3D electromagnetic field

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Here is someone elses diagram

Hi there,

Here is someone else's diagram of a capacitive coil, used by quantumuppercut in the Romero thread. This is one way to create it, the winding is the same but the connections are different. If the red was connected to red and blue to blue that is the way I would connect it, there is no connection other than capacitive.

You can use this as a drive coil and a generator coil, there will not be a Lenze effect.

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Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

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A P.S.

You really need to test this on a rotor, if you get it to run then it will charge as well.

Mike

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I must admitt

I must admitt to being a little lost.

I'm reading.....

[Xenomorph]

Hi there,

Here is someone else's diagram of a capacitive coil, used by quantumuppercut in the Romero thread. This is one way to create it, the winding is the same but the connections are different. If the red was connected to red and blue to blue that is the way I would connect it, there is no connection other than capacitive.

You can use this as a drive coil and a generator coil, there will not be a Lenze effect.

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Mike

If i interpret that imageshack diagram right it is like my first coil
Bifilar wound close to each other and with the ends open circuit?
It is even important at what end of the coil you attach the scope.
Voltage at one end is lower than at the other.
I noticed if i short circuit that coil 1s to 1e and 2s to 2e ,the voltage collapses by 80%.

[mondrasek]

Hi there,

Here is someone else's diagram of a capacitive coil, used by quantumuppercut in the Romero thread. This is one way to create it, the winding is the same but the connections are different. If the red was connected to red and blue to blue that is the way I would connect it, there is no connection other than capacitive.

You can use this as a drive coil and a generator coil, there will not be a Lenze effect.

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Mike

Mike, if we connect the red to red and the blue to blue I think we end up with two shorted coils on one core. This creates full Lenz drag on the rotor (at least in my case).

When I try quantumuppercut's idea I end up with a wave form that even more closely resembles RomeroUK's posted O-scope pictures if taken dirrectly from a single coil. Unfortunately, after rectifying that wave form it does not want to charge the large Dump Cap except very slowly. So attaching any load kills the output V immediately.

Obviously I am not qualified to second guess anyone's concepts in this arena. I'm just stating what I have observed. So if you have any guidance or explanations I would welcome them.

M.

[Xenomorph]

As i have pointed out right after testing the capacitive coil, the measured capacitance is in the low nanofarad range.
While this reading might allow to determine the approximate range, i am aware of the fact that an LCR meter is not made to measure coil capacitance.

I have also tried series caps to increase the capacitance, but that did not
yield more,because the coil's own capacitance (area of opposed plates)
is what limits the received energy.
I suspect for such a coil to yield higher output it would have to be physically large or maybe wound with flat copper-sheets/stripes.

[quantumuppercut]

As i have pointed out right after testing the capacitive coil, the measured capacitance is in the low nanofarad range.
While this reading might allow to determine the approximate range, i am aware of the fact that an LCR meter is not made to measure coil capacitance.

I have also tried series caps to increase the capacitance, but that did not
yield more,because the coil's own capacitance (area of opposed plates)
is what limits the received energy.
I suspect for such a coil to yield higher output it would have to be physically large or maybe wound with flat copper-sheets/stripes.

If you put a series cap in addition to the open bifilar, then whatever lower capacitance would dominate the loop in my opinion. I quit using wire capacitance and go straight for series cap because I know you mention nanofarad wire capacitance. We need wattage.

Hey mondrasek, that's very interesting information. Thanks.

[Xenomorph]

If you put a series cap in addition to the open bifilar, then whatever lower capacitance would dominate the loop in my opinion. I quit using wire capacitance and go straight for series cap because I know you mention nanofarad wire capacitance. We need wattage.

Hey mondrasek, that's very interesting information. Thanks.

"Quitting wire capacitance" ?
So you connect the coil in the regular inductive fashion and add a series cap?

[quantumuppercut]

"Quitting wire capacitance" ?
So you connect the coil in the regular inductive fashion and add a series cap?

Yep, that's what I did

[mondrasek]

Wind a bifiler coil, the start of one wire will be 1s and the other 2s, the finish ends will be 1f and 2f. Now connect 1s and 1f together and 2s and 2f together. what you have made is two coils with a capacitance built in joining them together. We do not want an antenna, we want a magnetic coil with a vortex field and this is one way to do it.

Mike, are you sure you did not mean 1s to 2f and 2s to 1f like in the picture @scratchrobot posted in the other thread? I just want to be clear if your idea works differently or if the connections were mixed up. Like I said, it caused major Lenz drag on my system.

PS, I changed the direction of the arrow in red from the original diagram.

M.

[Xenomorph]

@M: He wanted to have a pure capacitive effect between the windings.
For that to happen they can't be serially conductively electrically connected.
As soon as you connect the windings you are back on the pure inductive road.

Actually the way you charge the individual coils is still inductively.
Someone who has lots of copper wire lying around can try to get this concept somewhere by making 2 2000 turn coils and see what capacitance
he'll get. Possibly best with the interchanging layer technique to increase area.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

@M: He wanted to have a pure capacitive effect between the windings.
For that to happen they can't be serially conductively electrically connected.
As soon as you connect the windings you are back on the pure inductive road.

Actually the way you charge the individual coils is still inductively.
Someone who has lots of copper wire lying around can try to get this concept somewhere by making 2 2000 turn coils and see what capacitance
he'll get. Possibly best with the interchanging layer technique to increase area.

Yes, you are right, but if you use litz wire you can wind this like an ordinary coil, but after say if it has 8 strands, separate into 4 + 4 and connect the start of one 4 to the end of that 4 and the same for the start and end of the other four, now you have your two connections.

For this to work properly the frequency is very important and that will change depending on coil size and power of the rotor magnets "it has to be tuned", that will come with experimenting, you will not find a calculator to work that out for you, well not at the moment

Mike

[MonsieurM]

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[MonsieurM]

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http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/

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[Dave45]

Improvements in and Relating to Apparatus for Producing Electricity

Roy Jerome Meyers


Roy J. Meyers: Absorber (Atmospheric Electrical Generator)



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Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles

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