Thane Heins Delayed Lenz

[nilrehob]

Yesterday I had some time with my 12-coiler,
i replaced one of the coils with a new coil for generation only,
it had thinner wire and thus lots of more turns,
when i shorted it (permanently) i had definite acceleration



It seems the recipe is simple:
1) magnets passing by the coil fast, high frequency
2) high inductance coil, high voltage

In my case the rpm ranged from 2000 to 5000 (depending on adjustments to the motor)
which would be 433 Hz to 1083 Hz with 13 magnets,
and the gen coil was 257 mH where while motor coils power-winding where 3.8 mH, same formfactor.

Next time i have time for it i'll make a video.

Until then, here is another replicator:
Delayed Lenz / Negative Lenz Effect, the Way to Overunity - YouTube

/Hob

[Joit]

I think the same for the Basic Idea, just no Idea how i can put it together.
In that Video what you show is may to consider how much Duty Cycle he has at the PWM and rise Time at the Coil. The Load on the Coil creates BEMF, what appears at the Magnets from the Rotor and produce the cogging Effect.
But i am still not sure, if you can go with this Setup to close 100% or above,
because mostly you miss either enough Potential or enough Current at Generating. Taking more Coils maybe need a carefully adjusting of them.

[nilrehob]

I will post in this thread instead:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...nz-effect.html

/Hob

[toranarod]

I will post in this thread instead:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...nz-effect.html

/Hob

Great Video
Thank you

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, I am going to wind one of my 5/16" bolt cores with 30 gauge and possibly later wrap on top of that 24 gauge, if it has the speed up effect.

I wonder about about thanes theory about impedance increasing with frequency causing current not to flow until top dead center, at which point there is no more state of change and then current starts to flow causing a repulsion kick.
Should this theory also apply to a large air core coil of 30 gauge wire, or is the core needed for more inductance or would the air core need very high rpm to achieve the effect?
Maybe I will wind a large 30 gauge air coil to test, unless any other folks care to test it out.
peace love light
tyson

[toranarod]

Hi folks, I am going to wind one of my 5/16" bolt cores with 30 gauge and possibly later wrap on top of that 24 gauge, if it has the speed up effect.

I wonder about about thanes theory about impedance increasing with frequency causing current not to flow until top dead center, at which point there is no more state of change and then current starts to flow causing a repulsion kick.
Should this theory also apply to a large air core coil of 30 gauge wire, or is the core needed for more inductance or would the air core need very high rpm to achieve the effect?
Maybe I will wind a large 30 gauge air coil to test, unless any other folks care to test it out.
peace love light
tyson

What is the RPM of your System? your core and magnet size ?

I have replicated Thane work But we need to move to better systems to create a self runner.


I have the RPM Now its about core coil Design's

Muller Motor Driven by Out Runner to 8000 RPM - YouTube

[SkyWatcher]

Hi rod, I haven't setup the drive motor yet, though will today, it's a treadmill motor, so rather large.
I have pulleys and belts to test for now, thinking about how i can do a direct drive setup, though I don't have couplers or machining equipment, so rather limited now.
I did a quick test of the 30 gauge coil, it is 98 ohms and just by lightly spinning the shaft by hand, I can get 15 vac with magnets an inch away from core.
I also have same core on opposite side, though using 24 gauge wire for load coil. I have holes drilled for 5 coil/cores per side for later testing.
Though I may just wrap 24 gauge on top of 30 gauge coil if it shows speed up effect.
The cores are 5/16" diameter steel bolts, 1" diameter X 3/4" deep neo magnets, 6 stacks on rotor.
peace love light
tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Here's a pic, also showing the large treadmill motor rated at 120 vdc-4800 rpm.



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peace love light
tyson

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, well I powered up the setup using a 6" pulley on motor and 4" on rotor shaft using 12 volts and then 24 volts input.
At 12 volts input and 30 gauge-98 ohm coil/core shorted there was NO acceleration or reduced motor load.
At 24 volts input and same coil/core, shorted coil there was acceleration and the motor input dropped from 1.61 amps to 1.54 amps.
At 12 volts, rpm is around 750 rpm on generator shaft
At 24 volts, rpm is around 1500 rpm on generator shaft.

I also tried the same cores using 24 gauge coil-6.4 ohms and did not see acceleration at 12 or 24 volt input, probably needs higher rpm to show effect.
Hope this helps anyone.

peace love light
tyson

[Web000x]

I am unable to do any experimentation until tomorrow evening.

Has anyone found that you are only getting half the power out due to the forced delayed reaction?

I definitely see the implications of being able to add as many coils as one would need but am still curious as to the exact amount of power that is able to be drawn off of each coil.

