Multiple LCR resonance Circuits

[ltseung888]

Are you sure about this that constant DC current applied to LCR circuit produces AC current?

To be more exact, Pulsing DC supply has be used in all my past experiments. The pulsing can be from a switch, a signal generator with a diode or LED, a Joule Thief Circuit or some similar means.

You can compare such effect as pushing a swing. Gravitational energy is brought-in during the push. There is no need to apply a constant push.

The interesting point is that the Pulsing Source can be removed totally such as with the Steven Mark setup. It is like the many tuning forks in resonance. There is no need to strike the first tuning fork any more once many tuning forks are in sympathetic vibration (especially in a resonance chamber.)

[frenky]

To be more exact, Pulsing DC supply has be used in all my past experiments. The pulsing can be from a switch, a signal generator with a diode or LED, a Joule Thief Circuit or some similar means.

You can compare such effect as pushing a swing. Gravitational energy is brought-in during the push. There is no need to apply a constant push.

The interesting point is that the Pulsing Source can be removed totally such as with the Steven Mark setup. It is like the many tuning forks in resonance. There is no need to strike the first tuning fork any more once many tuning forks are in sympathetic vibration (especially in a resonance chamber.)

Thank you for your answer. That makes much more sense.
IF you pulse LC circuit it will start to oscillate, I couldn't see how could this be done by applying constant DC.

[ltseung888]

Thank you for your answer. That makes much more sense.
IF you pulse LC circuit it will start to oscillate, I couldn't see how could this be done by applying constant DC.

When you apply constant DC to the Joule Thief circuit, you will get it to oscillate. The transistor is the trick.

Thus in many complex circuits with transistors or equivalent, we have the elements of oscillation even if the source is constant DC such as a battery.

[ltseung888]

The simplest Multiple LCR circuit

I am outlining the simplest Multiple LCR circuit for testing.

1. It is basically 3 windings on a Toroid. The Toroid can be air-core similar to the Steven Mark set up.
2. One winding is the Pulsing Source. The simplest Pulsing Source is a Signal Generator with a diode or LED to produce DC Pulsing. DC pulsing is used to simulate the pushing of a simple pendulum. The signal voltage, duty circle and frequency can be varied. The most important element is likely to be the frequency.
3. There are two LCR circuits – A and B to simulate two identical tuning forks in sympathetic vibration. Because of the physical layout and different actual LCR values, the two LCR circuits may not be identical in their values. Tuning is required.
4. The trick is likely to vary the Pulsing Source so that LCR A circuit is in resonance. Then LCR B will be tuned to resonance.
5. The expectation is that when LCR A and LCR B are in resonance or sympathetic vibration, electron motion energy will be brought-in. The Pulsing Source can then be removed.

Sounds simple? Steven Mark appeared to have achieved it with his 1997 videos. A number of teams in China and USA claimed to have achieved it. Are they real???

The recommendation is for the experimenters to use oscilloscopes to display the waveforms.

[ltseung888]

The prototype by Harvey Gramm

This prototype was done in May 2011 by Mr. Harvey Gramm. Harvey and wife (Catlady) visited me and discussed the multiple resonance LCR circuits.

Two weeks later, he sent me the following photos. It is clear that he achieved some resonance results. It may be a forced resonance (pulsing source must be on all the time). It will take some additional effort to achieve natural resonance (pulsing source can be taken off).

It is almost 4 months later now. The chance of Harvey achieving some useful resonance configuration is high. This is a clear case that the seed has yielded some results.

Hopefully, Harvey will supply more detailed information to benefit the World.

*** Please note - do not send me any information you do not want to share with the World. ***

[frenky]

Do you know of any good combinations of R, L, C values & wire gauge, number of turns... that could be used for this setup?
I have some different toroid cores at hand I could try some setups.

[ltseung888]

May God Bless the Hard Workers

Do you know of any good combinations of R, L, C values & wire gauge, number of turns... that could be used for this setup?
I have some different toroid cores at hand I could try some setups.

This is the part I promised not to disclose. The people or groups trained by me used air-core, ferrite core, different size wires, different turns, different R, L, C values. Some claimed success with different set ups. It is like the tuning forks. Many different tuning forks can produce sympathetic vibrations.

My personal preference is a 7-inch air toroid with lamp wire winding – number of windings to fit one complete round. The Inductance L is determined mainly by such winding. The Capacitance is via replacing different values. Resistance is via variable resistors.

You have to do the hard work – playing with various values until you hit on a resonance set up. Mr. Harvey Gramm took two weeks. Dr. Raymond Ting and the student teams also took approximately the same time in 2010. Nobody I know will just give you the actual values.

May God bless those who are willing to spend the effort.

