One of Bessler's Wheels ?

[Turion]

I have been working with using two sliding weights, one below the axle and one above the axle, to move a weight from below the axle to above the axle and overbalance a wheel. This is easy to do when all you consider is the vertical aspect of the mechanism. But you must also consider the horizontal.

When the wheel rotates (clockwise) because of the overbalance, the mechanism itself must have the weights on the right side (upper sliding weight plus flipping weight) overbalance the (lower sliding weight) weight on the left, which is MUCH closer to the rim. So like a seesaw, you have to have more weight to overbalance it because of its distance from the pivot point. I have been working on adjusting the amount of weight, length of rods, height of the fulcrum, distances from the pivot point, etc., etc., etc.

Am posting my progress on YouTube. 11Turion's Channel - YouTube

I have only on of these mechanisms mounted on my wheel, and I need four of them. But I need to get the first one working perfectly.

Jim_L
I'm interested in what you had to say about the scissors, although I did NOT understand the drawing. I can see how that could be used in conjunction with sliding weights and/or the flipping hammer weight.

[Jim_L]

Hey Jim,

Actually, in my 10 years of study and model building on Bessler's ideas, I came to the conclusion that there are TWO SOLUTIONS to the problem. Each working model uses the principle of "shifting weights", but these first order motions cannot drive the wheel. What experimental observation teaches is that the movement of the weights Since gravity alone is a force that acts uniformly on the wheel, the work done ON the wheel by the moving weights is what must create the imbalance. This is a second order motion. The "dry" solution uses the acceleration of gravity and the transfer of momentum by "impact" to drive the wheel. These are the noisy wheels, with lots of banging sounds. The quieter wheel uses the weights to open and close bellows that displace water, and so buoyancy is the driving force in the "wet" solution. MT 61 is the closest to a working design in the whole group of drawings, but it does not show the bellows in the correct positions and it does not correctly represent how they interact with each other.

Good luck with your experiments.

Peter

Peter,
There is one thing I have been right about, he varied his designs.
Same principle method but as anything else in engineering, he improved upon his work.
I am going to change my approach to construction of his wheel. As you said, the weights "cannot do work FOR the wheel, but they can do work ON the wheel".
Most people would never understand what that means but it is right in a way. What people miss is that if 2 opposing weights are moving at 1 m/s and weight 1 kg each, then if y is being lifted and z is dropping, then y - z = 0. The weights would cancel each other out. What they perform work on is not the wheel but something else that has a value of 0. Kind of why they call it free energy. Our current understanding of math and mechanics does not allow for energy to come from nothing.
Religion does as God created the universe from nothing, not endorsing religion here, just quoting the Bible.
Of course, what got Adam in trouble ? Or was that Newton ?
I think you'll get it

Peter, I'll give you the answer. If water is supsended but not in the sense of the Brownian Theory of motion, or is it ? It has a value of 0 because it has an average velocity of 0. But as Newton pointed out that a body at rest still has 9.8 newtons of force if it weighs 1kg. Thus the 9.8 newtons of force can be converted into the spin of the wheel. That is Bessler's secret.
Since the water would create resistance, the wheel spins in the opposite direction, away from what is resisting the work it's falling weights are doing. And the falling weights are operating pumps which work sequentially. Not sure if you have much of a mechanical background but basically when one lever drops and pumps water to the next pump, the enxt pump is primed and as a result causes the wheel to rotate increasing the force of the weight on it's lever.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread, ab hammer and rlortie have not wanted me to pursue this ebcause it would leave them nothing to talk about.

My blog, Building Besslers Wheel

[Jim_L]

I have been working with using two sliding weights, one below the axle and one above the axle, to move a weight from below the axle to above the axle and overbalance a wheel. This is easy to do when all you consider is the vertical aspect of the mechanism. But you must also consider the horizontal.

When the wheel rotates (clockwise) because of the overbalance, the mechanism itself must have the weights on the right side (upper sliding weight plus flipping weight) overbalance the (lower sliding weight) weight on the left, which is MUCH closer to the rim. So like a seesaw, you have to have more weight to overbalance it because of its distance from the pivot point. I have been working on adjusting the amount of weight, length of rods, height of the fulcrum, distances from the pivot point, etc., etc., etc.

Am posting my progress on YouTube. 11Turion's Channel - YouTube

I have only on of these mechanisms mounted on my wheel, and I need four of them. But I need to get the first one working perfectly.

Jim_L
I'm interested in what you had to say about the scissors, although I did NOT understand the drawing. I can see how that could be used in conjunction with sliding weights and/or the flipping hammer weight.

Turion,
This is the basic design I am building. If the 2 levers were connected together then the weights would be working together. But I have found that building curved or warped boards for use as pumps is a beotch !

Image:Mt 125.jpg - BesslerWiki


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