to me, as it just kept popping up while I was reading or working with the computer.

Then I started searching, joining forums, meeting doctors, etc to find a solution to the problem, after seeing no use in all of that I discovered Bates.At first i was skeptical. You know I said to myself how is that the whole world thinks one way, and doctor Bates tells us that floaters are the result of mental strain. I couldn't believe him then, because I believed that floaters are real things in the eyeball. As time passed on and I used bates method and imagination to improve my vision, I started to understand eye problems, are related to an imbalance and disconnection of "EYES" from the mind, and in order to see perfectly again one must reconnect MIND which its center is in the back of the neck, with eyes.

Floaters do exist in every eyeball, and it is a shame that some people try to remove them by using laser. They are not seen when the mind is relaxed and centered. I discovered that by maintaining your focus on the 6th chakra on the forehead, while looking they disappear.

I truly recommend the Bates method to those seeking a better life. As I have come to understand, vision exists of all levels, of one's being, from the lowest earth chakras to the highmost spiritual chakras. One will see when he/she sees from his/her whole being.

Improving vision is highly affected by affirmations, Just give an empty set of glasses to a myopic person and he will suddenly be able to read by putting on those empty glasses, by only believing that the glasses will make him see more clearly.

Elias

BTW: Thanks for the books I will take a look on them.

I'm aware of the Bates method and have heard good results from it.

With the floaters, I notice them when in a very relaxed and passive state usually when using the blue sky as a background.

I agree we don't see them (at all or as much) when we're focused or concentrated but when they're gone, I believe it is because we don't notice them but they're still there, in my opinion of course. If there is some very loud noise going on around me, I'm able to still concentrate and don't even notice the sound anymore but the sound it actually still there.

But with that being said, this product does enhance focus, memory and concentration. Mental clarity being increased is something that most people recognize in a short time - so possibly people are noticing their floaters less according to Bates' idea.

[toranarod]

What do you mean another manufacturer to create a healthy marketplace? These products are in the health care field while conventional medicine is not health care, it sick care. Please let me know if this is what you're talking about - sounds interesting!

Thankfully, I'm don't have age related problems only being 38 right now but I am willing to invest wisely in my health to prevent many problems that could occur. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I haven't popped open a regular soda pop (diabetes and osteoporosis prevention) like Coke, etc... for almost 15 or so years now...same as not adding white processed sugar (diabetes prevention) to anything in the same time and I haven't bought a loaf of white bread (diabetes, colon cancer, etc... prevention) also in the last 15 years. I'll eat some things with some processed sugar or something made from white flour once in a while but it is not something that I eat as a part of my regular diet. I do my best to avoid anything with high fructose corn syrup (permanently damages villi in the intestines and causes obesity and diabetes, etc...), food colorings (cancer), artificial sweeteners (cancer and countless others), etc... Just mentioning this because there are many things we can do if money is an issue to adjust our diet.

At my health food store, over the years, I literally sold tons of whole wheat flour, wheat berries if someone wants to grind it themselves, bulk flax seeds, etc... there isn't much of a difference in price to eat healthy or eat the processed nutritionally deficient foods and in many cases it is less expensive to eat healthier - especially if we're willing to take a little more time to prepare the foods (homemade bread, etc...). For the average family, a breakmaker is one of the top 10 ways to save money (can't afford one? use a hand grinder or buy the flour and use a bread pan in the oven - takes a bit of time but way healthier and way less expensive), while making healthier bread for less than what you can buy at the store. I'm not a big bread eater - don't eat a lot of grains in general but I do make my own bread once in a while.

The main valid argument that healthy food cost more than unhealthy food is in the produce isles at a grocery store or organic beef, etc... the food around the perimeter of the store is about the only safe place to shop, everything in the middle is boxed or canned dead food.

Even organic produce, etc... hasn't shown to give great benefits over non-organic food I would have to admit - there hasn't been a long enough time or enough real studies to show the benefit. I buy organic because I don't want trace pesticides, etc... However, the greatest difference in health when it comes to food is processed versus unprocessed.

