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  • #16
    Understanding what happens

    Originally posted by tutanka View Post
    If Mike have open and posted that pdf is because want help peoples to understand. But the main problem is that peoplecan't see inside Mike mind and for that reason is very difficult understand.. Simply Mike using that method solve some problems that surely have with old RF reactor.
    Using that method you can process your water molecules in the middle of EM field and obtain in output your gas , that semplify previously method but my question is you obtain an high efficiency >90% during the reaction?
    Im not sure of that because during my test the variable of time inside process is very important.
    Hi Alex, this does not relate directly to my ORIGINAL RF splitting of the water molecule, but it is related to the e-beam reactor in so much that the electric field and the magnetic field are created along with a third field "one of current" which does not come from the input power, it is created in free space between the atoms within that free space, hundreds of times more powerful than you could ever put into the input of your system.

    Where does that power come from? well it comes from the stressed atoms without breaking them "if it did that would be a nuclear reaction and this is not ".

    Yes I do keep things close to my chest and I am still alive I am the only one that knows how to make this e-beam reactor for molecular manipulation, as far as I know at the moment

    The RF breaking of the water molecule was just the start of a long road to where I am today with the e-beam reactor, and I can see more work needed even though the system works as it is. If this is to go out into the world to be used, it will be in the best possible form so as not to be thrown to the wolves and devoured and to never be seen again.

    This thread is for showing how this third field can be used in other ways in the quest for energy generation, it has been used, just that nobody really knows what it is or how it is made or how it can be used. Nothing to do with my RF OR E-BEAM REACTOR, well not here anyway.

    This thread is to show the way, like a shining light, how and why you can get a magnetic pulse motor to self run, as an example lets keep it that way

    Mike

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      Last edited by Xenomorph; 08-08-2011, 07:27 PM.

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      • #18
        Good example

        Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
        you reminded me of

        Felix Ehrenhaft: Magnetic Current --- 9 articles



        pay attention to his set up and compare to the set up of the EH Antenna

        That is a good example where current is created, "the 3D", in the molecular structure of water, and gess what, NO INPUT

        Mike

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        • #19
          Thank you Mike for confirming my suspicions ..so the good news is we can explain Felix Ehrenhaft's experiment and now we have two applications to study and hopefully develop newer ones


          I'll have to review all the experiments i talked about in my various threads and figure out if 3D electromagnetic field plays a major role in it (which i have the feeling that it is the missing piece of the puzzle)


          note: Tesla's experiment may have to be relooked at with the 3D electromagnetic field in mind


          Last edited by MonsieurM; 08-08-2011, 06:00 PM.
          Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
            Thank you Mike for confirming my suspicions ..so the good news is we can explain Felix Ehrenhaft's experiment and now we have two applications to study and hopefully develop newer ones


            I'll have to review all the experiments i talked about in my various threads and figure out if 3D electromagnetic field plays a major role in it (which i have the feeling that it is the missing piece of the puzzle)


            note: Tesla's experiment may have to be relooked at with the 3D electromagnetic field in mind


            Yes, I have a feeling that he knew all about this and never documented it or it was destroyed.

            Mike

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            • #21
              Originally posted by skaght View Post
              Mike,

              This appears to explain aspects of what I've been working on. I've been using pulsed coils to produce magnetic fields for healing. I initially assumed the strongest effects would come from the ends of the coil. Based on reading the link you provided, I surmised that it might actually be a magnetic field with infinite wavelength as described on the website, so the actual beneficial field is radiating off the sides of the coil. After some simple experiments, that seems to be the case. I'm really excited about designing further experiments to test out these concepts.