[Armagdn03]

Hello mr. ltseung888

I know of your threads, and posts. I know generally what you are trying to get at.

My problem is this. "Lead in" is nothing more than a phrase. Yet you apply it as a universal truth which can transcend multiple disciplines. I do not dissagree....However, What is the physical mechanism?

Could you please give us, your interpretation of HOW this is accomplished. Im afraid all I have heard is a phrase without solid ground.

I choose my words carefully, so that if challenged, I know I can respond in a way in which the asker of the questions can understand.Because I have solid knowledge of what I share, I can transform the answer to such a question into many equally correct answers in many "languages". When I do not understand, I try to keep quiet, as I have not payed enough attention to speak.

What is "lead in"? how do networks of LCR circuits accomplish this? This answer should be simple, and understandable. Illustrate your point not through scope shots and here-say, but through simple graspable concepts applicable to life.

I am not disagreeing with what you say, Im simply saying you are not communicating well which causes friction for only you.

I wish you the best in your efforts!

[Armagdn03]

Hello mr. ltseung888

I know of your threads, and posts. I know generally what you are trying to get at.

My problem is this. "Lead in" is nothing more than a phrase. Yet you apply it as a universal truth which can transcend multiple disciplines. I do not dissagree....However, What is the physical mechanism?

Could you please give us, your interpretation of HOW this is accomplished. Im afraid all I have heard is a phrase without solid ground.

I choose my words carefully, so that if challenged, I know I can respond in a way in which the asker of the questions can understand.Because I have solid knowledge of what I share, I can transform the answer to such a question into many equally correct answers in many "languages". When I do not understand, I try to keep quiet, as I have not payed enough attention to speak.

What is "lead in"? how do networks of LCR circuits accomplish this? This answer should be simple, and understandable. Illustrate your point not through scope shots and here-say, but through simple graspable concepts applicable to life.

I am not disagreeing with what you say, Im simply saying you are not communicating well which causes friction for only you.

I wish you the best in your efforts!

For example, multiple tuning forks tuned to the same freq alone DO NOT alone make more energy. I can show this, explain this, demonstrate this...yet this is the basis for may such theories! There are preferred distances which need to be observed, there is an analogue to the maximum power transmission theorem to eccentric transformers, there are geometric patterns which make ALL the difference in the world.

If you take a transmitter and receiver, and place them one quarter wave length apart, you create energy....WHY???? (optics, quarter wave cancelation, etc.)

Refine your words! show proof in words that "resonate" with people, THEN blast away questions with perfect physical examples.

[ltseung888]

Learning from the Seeds

Hello mr. ltseung888

I know of your threads, and posts. I know generally what you are trying to get at.

My problem is this. "Lead in" is nothing more than a phrase. Yet you apply it as a universal truth which can transcend multiple disciplines. I do not dissagree....However, What is the physical mechanism?

Could you please give us, your interpretation of HOW this is accomplished. Im afraid all I have heard is a phrase without solid ground.

I choose my words carefully, so that if challenged, I know I can respond in a way in which the asker of the questions can understand.Because I have solid knowledge of what I share, I can transform the answer to such a question into many equally correct answers in many "languages". When I do not understand, I try to keep quiet, as I have not payed enough attention to speak.

What is "lead in"? how do networks of LCR circuits accomplish this? This answer should be simple, and understandable. Illustrate your point not through scope shots and here-say, but through simple graspable concepts applicable to life.

I am not disagreeing with what you say, Im simply saying you are not communicating well which causes friction for only you.

I wish you the best in your efforts!

Dear Armagdn03,

Please read the information from:

What is New?

I am sowing seeds. I shall continue to refine the explanation in the above post since I am the moderator. The information can be updated without additional posts.

Reading information is not as good as a seminar. But this is the best we can do at present.

Lead-out or Bring-in Energy from the Surrounding is the central concept of the new Theory and Experiments. This theory will not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy. To understand the LCR resonance leading out electron motion energy, you need to understand the following smaller steps:

