* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[rmay635703]

THINK GB, the average person is going to use stainless steel, etc.. and will wind up with traces of toxic chromium, etc... in their mix, etc... go ahead and encourage people to screw themselves up - not very smart.

Why don't you study the whole thing before haphazardly recommending that people poison themselves.

Scare tactic? Anyone with business sense knows that a very small
insignificant percentage of anyone that will try to do it themselves has
no bearing on the majority of the population that simply wants to purchase
it. This has ALWAYS been the case.

I have no problem with people discussing the science first but to suggest something that you know nothing about is completely irresponsible.

i am uncertain about this and I am no expert but if I were to decide to make hho for consumption I would use a graphite lead or fashion myself a graphite plate and clean it up. I would never consider a metal conductor of any type if I were to consume it. I also would use HV and no electrolite but i digress.

Thats how you do it safely in chemlab, not sure what carbonized water does though.

[Aaron]

redox signaling molecules

i am uncertain about this and I am no expert but if I were to decide to make hho for consumption I would use a graphite lead or fashion myself a graphite plate and clean it up. I would never consider a metal conductor of any type if I were to consume it. I also would use HV and no electrolite but i digress.

Thats how you do it safely in chemlab, not sure what carbonized water does though.

If you're not sure what carbonized water does, why would you choose carbon as the electrode in order to make hho for consumption?

You will electrolyze the carbon and contribute to the chemistry and this will completely prevent you from creating a non-toxic redox signaling molecule solution. Platinum is used because it is very non-corrosive (won't contribute to the chemistry).

[occy30]

I have a scientific question then,

Can you discuss the basics of the operation? I don't mean anything that is top secret and would give away the secrets but more along the lines of the entire process in theory? Some videos state it's salt water, but I know you can't drink salt water or else we would be pulling water from the worlds oceans.

I would find it pretty interesting on how brown's gas plays into the process.

Thanks!!!

[minoly]

Peter,
I think we would all love to see some before and after pictures of that gray.
not as proof, just as to the amount of difference we should hope to see ourselves.

Patrick

edit - ps - what day did you start taking it?

Peter? any one home?
going on bottle number 6 now...

Patrick

[rmay635703]

If you're not sure what carbonized water does, why would you choose carbon as the electrode in order to make hho for consumption?

You will electrolyze the carbon and contribute to the chemistry and this will completely prevent you from creating a non-toxic redox signaling molecule solution. Platinum is used because it is very non-corrosive (won't contribute to the chemistry).

Graphite does not either, it is nearly non-reactive with all constituents which is why it is used in schools everywhere for this experiment.

What I would need to determine is how much CO2 (harmless) is formed and if any CH compounds can form, it would take a bit of research (days not years) but is well within the grasp of anyone.

I would not worry much about it being harmfull, I would worry about it being less effective due to CO2 being present. I do not believe hydocarbons can form but I would need to verify it before I started.

Chemestry teacher said Graphite form of carbon was non=reactive with o2 or h2 in the temp range, however I don't take his word for granted.

Main reason nobody here uses graphite is that it cannot conduct as much current and is less efficient for HH0, for health I don't think either apply.

Worth verifying for the home kit so to say, like the at hom water ozenation jobs.

Cheers
Ryan

[Mark]

Peter? any one home?
going on bottle number 6 now...

Patrick

Ya, come on Peter I would also like to see a picture of your colored roots with grey ends.

Mark

[citfta]

Any results

Hi Minoly,

Have you seen any real results from you taking over 5 bottles? I am almost to the end of my second bottle and I haven't seen any big changes. I do seem to be sleeping a little better and I maybe have a little more fuzz on the top of my bald head.

@ toronorad,

I think you also have been taking it for a while now. Have you seen any real changes?

going on bottle number 6 now...

Patrick

Carroll

[Mark]

Crifta,

I have been taking the product for a month now. The last 10 days or so I increased my dosage to 3oz twice a day. The only thing that I have noticed is that some spots on my left bicept (I call them liver spots) appear to have faded a little. I'm NOT sleeping better, still blow my nose 4 times when I wake up, no new growth of hair on my head, my side still hurts and no returning dark hair color. At this point I am disappointed in the product. I initially bought 4 cases and have recieved 1 additional shipment so I still have almost 4 cases left. I will continue to take the product but if I dont see more results in the next 3 weeks or see someone elses proof with pictures (Peter) I will be cancelling my order and will be asking for a refund. I hope that others are benifiting from the product more than I have. I promised a 1 month report and there it is.

Mark

[Aaron]

stabilized and balanced redox signaling molecules

I have a scientific question then,

Can you discuss the basics of the operation? I don't mean anything that is top secret and would give away the secrets but more along the lines of the entire process in theory? Some videos state it's salt water, but I know you can't drink salt water or else we would be pulling water from the worlds oceans.

I would find it pretty interesting on how brown's gas plays into the process.

Thanks!!!

Yes, if it was salt water, it would kill plants when you feed it to plants (would be spendy plant food but for an experiment) - we can see the plants grow crazy - salt water would kill them.

Same with us, if it was salt water, we'd all be in touble.

It is electrolyzed sodium chloride and water. There are 4 atoms there. Sodium, chlorine, hydrogen and oxygen.

They are rebuilt into 16 molecules in 100% non toxic forum. Interesting when normally hydrogen peroxide, ozone, etc... are all oxidizing toxins to the body but not in this balanced form

[Aaron]

don't use carbon

Graphite does not either, it is nearly non-reactive with all constituents which is why it is used in schools everywhere for this experiment.