If anyone wants to get a powerful foundation on food and health, probably THE most important book every written on the subject is Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price. A doctor that I worked with that was friends with Linus Pauling said this should be required reading for anyone that is interested in nutrition. Shows how in a VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, indigenous cultures that had processed food introduced suddenly had all kinds of problems. Their children started abnormal bone growth in their jaws, crooked teeth, etc...

Basically, processed foods mutate your dna and it is passed to children. But it clears up in later generations if the processed food is removed. DNA can heal itself. Contrary to the fraudulent "genetic" myth, only 2% of problems are truly genetic such as cystic fibrosis, downs syndrome, etc...

But diabetes, heart disease, etc... mostly bogus when doctors convince their patience it is all about their genes, the main thing of importance that is passed down is lifestyle and diet - habits basically - (usually). When those are changed, eventually, the genes correct themselves and suddenly the diabetes and heart diseases disappear. The whole "genetic" fraud is perpetrated so that people feel they are not responsible for their own health - "I got this from my mom" or "I got this from my dad" that is the easy way the average person wants so it isn't their fault or responsibility and they don't have to change their diet, etc... they feel doomed, accept the problem and feed the sick care system for the rest of their lives because they "can't do anything about it."

By the way, redox signaling molecules extend the telomere's length, perhaps not directly but from what they stimulate in the body. Good article to explain this in regards to mutli vitamins but good explanation of what telomeres are: Multivitamins Extend Telomere Length – and Therefore Lifespan Potential | Health and Wellness News

Basically, lifespan can be extended beyond the theoretical limit of 120 years. I would LOVE to live 120 and beyond IF the quality of my life was health and happy. The redox signaling works at a foundation level that vitamins, minerals, etc... cannot touch and accounting for this, I think the human lifespan limit can and will become record breaking thanks to this breakthrough science.

If this product does what is claimed, and there are tens of thousands that are showing not just subjective results but objective ones as well like age spots disappearing - and company is very new, people will definitely see the value of paying what it costs. But it is relatively very inexpensive insurance.

My closest mentor died a few years back and spent the last couple years in an elderly care home and suffered from dementia - cost his family up to $8000 USD per MONTH the entire time he was there - draining a very substantial amount of money. Insurance didn't cover very much of that - it came out of their pockets. Fortunately for them, he was pretty successful with his ventures and made some good money so it didn't come out of their pockets - just so a lot of it could be spent to prolong the agony and delay the inevitable.

If something would have cost $1000 per month to take and it prevented the dementia, it would have been the cheapest insurance in the world.

I'm not sure what is "about to unfold" in terms of seeing it as a bad thing. People have options and it is a blessing that they do. Someone can spend a few hundred per month on chelation therapy to help some things and prevent others and many baby boomers have been doing this for many years now already. There are many things already available that cost more than average supplements and have been available for a long time. So, with this product, the concept of baby boomers or anyone else spending the money to do things to get some relief, etc... is not a new thing. It just happens that this particular product is in a category all by itself and is comparatively prices to many things on the market. This product didn't change anything in regards to the above, it is only a different modality that appears to work better, faster.

Hello Aaron
This is not directed at you as we are on the same side. We have different political opinions but that’s irrelevant.
I am talking about the bigger picture here and maybe you don’t see it. As you have pointed out we are of different ages and have different needs.
Any way that’s fine I see you as a friend and co patriot trying to help the world move to a better place.

What I am trying to say about a healthy market place is this?

Let’s say I cannot afford this medication and need it desperately. I ask you can I please have it for half price or at a price I can afford. You will say no. The price is the price pay it or go away. You don’t care about my suffering why should you lower your price just to help me. Correct. But my life maybe cut short because this is the scenario is this justified? NO. Why my life should be cut short just because I am not in the same economic position as you.

