The Golden Tractate of Hermes Trismegistus applied to electromagnetism

[MonsieurM]

Shawn, recall the toroid Tesla coil, i wonder if anyone thought of replacing the toroid with a Rodin Coil for the nest

From the Emerald Tablet:

RED WORK
Venus / soul & spirit birds nest in a tree and brood over their egg

..... looks like Tesla knew about the Bird's nest (egg experiment) and you know now why the primary has to be a spiral vortex to allow for the emf egg to take shape



do you see the emf egg => as above (the copper egg), so below (the emf of the secondary coil )

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[MonsieurM]

about the emf egg,

principle of correspondence: this observation is applicable to many other experiments using primary and secondary coils....






---- from within so without

the following is schauberger's egg



to simplify a bit, you have a solid copper shell "schauberger's egg" with an emf coil (spinning the quartz/neodymium ball) on top of an emf shell "schauberger's egg" with a solid copper coil

and the best part, if you look closely the Tesla coil + Rodin Coil + Tesla's Egg with quartz neodymium ball inside respects all 7 Principles of the Kybalion

i think this is it ....look closely, the fractal is all over this set up (principle of mentalism )...i don't think i am going to sleep tonight....

would love to have your thoughts on this

[shawnnweed]

about the emf egg,

principle of correspondence: this observation is applicable to many other experiments using primary and secondary coils....






---- from within so without

the following is schauberger's egg



to simplify a bit, you have a solid copper shell "schauberger's egg" with an emf coil (spinning the quartz/neodymium ball) on top of an emf shell "schauberger's egg" with a solid copper coil

and the best part, if you look closely the Tesla coil + Rodin Coil + Tesla's Egg with quartz neodymium ball inside respects all 7 Principles of the Kybalion

i think this is it ....look closely, the fractal is all over this set up (principle of mentalism )...i don't think i am going to sleep tonight....

would love to have your thoughts on this

I think this is brilliant yet we have overlooked one tiny detail. Magnets and HV do not mix. we will have to cover the neodymium in rubber, something thin like a balloon. We can't let the neodymium ball make contact with the crystal. This should be the 4th layer and the egg is complete. A perfect physical representation of nature in energy. (And one last thing but tell me if you believe it to be necessary or not. In the diagram of the egg there were two strings coming out and attaching to the egg. Since gold can meld with crystal I think we should use two gold strands, embedded in the crystal to electrically attach the crystal to the outer copper shell. And I think we are done.)
p.s. I apologize for not understanding that the wobble of the egg will create sonic resonance; much the same as the magnets spinning on top of the crystal bowls. You are absolutely right, the egg is the better shape for this project due to its wobble. self resonance is extremely important to this project. Speaking of self resonance there is a video on you tube where a guy held one rodin coil above the other and they self resonated. you should check it out.
rodin coil that self resonates - YouTube

[shawnnweed]

one last thing. If we are adding an interior coil, shouldn't it be a double coil?

[shawnnweed]

or does the exterior shape of the shell act as the second coil?

[MonsieurM]

The Germinal Disc (this is were gold should be ): A flattened, disklike region of cells from which the embryo begins to develop in the fertilized ovum of many vertebrate species. Also called blastodisk, embryonic disk.

Primary gold typically occurs in quartz veins. The extraction of gold ore from these hard quartz veins was historically referred to as quartz reef mining.

A Prussian engineer, Jacob Brache was the first to think that quartz reefs might have even more gold than alluvial fields.

note : in Epic India, or, India as described in the Mahabharata and the Ramayana

it is said:

Gold was extracted from quartz stones perhaps in some crude manner

Epic India, or, India as described ... - Google Books

Since gold can meld with crystal I think we should use two gold strands, embedded in the crystal to electrically attach the crystal to the outer copper shell. And I think we are done.)

I personally believe the strands are not necessary but only through experimentation would we know. If you consider the moe joe cell and its property to concentrate orgone energy, so does the egg and the strands are just the reflection of that....

Experience is made before the law is formulated, both are related like cause and effect. Tesla

We have the general set up , and also the ratios needed from nature for the egg

for HV + Magnet, we will have to experiment to know the effect (don't forget that inside the egg, the environment is different than the one we are used to )

this is new territory...forget about what you know...besides a magnet is a crystal...