Can somebody show a scope shot of an unloaded and a loaded coil?

Thanks,

Dave

[elias]

@nilrehob

Good work! It is very important to test the RPM without coil and with coil, and also with a shorted coil.

Although I am sure that there is something to this effect, but you should do a test of your system without the core near to it to see how much the eddy currents negatively affect the rotor RPM. unless you are using less than 1mm welding rods you will see a good amount of eddy drag.

I have never seen Thane show this, and I am confused why, because this proves that something is really "added" to the system by the coil.

Elias

[Allen Burgess]

Lidmotor's Maggie.

Lidmotor demonstrated a Snake Egg bearingless video that showed acceleration of the single magnet rotor, coupled with drop in input when his satillite magnet sphere output coil, we're all familiar with as Maggie, was positioned in close adjacency to the Sanke Egg rotor.

Maggie's wraps are not thin hi voltage like Nilhrob's, but 26 or 28 gauge. My theory is Lidmotor's tiny Satillite magnet sphere is retarding the induced magnet pole in the ouput coil because the Maggie satillite core sphere is traveling slower then the primary rotor magnet, hence generating Lenz delay propulsion with a low voltage ouput coil winding. Yet another way to achieve the Thane Hiens effect.

Look at the amp draw on the oscillator when lidmotor takes it away from his maggie out put coil and spinner:

Light Multiplier---Amp draw measurements.ASF - YouTube

synchro
Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 366

Lidmotor's light multiplier

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The Lenz propulsion theory may help explain Lidmotor's amp draw drop effect demonstrated in this video. Lidmotor draws less input power when he's driving Maggie! I believe the spinner is going faster then the induced pole shift of the output coil and catching a forward shove instead of a repulsive drag. The spinner should get twice the propulsion inside the coil from both poles, one on each side.


YouTube - Light Multiplier---Amp draw measurements.ASF!

P.S. Spiral Knot spinner hit 32.2K R.P.M.

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Last edited by synchro : 09-21-2010 at 11:48 PM.

[minoly]

Here I am, late to the party as usual.
I always wondered why that somewhat large coil I have on the 3pm kit sometimes gave out more amps and sometimes did not slow down the rotor as much as the generator coil that came with the kit.
I guess I am not as observant as I thought I was. I ran some tests with it at different speeds and this thread is dead on
one thing that I always did to get more energy out of it is to use the cap dump method.
In fact this is the only build and method that I ever used to get OU results
I mentioned on another thread that I keep this one in a box so I do not disturb it, once in a while I pull it out along with the batteries to try and figure out what it is. It must be this. now I have to order up some more wire...

Patrick

[minoly]

Here I am, late to the party as usual.
I always wondered why that somewhat large coil I have on the 3pm kit sometimes gave out more amps and sometimes did not slow down the rotor as much as the generator coil that came with the kit.
I guess I am not as observant as I thought I was. I ran some tests with it at different speeds and this thread is dead on
one thing that I always did to get more energy out of it is to use the cap dump method.
In fact this is the only build and method that I ever used to get OU results
I mentioned on another thread that I keep this one in a box so I do not disturb it, once in a while I pull it out along with the batteries to try and figure out what it is. It must be this. now I have to order up some more wire...

Patrick

As I think on it, I really do not like cap dumps. Is Thane using that second winding on the outside with a thicker wire to convert the energy to a more usable current. has anyone tried this yet?
I'll have to hack up the kit if I'm to fit a fat coil in there...
excellent and astute observations everyone

Patrick

[Allen Burgess]

Lidmotor's Maggie.

Lidmotor's Maggie.

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Both Lidmotor and JonnyDavro have demonstrated the Lenz delay effect on the no bearing single magnet Bedini thread. Maggie, an air core output coil with a tiny flux activated magnet sphere spinning inside. The primary spinner accelerates, while the input drops when the magnet sphere output coil's placed nearby, close enough to generate power directly from the primary spinner. Maggie will continue to generate power at a greater distance from the primary's magnet flux alone.

Overunityguide's getting a Lenz Delay Propulsion Effect from a thin wire 30 AWG high inductance coil of many turns, 3600 feet worth. The parasitic capacitance is the charge between the wires that forms naturally and causes the Lenz delay. Lidmotors Maggie generates an internal Lenz delay propulsion charge internally from it's flux activated tiny spinning magnet sphere, and generates a much lower voltage output. That's the advantage! Here we see a core magnet increase coil capacitance and Lenz Delay Propulsion with much less wire and more useable voltage!

Synchro followed this discovery with another advance following experimentation with a Magnet core Cook battery, a single layer of 32 AWG primary covered with a 16 guage secondary wired in Tesla Hi Voltage series.

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