1. Two tuning forks sound louder and last longer than when one is struck alone if appropriately placed.
2. Three tuning forks sound louder and last longer than the case in 1.
3. Four tuning forks sound louder and last longer than the case in 2.
4. The steps 1, 2 and 3 can be confirmed absolutely by experiments. (I hope the confirmation will come from the top Universities in China as these three steps were communicated to them in 2010. The initial verbal conversation was positive.)
5. The confirmation from the top Universities in China may take time but this experiment is easy for other universities to perform. You are correct in saying that the placing of the tuning forks will make a difference. Placing them in a resonance chamber will make more difference.
6. The First Divine Revelation was shown mathematically. A ball hitting a moving piston from behind will impart some of its kinetic energy to the piston. Please follow the exact mathematics. Once we accept the physics and mathematics, we can conclusively say that the moving air molecules can impart some of their kinetic energy to a tuning fork. If the pulsing or vibrating frequency is correct, a stationary tuning fork will be forced into sympathetic vibration.
7. The energy of the second and subsequent tuning forks comes not only from the struck energy of the first tuning fork but also from the kinetic energy of the moving molecules.
8. The First Divine Revelation tells us that we can indeed lead-out or bring-in the kinetic energy of air molecules.
9. Once you understand the First Divine Revelation, you can examine the Second Divine Revelation. A horizontally pulled or pushed pendulum can lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy. Please follow the vigorous mathematics.
10. If gravitational energy can be brought-in, magnetic energy must be able to be brought-in because we can replace the pendulum bob with a magnet. We can put other external magnets to change the strength and direction of the magnetic field.
11. Once we understand the Second Divine Revelation, we can go into the Third Divine Revelation – multiple LCR resonance. Orbiting electrons are dipoles or tiny magnets. If we orientate and oscillate such tiny magnets as a “group”, we can bring-in such electron motion energy.
12. Electron motion energy is not new. Chemical energy comes from the different distribution of the electron cloud around compounds. The Multiple LCR resonance is even simpler. We do not need to turn one compound into another to get a different electron cloud orientation (to bring-in the chemical energy). We just temporarily rearrange the orientation of the dipoles. The electron motion energy can be brought-in. On the global scale, we can experience Global Cooling instead of Global Warming.

To me, the above three Divine Revelations are crystal clear. I just pass the information on. Some seeds will fall on hard rock. Some seeds will fall on fertile soil. With your experience on resonance experiments, I hope I have found fertile soil. Amen.

[Armagdn03]

Im affraid this does not answer anything!

7. The energy of the second and subsequent tuning forks comes not only from the struck energy of the first tuning fork but also from the kinetic energy of the moving molecules.

HOW!?!?!?! how does the random and somewhat chaotic (perceived) motion of the air molecules become ordered to augment the movement of the second resonant structure. Synchronization of resonant systems is a natural effect, however the the systems must be within each others bandwidth. How does the kinetic resonant properties of the air molecules (very small period) synchronize with the resonant source (tuning fork - VERY large in comparison).

You say this happens though and can be understood through the first divine revelation.....(shown below)

6. The First Divine Revelation was shown mathematically. A ball hitting a moving piston from behind will impart some of its kinetic energy to the piston. Please follow the exact mathematics. Once we accept the physics and mathematics, we can conclusively say that the moving air molecules can impart some of their kinetic energy to a tuning fork. If the pulsing or vibrating frequency is correct, a stationary tuning fork will be forced into sympathetic vibration.

This in NO way demonstrates what you are trying to show. The transfer of momentum by air molecules depends on the motion of the molecules being in phase with the fork. To an extent this will be true because of the pressure waves exerted by the source on the ambient air. However this energy COMES from the source, the energy they contained BEFORE the resonant state is what they have extra to impart. This extra, the kinetic present due to temperature and natural gas molecule movement, will both augment AND detract from the resonance. Some will impart momentum IN phase, and some will detract momentum (out of phase).

So you have two sources of energy, the source, and the natural kinetic movement of the air molecules. You are adding one to another to get a larger sum whole. However the movement of the second source (air) solely in phase or out of phase, but is probably a wash (no net force).

If you really want to accomplish extra energy from resonance, you need develop a process where the BEMF falls outside the bandwidth of the source, or augments it.


I am very proficient in mathematics, please share with us your vigorous math. Keep in mind that an entire subset of classical physics (quantum mechanics, i know people could argue about subsets) has recently been shattered by an individual (Znidarsic) using high-school algebra. Revelation is simple, profound and should be explainable in a multitude of language by the receiver.

[ltseung888]

The Physics of a ball hitting a moving piston from front and behind

Im affraid this does not answer anything!

HOW!?!?!?! how does the random and somewhat chaotic (perceived) motion of the air molecules become ordered...


So you have two sources of energy, the source, and the natural kinetic movement of the air molecules. You are adding one to another to get a larger sum whole. However the movement of the second source (air) solely in phase or out of phase, but is probably a wash (no net force).

*** Glad that you use the term probably. The vigorous physics and mathematics say otherwise. ***

Please refer to the posts related to the debate with MileHigh.

Scientific Debate with MileHigh - participants and moderator only

There were 13 replies. The spreadsheet showing the mathematics is in reply 7.

I am simplifying the logic here:

1. A ball moving in the +X direction colliding with a piston moving in the –X direction will rebounce with higher velocity in the –X direction. Some of the kinetic energy of the piston is imparted to the ball. The proof is via the two equations of Conservation of Momentum and Conservation of Energy.