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A neodymium magnet (also known as NdFeB, NIB, or Neo magnet), the most widely-used type of rare-earth magnet, is a permanent magnet made from an alloy of neodymium, iron, and boron to form the Nd2Fe14B tetragonal crystalline structure.

The magnet is an anisotropic (so is quartz ) ( see post: http://www.energeticforum.com/148190-post73.html and http://www.energeticforum.com/148982-post137.html Dave you should read this one if you did not already ) (sintered ceramic containing neodymium, iron and boron (NdFeB). The anisotropic nature of the material (meaning that it has properties that differ according to the direction of the measurement) is due to the tetragonal crystalline structure of the NdFeB molecule.

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something you should know about Alpha Quartz:

Silicon dioxide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Helical chains making individual single crystals optically active; α-quartz converts to β-quartz at 846 K

An electrostatic spatial resonance model for coaxial helical structures with applications to the filamentous bacteriophages.

It is found that coaxial helices with optimally mated symmetries can lock into spatial resonance configurations that maximize their interaction. The resonances are represented as vectors in a discrete three-dimensional space[

An electrostatic spatial resonance model for coaxial helical structures with applications to the filamentous bacteriophages.

note: anisotropy is also a factor to consider when building the quartz/ neodymium ball:

Anisotropy (/ˌænaɪˈsɒtrəpi/) is the property of being directionally dependent, as opposed to isotropy, which implies identical properties in all directions. It can be defined as a difference, when measured along different axes, in a material's physical or mechanical properties (absorbance, refractive index, conductivity, tensile strength, etc.) An example of anisotropy is the light coming through a polarizer. An example of an anisotropic material is wood, which is easier to split along its grain than against it.

should both anisotropy of quartz and magnet be facing the same direction or opposite (principle of gender/principle polarity )

fyi:

This finding, confirmed only within the past two years, quickly led to the conclusion that Earth's solid-iron inner core is "anisotropic" -- it has a directional quality, a texture similar to the grain in wood, that allows sound waves to go faster when they travel in a certain direction.

from the same article:

"Hexagonal crystals have a unique directionality," says Stixrude, "which must be aligned and oriented with Earth's spin axis for every crystal in the inner core."

CRYSTAL AT THE CENTER OF THE EARTH: Anisotropy of Earth's Inner Core





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[MonsieurM]

i think we should place between the magnet and the quartz a susceptor:

A susceptor is a material used for its ability to absorb electromagnetic energy and convert it to heat (which is sometimes designed to be re-emitted as infrared thermal radiation). This energy is typically radiofrequency or microwave radiation used in industrial heating processes, and also occasionally in microwave cooking. The name is derived from susceptance, an electrical property of materials that measures their tendency to convert electromagnetic energy to heat.

got the idea from you post on industrial microwave oven, i think you do not need an industrial oven, found this article explaining how to do it with a normal oven:

Microwave melting of metals

The microwave work was triggered by a short reference to the refining of rare earth metals, at Illawara Technology Centre, which was mentioned by a visitor to the Central Saint Martins foundry, Dennis Glaser. Since these metals melt at temperatures above 800 degrees Celcius, it seemed possible that the method could be adapted to melt and cast small objects in the workshop or studio. If this could be done a domestic microwave would, effectively, become a cheap and accessible furnace.

Trials were begun which simply aimed to melt metals such as silver and bronze in open crucibles. However, it soon became obvious that casting to shape could also be accomplished by adapting the Reid Technique (RT) - a simplified ceramic-shell procedure for the casting of non-ferrous metals, patented in 1990. RT was first developed to avoid the problem of heat loss, which makes the the pouring of small melts very difficult - these difficulties arise however the metal is heated, and while the microwave technique set out here can be used for heating small amounts of metal in open crucibles, its greatest potential lies in its use as a flameless furnace in processes such as the Reid Technique. The crucial discovery, made during extended tests with various susceptors - materials which heat up when exposed to microwaves - was that two substances, graphite and magnetite, working together were required to achieve the kind of heating we were looking for.

here is the part that interests us:

So, the problem was to find a substance which, when put in a microwave field and in contact with a refractory container, would absorb heat (be a good `susceptor') and raise its temperature to about 1200 degrees Celcius, thus allowing alloys within it to melt and become castable.