The only thing that will make you lower your price and make it available to me will be the existence of another manufacture or competitor that will undercut your prices.
And make you lower your prices making it affordable for me. This **** if it can do what it claims needs a to be in a competitive market place to stop the control and the extortion of the vulnerable people who cannot afforded to pay what ever is asked and customers who can pay should not be used as a license to print money.

You have claimed to have created the energetic forum to be the solution to the problem
Now it looks like you are becoming the problem. Please Aaron do something about it while you can help people before it’s too late.

I make and research OU devices not to become another energy mogul but to stop the corporate tyranny. I am not in this for the money I am in this for the revolution.
I work 14 to 16 hours a day looking for a free energy source and if I find it every person on the planet will get a free booklet on exactly how to do it with no mysteries attached. No guessing games none of that usual bull **** that some many who clam OU always get up to.

This stuff is to just expensive no matter how you paint it up or color it to justify it.

[Aaron]

countless solutions all over the place

What I am trying to say about a healthy market place is this?

Let’s say I cannot afford this medication and need it desperately. I ask you can I please have it for half price or at a price I can afford. You will say no. The price is the price pay it or go away. You don’t care about my suffering why should you lower your price just to help me. Correct. But my life maybe cut short because this is the scenario is this justified? NO. Why my life should be cut short just because I am not in the same economic position as you.

The only thing that will make you lower your price and make it available to me will be the existence of another manufacture or competitor that will undercut your prices.
And make you lower your prices making it affordable for me. This **** if it can do what it claims needs a to be in a competitive market place to stop the control and the extortion of the vulnerable people who cannot afforded to pay what ever is asked and customers who can pay should not be used as a license to print money.

You have claimed to have created the energetic forum to be the solution to the problem
Now it looks like you are becoming the problem. Please Aaron do something about it while you can help people before it’s too late.

I make and research OU devices not to become another energy mogul but to stop the corporate tyranny. I am not in this for the money I am in this for the revolution.
I work 14 to 16 hours a day looking for a free energy source and if I find it every person on the planet will get a free booklet on exactly how to do it with no mysteries attached. No guessing games none of that usual bull **** that some many who clam OU always get up to.

This stuff is to just expensive no matter how you paint it up or color it to justify it.

Energetic Forum is created in order to be a vehicle for positive sharing of energy, health, agriculture or consciousness technologies, information, ideas, etc... This DOES contribute to many solutions and is an incredible compendium of resources of many things people can do or build themselves and nothing is asked in return from anyone.

Some things cost money and because they do does not take away from anything Energetic Forum is about. Nobody is forced to buy anything. There are options and people can pick and choose as they desire. But to say that because something is available that some people don't want to spend the money on is causing a problem I think is extraordinarily unrealistic.

Solar panels are a solution - an expensive on. But it is a guaranteed way to get a home off the grid, indisputably - enough panels and anyone is off the grid. They cost money and provide a solution but seeing the equivelant analogy to what you're saying - going with the logic that people should be tied to the grid because they can't afford the solar solution and therefore the solar solution is actually a problem - the way to remedy the problem from your perspective would be to either not make it available so nobody can benefit or to bring in competition. Look how much competition there is in solar - it is crazy - and do you see people competing by price to get the prices down? No and that has been the case for many years. The prices are coming down but SLOWLY.

For this health product, why would I need to do anything "before it is too late"? That is an alarmist perspective that doesn't make any sense to me. Like I'm personally supposed to start a new company to try to manufacture something to compete with a product that I believe in all the way and will support for years to come? So, bankrupting myself by putting every penny into reinventing the wheel in order to try to make a more inexpensive solution is your idea of solving a problem that doesn't even exist while destroying my life in the process. Thank you but I'll stick with option A, which is what I'm doing now.

Nobody else will be able to compete with this product - it is locked up too tight with the patents. There are some companies trying to ride the coattails of this product by claiming their product will boost redox signaling molecules. Yes, they may - but anything that boosts ATP will give a corresponding boost in redox signaling molecules. But those companies should read my book to see why they're wasting their time using ingredients that the body has to convert.