2. A ball moving in the –X direction colliding with a piston moving in the –X direction will rebounce with lower velocity in the +X direction. Some of the kinitetic energy of the ball is imparted to the piston. Step 1 will not exactly cancel out Step 2 even if the initial values of velocities are the same. The proof is via the two equations of Conservation of Momentum and Conservation of Energy.

3. The interesting part is Step 2. In a normal tennis ball hitting environment, there will not be a ball hitting the racket from behind. Only kinetic energy from the racket is imparted to the ball. Step 1 still hold and the tennis player experiences a faster return ball.

4. Now if the Steps 1 and 2 have different velocity values, we can actually get the hitting from behind ball in Step 2 to give more kinetic energy to the piston than Step 1. This occurs if another piston (or more pistons) bounces the balls back at the correct frequency. This is exactly what happens at sympathetic vibration.

5. The initial vibration of the tuning fork sends molecules with average velocity +v1 in the +X direction back with average velocity –v2 in the –X direction. The actual magnitude of v2 will be higher than or less than v1 depending at the oscillation period. There will be a “period” of faster balls followed by a “period” of slower balls. This pulsing action forces the second and subsequent tuning forks into vibration.

6. Since the energy for such vibrations come from the striking force of the first tuning fork and the now “ordered” motion of the air molecules, the resulting sound will be louder and last longer. The trick is sympathetic vibrations or the tuning forks oscillate at the same frequency.

7. Please read the above mentioned debate with MileHigh carefully. We can go into every detail of the spreadsheet so that you can have a perfect understanding. But the above explanation is as clear as I put it at present. All the students trained by me understood the spreadsheet because I asked them to do exercises with the spreadsheet.

8. The Physics and Mathematics cannot be wrong. You can double and triple check the mathematics in the spreadsheet. More than three well qualified engineers and mathematicians traced every equation steps.

The First Divine Revelation is based on the Law of Conservation of Energy and the Law of Conservation of Momentum (elastic collisions). Step 2 clearly shows that kinetic energy of air molecules can be brought-in to the system. The normally random motion of the molecules is partially changed into a “pulsing order”. This “pulsing order” can continuously lead-out or bring-in the kinetic energy of air molecules into the system. Amen.

[ltseung888]

Tuning fork experiment in China

Im affraid this does not answer anything!

HOW!?!?!?! how does the random and somewhat chaotic (perceived) motion of the air molecules become ordered...


So you have two sources of energy, the source, and the natural kinetic movement of the air molecules. You are adding one to another to get a larger sum whole. However the movement of the second source (air) solely in phase or out of phase, but is probably a wash (no net force).

*** Glad that you use the term probably. The vigorous physics and mathematics say otherwise. ***

Dear Armagdn03,

I believe one of the tuning fork experiments being done in China is as follows:

Multiple Tuning Forks are placed at quarter wavelength positions in resonance tubes or toroids as shown.

Only one tuning fork is excited via electromagnetic means. The others will oscillate via sympathetic vibrations.

The waveforms are captured on oscilloscopes.

I do not have the exact results yet. But this experiment is not difficult to repeat in the many esteemed universities around the World.

Hope that you can understand Divine Revelation 1 better now.

Lawrence

[Armagdn03]

Dear Armagdn03,

I believe one of the tuning fork experiments being done in China is as follows:

Multiple Tuning Forks are placed at quarter wavelength positions in resonance tubes or toroids as shown.

Only one tuning fork is excited via electromagnetic means. The others will oscillate via sympathetic vibrations.

The waveforms are captured on oscilloscopes.

I do not have the exact results yet. But this experiment is not difficult to repeat in the many esteemed universities around the World.

Hope that you can understand Divine Revelation 1 better now.

Lawrence

Good reply, thanks for pointing me to this, i will look it over.

[Armagdn03]

Dear Armagdn03,

I believe one of the tuning fork experiments being done in China is as follows:

Multiple Tuning Forks are placed at quarter wavelength positions in resonance tubes or toroids as shown.

Only one tuning fork is excited via electromagnetic means. The others will oscillate via sympathetic vibrations.

The waveforms are captured on oscilloscopes.

I do not have the exact results yet. But this experiment is not difficult to repeat in the many esteemed universities around the World.

Hope that you can understand Divine Revelation 1 better now.

Lawrence

Yes you can do this with LCR circuits.

However you will have more results with a higher Q for your networks, so stay away from lumped element setups.

Instead, wind two air core toroids tuned to the exact same frequency. Excite one of them at its full wave frequency, giving two potential nodes and two potential peaks along its toroidal form.

Separate the second toroid by a distance (you may remain within the near field) and orient it so that the axis is orthogonal to the the first. This attempts to minimize mutual coupling.

Couple the toroids with a quarter wave transmission line.

Take care.