              Thanks!!!!
              i was just wondering about 3D electromagnetic field and coils.... I have three particular experiment i talked about and one of them uses Tesla coil ; Mike, I think you may be right about Tesla knowing about it...

              the experiments i refer to are:

              Francis E. WILKINSON: High-Frequency Transformations ( http://www.energeticforum.com/136338-post22.html )

              Leon SPRINK:Space Activator (http://www.energeticforum.com/135946-post17.html )

              and Tszyan KAN'CHZHEN: Microwave Transfer of Biological Information

              http://www.energeticforum.com/136258-post21.html

              for now...
              Last edited by MonsieurM; 08-08-2011, 07:44 PM.
              Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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              • #22
                Years ago, I saw a web page explaining a CD conditioning technology by Bedini. He used a coil wrapped around a magnet and there was a field that came off perpendicular that was used to treat the CD. Years later, I've searched for that web page and have come up empty handed. However, I think it's the same field described here that was being used by Bedini years ago. If you pulse a coil, I would guess you'd get the same type field radiating off the sides as the magnetic field swirls in opposite directions through each loop of coil. Basically if you look at a solenoid, the turn above and the turn below an individual turn would act the same as the cylinders and coils demonstrated in the PDF you posted.

                This may also fit with the idea that Tesla was moving towards pulsed DC, rather than AC, since pulsed DC would keep spinning the electrons in the same direction.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Michael John Nunnerley View Post
                  Hi Alex, this does not relate directly to my ORIGINAL RF splitting of the water molecule, but it is related to the e-beam reactor in so much that the electric field and the magnetic field are created along with a third field "one of current" which does not come from the input power, it is created in free space between the atoms within that free space, hundreds of times more powerful than you could ever put into the input of your system.

                  Where does that power come from? well it comes from the stressed atoms without breaking them "if it did that would be a nuclear reaction and this is not ".

                  Yes I do keep things close to my chest and I am still alive I am the only one that knows how to make this e-beam reactor for molecular manipulation, as far as I know at the moment

                  The RF breaking of the water molecule was just the start of a long road to where I am today with the e-beam reactor, and I can see more work needed even though the system works as it is. If this is to go out into the world to be used, it will be in the best possible form so as not to be thrown to the wolves and devoured and to never be seen again.

                  This thread is for showing how this third field can be used in other ways in the quest for energy generation, it has been used, just that nobody really knows what it is or how it is made or how it can be used. Nothing to do with my RF OR E-BEAM REACTOR, well not here anyway.

                  This thread is to show the way, like a shining light, how and why you can get a magnetic pulse motor to self run, as an example lets keep it that way

                  Mike
                  Mike,
                  why use complicated RF circuit when for creation of fuel gas you can use simply high voltage and affordable mechanical parts? E-beam reactor with new source of electrons work great. Probably you are oriented to extract energy directly but isn't my goal at this time.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by skaght View Post
                    This may also fit with the idea that Tesla was moving towards pulsed DC, rather than AC, since pulsed DC would keep spinning the electrons in the same direction.
                    so pulsed DC gives you the cycle....



                    Note: Tesla interplanetary communication apparatus would probably make more sense in light of 3D electromagnetic field theory


                    SETI needs to retool its Receivers...
                    Last edited by MonsieurM; 08-08-2011, 08:02 PM.
                    Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                    • #25
                      this quote is right on the subject

                      from Contact:
                      S.R. Hadden

                      if you think like a Vegan. An alien intelligence is going to be more advanced. That means efficiency functioning on multiple levels and in multiple dimensions.
                      just like a Fractal Construct....

                      V.I.Korobejnikov does deserve a Nobel of physics, because when you start to wrap your mind around it (not yet there ), it is quite a revolutionary theory
                      Last edited by MonsieurM; 08-08-2011, 08:21 PM.
                      Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                      • #26
                        Combination

                        Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
                        so pulsed DC gives you the cycle....
                        DC riding on a wave, like a surfer on a wave in the ocean, you have three things happening, DC riding on the wave which creates the forward power.

                        @Alex, the e-beam does not use complicated electronics, the frequencies are in the khz and as so do not need complicated electronics, but it has to be right and tuned to create the high current that is generated inside the molecules that you put in there.

                        The higher the current generated "which is riding on a wave", the greater the vibration of the molecule and the quicker it breaks, that is what happens with molecules, "molecular vibration".