You want to boost your body's efficiency? Go bathe your body in red light and pulsed at 292Hz preferably. But that is probably too simple in concept for most people to believe but they can't say I never gave them anything. That is a PRICELESS piece of info that I have personally benefited from for the last 11 years or so.

RED LED panels are cheap from ebay. Go buy one and pulse it with a frequency generator. Still limited to the redox signaling molecules your mitochondria can make on its own but nevertheless, an increase. Again, plenty of things people COULD do if they actually want to apply what they learn.

[Aaron]

Rich Roll - Redox Signaling Molecules

Rich Roll, elite ultra-endurance athlete and one of Men’s Health Magazine’s “25 Fittest Guys." Rich will be appearing on major broadcast network television morning news programs across the county, talking about the amazing health benefits of Redox Signaling Molecules.

Rich accomplished the staggering feat of endurance called the EPIC5 Challenge, completing 5 ironman-distance triathlons on 5 islands of Hawaii in under a week. He has also been a top finisher at the Ultraman World Championships, a 3-day, 320 mile double-ironman distance triathlon.
Rich has been a passionate advocate of Redox Signaling Molecules and has made it an integral part of his lifestyle, saying, “I am a big fan of the product, and feel it has significantly contributed to the advancement of not only my training and athletic performance, but also my overall wellness.”

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[toranarod]

Energetic Forum is created in order to be a vehicle for positive sharing of energy, health, agriculture or consciousness technologies, information, ideas, etc... This DOES contribute to many solutions and is an incredible compendium of resources of many things people can do or build themselves and nothing is asked in return from anyone.

Some things cost money and because they do does not take away from anything Energetic Forum is about. Nobody is forced to buy anything. There are options and people can pick and choose as they desire. But to say that because something is available that some people don't want to spend the money on is causing a problem I think is extraordinarily unrealistic.

Solar panels are a solution - an expensive on. But it is a guaranteed way to get a home off the grid, indisputably - enough panels and anyone is off the grid. They cost money and provide a solution but seeing the equivelant analogy to what you're saying - going with the logic that people should be tied to the grid because they can't afford the solar solution and therefore the solar solution is actually a problem - the way to remedy the problem from your perspective would be to either not make it available so nobody can benefit or to bring in competition. Look how much competition there is in solar - it is crazy - and do you see people competing by price to get the prices down? No and that has been the case for many years. The prices are coming down but SLOWLY.

For this health product, why would I need to do anything "before it is too late"? That is an alarmist perspective that doesn't make any sense to me. Like I'm personally supposed to start a new company to try to manufacture something to compete with a product that I believe in all the way and will support for years to come? So, bankrupting myself by putting every penny into reinventing the wheel in order to try to make a more inexpensive solution is your idea of solving a problem that doesn't even exist while destroying my life in the process. Thank you but I'll stick with option A, which is what I'm doing now.

Nobody else will be able to compete with this product - it is locked up too tight with the patents. There are some companies trying to ride the coattails of this product by claiming their product will boost redox signaling molecules. Yes, they may - but anything that boosts ATP will give a corresponding boost in redox signaling molecules. But those companies should read my book to see why they're wasting their time using ingredients that the body has to convert.

You want to boost your body's efficiency? Go bathe your body in red light and pulsed at 292Hz preferably. But that is probably too simple in concept for most people to believe but they can't say I never gave them anything. That is a PRICELESS piece of info that I have personally benefited from for the last 11 years or so.

RED LED panels are cheap from ebay. Go buy one and pulse it with a frequency generator. Still limited to the redox signaling molecules your mitochondria can make on its own but nevertheless, an increase. Again, plenty of things people COULD do if they actually want to apply what they learn.

All I am trying to say is every business needs competition to Keep them honest.
what will happen when demand exceeds supply? the price never comes down.
it can only go up.

[toranarod]

we are cazy

you know what I am over it. it to distracting from my OU work
cheers