3D electromagnetic field

[Michael John Nunnerley]

If this relates to #33 then how are you gonna connect the shorted coils to the dump cap?

I have made a capacitive generator coil before, but you can't extract any current from it. There is not enough charge, the capacity is in the low nanofarad region. To increase it you would have to wind a veeery big coil with lots of area. Too big to fit into a small Muller.

Read here:
Standing Waves in Generators

Hi there, this is a quote from you, I do not frequent the other forum

It is sadly like Bolt sais, you need to be an expert in RF tuning to get this right.
I am sure that once you saw the effect, you could go from there.

I am an expert in RF.

If you look at the paper that I posted you will see that a Hz field WILL ONLY COMMUNICATE WITH ANOTHER Hz FIELD. Now how do we create an Hz field on the rotor so as the stator coil will communicate with the rotor "coil or magnet setup".

I am not going to make things easy, you have to work for it like I had to. Read that paper over and over again and apply what you see to a magnetic field that communicates between two or MORE points, but not as an antenna, but the principles are the same, just have to impliment them in a different way.


Another clue, look up loop antennas and see how they are connected and also see how much power is in the capacitance of the main loop, it is posible 2000v @ 2amps, 4KW without trying.

Mike

[Xenomorph]

I am not going to make things easy, you have to work for it like I had to.

Pretty much exactly the same words can be found in various threads
coming from various self-proclaimed prophets of overunity veiling themselves behind vague statements.
Okay, take that as no offense. Nothing more to do than respect your choice
of being secretive. I will certainly take you by the word and re-read the paper.
Good Luck

[MonsieurM]

If you look at the paper that I posted you will see that a Hz field WILL ONLY COMMUNICATE WITH ANOTHER Hz FIELD. Now how do we create an Hz field on the rotor so as the stator coil will communicate with the rotor "coil or magnet setup".


Mike

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[mk1]

Caduceus coil = Tesla coil

Nothing of new...

Sorry but that is wrong , On the Tesla coil the second wind goes in the same direction as the first , on the Caduceus the second wind goes in the opposite direction ...

[jerdee]

Inductor acting mostly as capacitance

Sorry for the bad explination of the coil setup, I will try again

Wind a bifiler coil, the start of one wire will be 1s and the other 2s, the finish ends will be 1f and 2f. Now connect 1s and 1f together and 2s and 2f together. what you have made is two coils with a capacitance built in joining them together. We do not want an antenna, we want a magnetic coil with a vortex field and this is one way to do it.

If I have time I will wind one. Trying to finish my new lab and office.

Remember that the only connection of one coil to the other is one of capacitance, it is an LC circuit with low R depending on the wire used.

Mike

So basically this coil arrangement will force the current to lead with little voltage due to the coil acting mostly as capacitance. With low R, essentially creating a low ESR to allow the gauss field to fully develop fast! Then capitalize on the magnetic field generated for standard generator purposes?

It's as if we are using inductor as a capacitor that generates a strong gauss field instead of storing the magnetic field.

Just gathering thoughts on this coil arrangement....

Jeremy

[Xenomorph]

I actually went ahead and made an experiment according to what Nunnerley said about the antiphase coils.
Two coils wound in opposite directions on a ferrite rod.
In keeping with the Hz Theory promoted by the company EH-antenna.com, i have even turned the coil 90 degrees to the magnetic field of the rotor magnets as depicted by the Hz aerial illustration.

Loading the coils (just shorting the ends) creates a normal lenz drag (rotor slow down). An indicator for current flowing in the coils.
Obviously this set-up (as it is) can not pick up ONLY a Hz field and NOT turn it into electron current.
So i don't know how to interpret this.
Nunnerley repeatedly states that he sees this phenomenon present in the Muller generator. I just can say that i have never seen 90 degrees turned generator coils in one.

Chances are that the "sending" side of the rotor would be required to undergo a "modification" for this to work as well, which would again represent a deviation from the Muller design.
Just wanted to share this experimental results and looking forward to Mike one day presenting an experimental set-up that properly reflects how he sees this working.

[MonsieurM]

this is an example posted by Dave45 of the Smith/Caduceus Coil used to levitate at high voltage

induction heater levitation melting aluminum - YouTube

Please note the movement evolution of the aluminum piece

[skaght]

Xenomorph,

I've read through the material on EH-antenna.com a number of times. From my reading of the material, the core is supposed to be conducting, but non-ferromagentic. Copper or aluminum should fit the bill. In addition, I believe their HZ antenna has two coils wound in the same direction on the conductive, non-ferromagnetic core separated by a small gap. I've been planning on building my own version of this, but haven't had time this week due to work demands...

I'd be curious if you get a chance to build such a beast if it displays any different types of behavior.

[Xenomorph]

Xenomorph,

I've read through the material on EH-antenna.com a number of times. From my reading of the material, the core is supposed to be conducting, but non-ferromagentic. Copper or aluminum should fit the bill. In addition, I believe their HZ antenna has two coils wound in the same direction on the conductive, non-ferromagnetic core separated by a small gap. I've been planning on building my own version of this, but haven't had time this week due to work demands...

I'd be curious if you get a chance to build such a beast if it displays any different types of behavior.

