can an electric motor run a generator to power itself?

[mbrownn]

This is something I am currently working on, using a standard dc motor to make it run itself, also known as the Lockridge device.

The first obstacle I am trying to overcome is parts, I need a low resistance high inductance DC motor. This will make it big and expensive for the amount of output we can expect, so I am working with computer models for now.


So that people can grasp what I am saying I think I must start a new thread on regenerative circuits.

[irishman]

looking forward to it!

[irishman]

found this online!

seems very promising!

http://www.free-energy-devices.com/f...utting/D14.pdf

[Farmhand]

Hi guys, I picked up this 28 KW ( I think ) motor but I think I might be getting a bit ambitious.
It's very heavy, I need the tractor or a trolley to move it.


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The shaft spins freely, but its a heavy armature of course.

I think it might be something like this one. I don't know what the unit in this video does, but it looks interesting.
30 kW motor starting - YouTube

I guess i should do some research and find out if it might be usefull to me.
Ive got some smaller housings with the fields but no armature's in them, I might be able to get some more. Hopefully smaller ones.

Cheers

[mbrownn]

That looks like an AC induction motor to me

[Farmhand]

Yeah it's an AC induction motor. One way to make it run itself would be to use it as the generator and drive it with a small car engine fitted with a rad HHO setup. I guess the water would actually be running it then. Oops. Anyway I think it's rather too big to be efficient enough to use with another motor as a motor generator. But I do have two 6 cylinder car engines I could connect one to it. But thats a different thread.

I'll try to get a smaller one. Or two. I have some smaller housings with fields but no rotors unfortunately.

An induction motor will generate won't it ? If driven just over the rated speed from what I can tell.

Hmm I've got some small appliance motors as well, just collecting motors at the moment. I guess I'll work out what ones to use later. I'll see what else I can get.

I've seen so many good idea's lately, you'rs included, that I want to try some things with motors.

Cheers

[mbrownn]

I don't think it is possible to get energy recovery from spikes in AC so I don't know how to make an AC motor regenerative and this makes improving its output difficult.

Induction motors do make good generators.

[Gearloose]

Looks like a 2x4 to me if that's the case it holds the table together.

I may be skeptical but I would guess the 2X4 hides the power cable to the building behind.
If they were being open and honest you would want your discovery to get out to the public

[mbrownn]

Some hide their info in the hope that they can patent it and make some money out of their Idea. In truth what happens here is someone buys them off and buries the patent and the info never gets out. Yes there are a lot of fakes and scams out there too.

I have studied this concept for years and a self running motor generator is possible and does not break the laws of physics, but it is not easy with off the shelf products as their design prevents the effects that would allow us to do it. As I see it we have two possible methods

1 get the energy from another source in a similar way to how a crystal radio works ie draw the power from the environment.

2 Recycle the energy so that it gets used more than once.

A motor works because of the "FREE" magnetism produced when a current passes through a wire. This magnetism does not consume the energy but it can be made to store energy, collect it or generate it.

My method recycles the energy over and over again creating new magnetism each time so that all we have to do is make up the efficiency losses.

If we have a 100w motor that is 70% efficient we loose 30w and the other 70w can be recovered. We then run the motor with this 70w plus 30w from the supply. Our motor is now running at 100w with only a 30W input and a 100w motor could produce 50w output in a generator with no problem so we would have 30w for the supply to the motor and 20w extra to do with what we will.

It sounds simple and the concept is, but in reality it is much more complex.

[boguslaw]

yeah,simply you need unidirectional flow of energy , then close loop and only need to compensate friction
100W motor should run fine on 10W on full load exactly like on idle
look at Kugushov transformer

[mbrownn]

yeah,simply you need unidirectional flow of energy , then close loop and only need to compensate friction
100W motor should run fine on 10W on full load exactly like on idle
look at Kugushov transformer

I don't know about that transformer but in addition to friction we have to flow enough current to create the desired magnetic force, this will require a voltage enough to exceed the ohmic resistance and the coil impedance. The amount of energy lost to resistance is given by ohms law. no energy is lost overcoming impedance but it does restrict flow. Another loss is the iron loss ie eddy currents etc. The current passes through the coils and is lost in the source, ie shorted. The voltage drops according to ohms law and the iron losses but the current remains the same. As a result of this a free magnetic field was created and when this field collapses a new current flows out of the coil and around the circuit if it is allowed to. This has the same energy as the input less the losses. This is the principal used in Pulse width modulation and is not new. It is not stored energy as the energy passed through the coil in the first place and was shorted on the source. This new current is also responsible for a magnetic force and this is why PWM can be almost twice as efficient as DC.

Once you understand this your statement about running a 100w motor on 10 watts makes sense as we can collect the second new current and use it to power the next pulse provided that the losses are less than 10%.

I have been working on the Lockridge trifilar coil and its functions for some time, so I will try to learn about this transformer as it may hold clues.

I see Vidbid has a thread about it so I will start to follow that, thanks for the heads up

[vidbid]

Is It Possible

I believe it is possible, but not with conventional motors and generators.

You would need something like a Bob Teal Motor and a Bill Muller Generator working together.

[mbrownn]

I believe it is possible, but not with conventional motors and generators.

You would need something like a Bob Teal Motor and a Bill Muller Generator working together.

You could be right but I am working on the belief that the Lockridge device was real and that was a slightly modified conventional generator of the time used in a motor configuration.

I don't know if you have followed the work I have done but I came up with several possibilities that in theory could work but they all had the same problem, current. I could not get the current I needed to run an off the shelf motor without putting so much voltage in, that the motor would melt. Ok we could rewire a motor to run off little current but if the Lockridge device was real it wasn't made that way.

I agree that there are more efficient designs of motor and generator that we could use and that this would make things simpler in some ways but I think we are getting closer to cracking this one. Even if the overunity is poor, if we can get an off the shelf type motor to power itself, with little modification, that should be enough to start to cause a paradigm shift in the electrical field.

This way all the other overunity devices that have greater potential would get looked at and progress could be made.

By the way, I do enjoy your posts even if I can't grasp it all

[themacgyverguy]

Does anyone know how they wired the switches on the 3000 Watt Generator Powers Itself, A Grinder & Drill Press on the YouTube video?

[mbrownn]

No I don't, I have seen that video but I am not convinced that it is real. I have seen another video that looked more convincing but the video was taken down and now after all me research, I think that that one may have been real.