Above 1300 degrees and at a pressure of approximately 35 kilobars, only beta quartz (also known as high quartz) is stable. Beta quartz is not the same as normal quartz, actually referred to as alpha quartz, low quartz or, as is mostly done here, just quartz. Beta quartz has higher symmetry, is less dense and has a slightly lower specific gravity. The conversion, from one solid substance to another solid substance, of quartz to beta quartz is quick, reversible and accompanied with a slight energy absorption. The conversion in fact is so easily accomplished that a crystal of quartz heated to beta quartz, cooled back down, heated again to beta quartz, etc and the crystal when all is done, will be the same as when it started (here is the cycle, high frequency pulsed energy ).

inside the copper egg, the spinning + water pressure (if we decide to use it, testing necessary )+ emf pressure gives you the 35 kilobars and the susceptor being enclosed between the quartz and the magnet won't interact with water, but will heat the quartz to transform it into beta quartz...i know there is a mention of that in the tablet...will look for it later

[MonsieurM]

side note: here is a perfect example of As Above so Below, From within so without

Scientists discover underground river below the Amazon River - SlashGear

Scientists have made a very wild discovery in the Amazon Basin. The mighty Amazon River is one of the largest and most impressive (and scariest) rivers on the planet. The Amazon ranges in width from 1km to 100km. It also flow very quickly in some areas at 133,000 meters squared of water each second at a rate of five meters per second. A team of scientists has discovered a much larger river about 4km under the Amazon River that dwarfs its surface counterpart.

The big differences include that the underground river, dubbed Rio Hamza after the leader of the scientific team, flows a mere millimeter per hour and its nearly twice as wide as the Amazon. Rio Hamza is 200km to 400km wide.

a small egg on top of a larger egg

[shawnnweed]

should both anisotropy of quartz and magnet be facing the same direction or opposite (principle of gender/principle polarity )

This might require testing but I also think we have a clue from the video The gentlemen said that when he did his drop test that he faced two magnets in opposing directions and forced them together. This caused a antigravitaitonal effect. SO the question is if we combined their forces then what is the opposing force. If there is no opposing force then we should face them opposite. If there is an opposing force then we face them together. Make sense?

[shawnnweed]

i think we should place between the magnet and the quartz a susceptor:





got the idea from you post on industrial microwave oven, i think you do not need an industrial oven, found this article explaining how to do it with a normal oven:

Microwave melting of metals





here is the part that interests us:





inside the copper egg, the spinning + water pressure (if we decide to use it, testing necessary )+ emf pressure gives you the 35 kilobars and the susceptor being enclosed between the quartz and the magnet won't interact with water, but will heat the quartz to transform it into beta quartz...i know there is a mention of that in the tablet...will look for it later

I say why not? Didn't you say that beta quartz showed signs of antigravity? And I think the spinning could act as a natural coolant; don't want it to get too hot.

[shawnnweed]

[QUOTE=MonsieurM;154043]The Germinal Disc (this is were gold should be ): A flattened, disklike region of cells from which the embryo begins to develop in the fertilized ovum of many vertebrate species. Also called blastodisk, embryonic disk.

Yes The germinal disc, where fertilization takes place, is attached to the yolk. But the cords I was specifically referring to, that should be made of Gold are the two, twisted, whitish cord-like objects known as chalazae. Their function is to support the yolk in the center of the albumen.

I think its important to use gold to attach the crystal to the outer shell for one reason; accidental discharge. They used a nail to release the electrons from an electron accelerator bombarded block of plexiglass. If we heat the egg from the inside it could cause the material to expand and press too hard on the outer shell and accidentally discharge. We might even want to consider placing a dielectric inbetween just for the sake of preventing this unwanted accidental effect.

[MonsieurM]

have you taken into account the multi - directional spinning of the quartz/neodymium ball (see rodin exp with neo )and the gold strands would break off or restrain the spinning, as for the dielectric, isn't water dielectric?

which could also turn the egg into a capacitor .... (see post http://www.energeticforum.com/148474-post141.html )

from Hydro-Magnetic Generator (link above )

the dynamo is an electrostatic transformer, or in other words an electrostatic voltage multiplier.

energy can be extracted in other ways than through contact...the difficulty here is to imagine the whole process taking place at the same time (the whole set up ), the strands you are seeing in a real egg is because it vibrates at a lower frequency than the Tesla egg, the real egg needs it to counter act gravity; you won't have that problem on the higher frequency scale....