Hey Skaght.
Okay i will try to make a copper or aluminum core.
Concerning the winding direction, i believe Mike has mentioned in one of hist posts antiphase and/or opposing windings, but i could be wrong.
The ferrite-less version will certainly also have less of a Lenz drag, because whatever current might still flow could not be amplified by the non-magnetic core as much.
But the favourable result would be of course to have no electrons moving.
I might just wind 2 coil pairs one with opposing winding direction and one without just to cover all cases.
The aluminum core aspect together with antiphase windings reminds me remotely of the Genesis project, but that was a different principle.

[MonsieurM]

Xenomorph,

I've read through the material on EH-antenna.com a number of times. From my reading of the material, the core is supposed to be conducting, but non-ferromagentic. Copper or aluminum should fit the bill. In addition, I believe their HZ antenna has two coils wound in the same direction on the conductive, non-ferromagnetic core separated by a small gap. I've been planning on building my own version of this, but haven't had time this week due to work demands...

I'd be curious if you get a chance to build such a beast if it displays any different types of behavior.

non-ferromagnetic substances : such as wood, plastic, glass, bone, copper aluminium, SiO2 (quartz), air and water ....Tesla...

[skaght]

MonsieurM,

I should have been more specific--non-ferromagentic material, but still conductive so electrons in the material flow in response to the field. Hence a metal like copper or aluminum or perhaps carbon.

S

[MonsieurM]

MonsieurM,

I should have been more specific--non-ferromagentic material, but still conductive so electrons in the material flow in response to the field. Hence a metal like copper or aluminum or perhaps carbon.

S

sorry for that

I guess then I have to shorten the list:

non-ferromagnetic conductive substances : , copper aluminium, air and water and maybe graphene....Tesla...

[Xenomorph]

Okay i made the same test with a copper rod as core.
The rotor slows down when you bring the coils closer to it.
Loading it (short circuit) does then only very very minimaly reduce the RPM.
Even open circuit the rotor slows down.
Looks like there is lots of electrons moving in the copper )
So i tried the same test without any core and the
voltage is higher than with the copper core and there is NO slow-down
when you bring the coils close to the rotor.
Loading also does not seem to affect RPM.
It needs to be said that i have only used a couple of turns on the coils.
This needs to be tested also with a higher inductance
and then compared to the ferrite cored version and most importantly to
an single air-core coil of the same inductance to see if there
is any unusual gain/difference at all.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Okay i made the same test with a copper rod as core.
The rotor slows down when you bring the coils closer to it.
Loading it (short circuit) does then only very very minimaly reduce the RPM.
Even open circuit the rotor slows down.
Looks like there is lots of electrons moving in the copper )
So i tried the same test without any core and the
voltage is higher than with the copper core and there is NO slow-down
when you bring the coils close to the rotor.
Loading also does not seem to affect RPM.
It needs to be said that i have only used a couple of turns on the coils.
This needs to be tested also with a higher inductance
and then compared to the ferrite cored version and most importantly to
an single air-core coil of the same inductance to see if there
is any unusual gain/difference at all.

Thank you for your thinking and experimenting, this is what I wanted people to do, "to find out for themselves but with a bit of guidence.

Now what have you found? the two air coils have stored a high voltage through "capacitance" that is the two windings having a reasonable capacitance between them. This does not slow the rotor either open or under load. Is this what we want, "yes", zero Lenze as I have stated.

If you use a ferrite core the same can happen only if the saturation of the core is controlled, if you don't then you have lost the advantage and Lenze will rear his ugly head again.

Timing has to be perfect and with perfect timing we can use that stored energy before it is being charged again. We need that energy "from one coil setup" to do two things, one to switch the mosfet and the other to supply the power to a secound or more coil setups.

A mosfet will need X amount to trigger the gate, so we only take X amount, how?, use a zener diode for the exact requirements of your mosfet and NO MORE. The rest of the energy goes to the other coil setup or setups. Your coil capacitor is now empty and ready for another high voltage charge without Lenze coming to stick the boot in again

You are getting there, I feel it.

Another thing is if you use copper or aluminium as a core it has to be connected so as it is part of the capacitor "it has to be drained of it's electrical charge or again Lenze puts the boot in again

Mike

[Xenomorph]

Okay i must clarify something about the coils.
I have not used them in capacitive mode.
The eh-antenna pdf depicts an Hz-aerial which shows 2 connected bucking coils.



I used that.
Just tried it again using the 2 shorted coils as capacitor
and there is just some tiny spikes but no mentionable voltage
measurable across the 2 coils.
The capacitance between the 2 coils would be also fairly low.

In post #57, Mike states:

Wind a bifiler coil, the start of one wire will be 1s and the other 2s, the finish ends will be 1f and 2f. Now connect 1s and 1f together and 2s and 2f together. what you have made is two coils with a capacitance built in joining them together. We do not want an antenna, we want a magnetic coil with a vortex field and this is one way to do it.

That was the coil of my first experiment.
Since the windings are tightly together you do get a bigger capacitance.
But contrary to what Mike suggests in post #33

It is ALL in winding the coils in ANTIPHASE to create a unique vortex field

that coil is not technically wound in antiphase.

The only possible approach to wind 2 antiphase coils that exhibit at least some inter-winding capacitance would be
to wind them in layers ontop of each other.
Coil1 Layer 1,3,5...
Coil2 Layer 2,4,6...

and have a huge amount of turns,so the area increases the capacitance somewhat, but unfortunately
i don't expect that capacitance to stay in the nanofarad range, which would not really promise huge charges.