What I would need to determine is how much CO2 (harmless) is formed and if any CH compounds can form, it would take a bit of research (days not years) but is well within the grasp of anyone.

I would not worry much about it being harmfull, I would worry about it being less effective due to CO2 being present. I do not believe hydocarbons can form but I would need to verify it before I started.

Chemestry teacher said Graphite form of carbon was non=reactive with o2 or h2 in the temp range, however I don't take his word for granted.

Main reason nobody here uses graphite is that it cannot conduct as much current and is less efficient for HH0, for health I don't think either apply.

Worth verifying for the home kit so to say, like the at hom water ozenation jobs.

Cheers
Ryan

Hi Ryan,

Well - I think your teacher is not telling the whole story.

Graphite and any other carbon in general is very hydrophobic - it repels water. I have electrolyzed graphite rods to create a colloidal carbon solution with nano sized carbon particles of a few atoms big. The carbon, through the electrolysis process becomes hydrophilic - water loving - it pulls water to it - that changes the chemistry.

But still, you're just electrolyzing water with carbon - this has nothing to do with redox signaling molecules.

It is an electrolyzed sodium chloride solution.

Many people can think they can just electrolyze salt water and make this but they can find out on their own that they are wasting their time.

It is a very delicate process that requires extensive testing throughout the entire 3 day process. It is possible only in a very, very, very small window as many things are. Outside of that window, you create toxic chlorine molecules, etc... can make someone really sick.

Carbon has no place in this process.

Carbon is fine in other electrolytic processes but not redox signaling molecules. To think otherwise is trying to out think 16 years of research and many millions of dollars. Just in my opinion.

I like to think I have a pretty good grip on this technology but there is still no way I'm drinking a home brewed electrolyzed sodium chloride solution.

This product is the only one ever tested that shows ZERO inflammation response no matter how much is administered - no toxic levels have been found while simultaneously triggering a repair mechanism (boost in natural antioxidant production).

[Aaron]

results

The only thing that I have noticed is that some spots on my left bicept (I call them liver spots) appear to have faded a little.

I'm NOT sleeping better, still blow my nose 4 times when I wake up, no new growth of hair on my head, my side still hurts and no returning dark hair color. At this point I am disappointed in the product. I initially bought 4 cases and have recieved 1 additional shipment so I still have almost 4 cases left. I will continue to take the product but if I dont see more results in the next 3 weeks or see someone elses proof with pictures (Peter) I will be cancelling my order and will be asking for a refund. I hope that others are benifiting from the product more than I have. I promised a 1 month report and there it is.

Mark

Spots fading shows boost in glutathione production.

Take your second dose earlier on in the day and that may help you get better sleep. If I take it too late, it is difficult for me to fall asleep. This only happens to a small percentage of people.

Hair getting darker is from boost in catalase production. Everyone I know with gray hair turning dark took months. If there is not enough catalase (breaks down hydrogen peroxide into water and oxygen), the abundance of hydrogen peroxide produced in the body will literally "bleach" the hair and that is why it turns gray. Boosting catalase breaks down the h2o2 and bit by bit the hair goes back to the original color.

I think everyone should test for 90 days.

My friend Lawrence had a stroke 6 years ago. Couldn't make a fist in 6 years. After drinking 12 ounces on Saturday, next morning he woke up with his hand in a fist and he had full range of motion in opening and closing it. He also slept without oxygen and was fine.

[Peter Lindemann]

Slow and Steady Progress

Ya, come on Peter I would also like to see a picture of your colored roots with grey ends.

Mark

Mark,

I wish I had some photographs to show you. First off, my wife and I don't take a lot of pictures, and as we aged (I'm now 60) we certainly weren't trying to document how old we looked! LOL My beard is definitely getting darker, and the process became noticeable sometime late in the 2nd month. I took 4 oz per day for about 2 months, at which point I started taking 6 oz per day, then 8 oz per day and am now taking 4 oz three times a day. The more I take the better I feel.

Most of the benefits are internal, including better strength and agility, with less discomfort. My sugar cravings have absolutely disappeared, I am taking fewer supplements and losing weight.

Having met the founders and the scientist who stabilized the product, I know what this is and why I am going to stay on it!

Peter

[Mark]

Mark,

I wish I had some photographs to show you. First off, my wife and I don't take a lot of pictures, and as we aged (I'm now 60) we certainly weren't trying to document how old we looked! LOL My beard is definitely getting darker, and the process became noticeable sometime late in the 2nd month. I took 4 oz per day for about 2 months, at which point I started taking 6 oz per day, then 8 oz per day and am now taking 4 oz three times a day. The more I take the better I feel.

Most of the benefits are internal, including better strength and agility, with less discomfort. My sugar cravings have absolutely disappeared, I am taking fewer supplements and losing weight.

Having met the founders and the scientist who stabilized the product, I know what this is and why I am going to stay on it!

Peter

Peter,

I have both of your motor secrets videos, the most recent which was only produced a year or so ago so I am only asking for a current picture of you which I could easily compare to see the changing in your hair color.

Thanks,
Mark

[Mark]

Aaron,

Thanks for the suggestion of changing the time I take my night time dose. The last 2 nights I only woke up once or twice and fell a sleep much faster than normal. I usually wake up 10 times during the night. I slept 8 hours last night and actually feel groggy this morning, like a slept too long.

Mark

[Aaron]

convention - 15 ounces a day

Another post about the trip to the convention. I only have so much time to do this:

http://www.redoxforum.com/blogs/aaro...11-part-2.html