I personally believe the strands are not necessary but only through experimentation would we know. If you consider the moe joe cell and its property to concentrate orgone energy, so does the egg and the strands are just the reflection of that....because it exist on the material plane/ or lower frequency plane

Chalaza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the eggs of most birds and reptiles, the chalazae are two spiral bands of tissue that suspend the yolk in the center of the white (the albumen). The function of the chalazae is to hold the yolk in place (the emf vortex will do that for you with the help of the ball spinning ). For culinary use of eggs, particularly in baking, the chalazae are sometimes removed in order to ensure a uniform texture.

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to simplify a bit, you have a solid copper shell "schauberger's egg" with an emf coil (this is the strands you see on the lower frequency normal egg) (spinning the quartz/neodymium ball) on top of an emf shell "schauberger's egg" with a solid copper coil

[MonsieurM]

for the sake of a better understanding, i made a collage...so you have a better idea of how the set up looks like (bare in mind that scale here is not respected and not all emf phenomenon are depicted )



From the Emerald Tablet:

RED WORK
Venus / soul & spirit birds nest in a tree and brood over their egg

Note both eggs, copper egg and emf egg point in opposite direction



from: The New Science by Wilbert B. SMITH (1910-1962)

Wilbert B. Smith: The New Science

2.1 ~ The Spin Mechanism

The concept of spin is fundamental in nature and is the only concept in nature which is absolute in its own right. (principle of vibration ) The idea of spin has associated integrally with it the idea of units, multiples and fractions of complete revolutions, and these units are completely independent of any yardstick with which they may be measured. We can conceive of enormously large and enormously small numbers and these are applicable directly to spin, and have exactly the same significance with respect to any particular spin to which they may be applied.

Within any interval of attention spin may make many revolutions, one revolution only, or even a minute fraction of a revolution, without losing in any way its absolute nature. In fact, within any interval of attention, it need not actually turn at all, but merely display a tendency to turn, or be ready to turn (ie: yolk and spiral strands ). Or again, using our familiar concept of time (which incidentally we shall have to modify severely), we could say that one revolution completed in eternity would still be valid. On other words, there are no intrinsic limits imposed on spin (principle of polarity ), and we can think about it exactly the same way as we can think about any pure number, for that is precisely what it is: the basic number of our material universe.

At this point it might be well to make a blatant statement, and leave the derivation of it until much later, in order to facilitate understanding of what this discussion of spin is leading up to. Since spin is the only concept which we have in this universe which is absolute, it is fairly obvious that it must be the primordial building material of matter and energy, and a unit of spin must be the basic unit of these manifestations. All that we have in this material universe, whether matter or energy, is made up of spin, various units of which are fitted together in manners becoming to each and every form of matter or energy with which we are familiar, and many of which we do not even yet suspect.

[Dave45]

Iv been thinking of how to magnify the magnetic field and I think this is what a Tesla coil does if you look at the primary the way that its made like the pancake coil, even without the high voltage pulse the coil is concentrating a field to its core a big field because of the way the coil is laid out.

So the broader the coil the smaller the core the more concentrated the field and if hit with a high voltage pulse bam
I'll have to think this over for awhile

I have the toroid in ice now it has one wind left and one right around the toroid
I made two electrodes out of sheets of aluminum with acrylic as the dielectric between the aluminum posts and inserted them into the core, Im going to hook this up to the function generator in a couple of days if I get anything I'll let it freeze for two or three days and take another reading I have a hunch that if left to form the field will channel through the ice more and more I will keep you posted.
Dave

[MonsieurM]

the complete Red Work from the Emerald Tablet

RED WORK
Venus / soul & spirit birds nest in a tree and brood over their egg
Mercury / unicorn lying in front of a rose bush /
Moon / androgynous youth emerging from an open grave .

Thanks Dave for the observation, it does seem to work like a funnel

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also for the update on the ice core

ps: IndianaBoys experiment with the colloidale gold frozen in water is quite impressive

see post: http://www.energeticforum.com/154053-post491.html