                        What I am trying to show here is that this can be applied to the Muller generator and others and probably was in the original Muller generator.

                        What you have to do is create a higher current than the input current and that current comes from the third electromagnetic field, if you can call it that, or it will never self run. I am not into building motor generators at the moment, but I will give all the help I can to someone to build one.

                        Mike

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Michael John Nunnerley View Post
                          DC riding on a wave, like a surfer on a wave in the ocean, you have three things happening, DC riding on the wave which creates the forward power.


                          Mike
                          You just made my day

                          from http://www.energeticforum.com/143854-post16.html

                          the way i see it, the waves of oceans provides us with best hint on how energy is transfered from one antenna to the another. think of a surfer riding his wave, now what if i told you that the surfer is the energy you are trying to transfer and the wave is the coupled resonance of both antennas (you should not see both antennas as two separate bodies but actually as one "big wave" ready to be riden ).


                          -----
                          What I am trying to show here is that this can be applied to the Muller generator and others and probably was in the original Muller generator.
                          exactly my thoughts

                          Mike, I understand what you mean, it is probably high time to stop thinking in 2D and move into a 3D approach :

                          It means efficiency functioning on multiple levels and in multiple dimensions.


                          Originally posted by skaght View Post
                          Years ago, I saw a web page explaining a CD conditioning technology by Bedini. He used a coil wrapped around a magnet (or Iron cores ) and there was a field that came off perpendicular that was used to treat the CD.
                          This may also fit with the idea that Tesla was moving towards pulsed DC, rather than AC, since pulsed DC would keep spinning the electrons in the same direction.
                          Last edited by MonsieurM; 08-08-2011, 09:12 PM.
                          Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Michael John Nunnerley View Post
                            DC riding on a wave, like a surfer on a wave in the ocean, you have three things happening, DC riding on the wave which creates the forward power.

                            @Alex, the e-beam does not use complicated electronics, the frequencies are in the khz and as so do not need complicated electronics, but it has to be right and tuned to create the high current that is generated inside the molecules that you put in there.

                            The higher the current generated "which is riding on a wave", the greater the vibration of the molecule and the quicker it breaks, that is what happens with molecules, "molecular vibration".

                            What I am trying to show here is that this can be applied to the Muller generator and others and probably was in the original Muller generator.

                            What you have to do is create a higher current than the input current and that current comes from the third electromagnetic field, if you can call it that, or it will never self run. I am not into building motor generators at the moment, but I will give all the help I can to someone to build one.

                            Mike
                            Mike I refer to your 3D electromagnetic field, that need for work RF circuits and coils. I know how e-beam work including molecular vibration as you call but e-beam work also using only high voltage in khz frequency

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                            • #29
                              Tesla also said:

                              Quite different conditions exist in my system in which the electromagnetic waves or radiations are designedly minimized. the connection of one of, the terminals of the transmitting circuit to the ground having, itself, the effect of reducing the energy of these radiations to about one-half, Under observance of 'proper rules and artifices the distance is of little or no consequence, and by skillful application of the principle of "individualization," repeatedly referred to the messages may be rendered both non-interfering and non-interferable. This invention, which I have described in technical publications, attempts to imitate, in a very crude way, the nervous system in the human body.' Nicolas Tesla


                              besides the fact that the nervous system is Fractal (http://www.energeticforum.com/psychi...l-antenna.html )

                              Note: Neuronal Pulse = pulsed DC



                              linked this thread to my other threads
                              Last edited by MonsieurM; 08-08-2011, 10:22 PM.
                              Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” -Confucius.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by MonsieurM View Post
                                Tesla also said:





                                besides the fact that the nervous system is Fractal (http://www.energeticforum.com/psychi...l-antenna.html )

                                Note: Neuronal Pulse = pulsed DC



                                linked this thread to my other threads
                                Probably that help your mind to understand ... all is based on electrons and electrons are the key
                                Last edited by tutanka; 08-13-2011, 12:05 PM.

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