Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[qvision]

@ All.

When we are talking about high-inductance coils being better for the delayed Lenz effect, do we mean the inductance of the coil with or without the core ?

[citfta]

Thanks

Hi Allen,

Thanks for the info. I have built many SSG circuits so that is nothing new for me. I wasn't sure what you meant by the Johnny Davro reference earlier although I do remember seeing a lot of postings by him a year or so ago. I'll see what I can come up with later today or this evening when I get some extra time. Thanks again,

Carroll

[Allen Burgess]

Inductance.

@qvision,

One can measure coil capacitance of a Hi inductance wrap simply with or without a core or cores of different material, just by charging the coil from a battery. The magnetic strength of a coil is directly proportional to the number of turns, along with the voltage. Iron ferrite cores increase the magnetic strength. Touch the coil leads to a battery, and measure the stored charge with and without the ferrite core and compare the results. Thin wire coils of many turns store a charge between the tightly wraped wires. Test the storage capacity with different cores this way and compare them to the air core alone. Air has an inductance value along with Iron. The higher the capacitance, the better the "Delayed Lenz Effect", because this self induced coil charge retards the magnetic pole shift. Try a diametric magnet in the coil core, then try a thin wire series wraped bifilar of many turns with and without a diametric magnet core and compare those results to iron ferrite and air alone. The higher the coil capacitance, the less input power and rotor speed you need to benifit from the propulsion effect. It's important to take note of the amount of time it takes for the charge to bleed off through the multimeter. The longer it holds, the higher the reluctance of the core. This is function of capacitance.

Reluctance is a different matter. Gotoluc, over at the Overunity site, is attempting to test a high inductance nanoperm metglass toroid core. It magnatizes fast and strong, but also demagnatizes fast and completely. The rapid loss of magnetic strength, or low reluctance value, may not help improve the hysterisis loop that creates "Lenz Delay". This core would show a high charge that would vanish quick. Probably not the best choice.

[frenky]

So your setup is something like this?
TEST TUBE GENERATOR.MPG - YouTube

[Allen Burgess]

"Test Tube Generator Video".

@Frenky,

I'm a big fan of 62498's. We have been exchangeing ideas for years now. Thanks for turning me on to his new "Test Tube Generator Video". I haven't seen that one yet, but his generator is merely the power portion of my motor alternator.

I'm very glad you brought this up though, because I replicated his circuit, and my spiral power coil bifilar runs the America LED bulbs off the spiral coil BEMF just fine. The problem with his circuit and my motor alternator, is that it will only light the bulbs below the "Lenz Delay Threshold".

The RPM'S I need to get the "Lenz Delay Propulsion" in my unit burns the bulbs out, because the spiral coil BEMF is way too high a voltage. I would need to design a new circuit to accomplish both jobs. He's just idleing that sphere rotor. That said, marrying 62498's bifilar BEMF kind of circuit to my motor alternator would definitly be OU> 1. I tried it, just needs a properly wound flux core step down trasformer. More work. It has real good possibilities. I have to run my spiral power coil BEMF into a charge battery, which dosen't seem to want to stick. Thank you.

[qvision]

The test tube generator is a few months old now, Tom has moved on to a very creative idea using just permanent magnets and a Lazy Susan turntable thingy.

I got myself some 0.125mm wire at lunchtime and i have cut a new coil former and am winding a new coil, this thin wire takes AGES to wind i'd forgotten what it is like, my drill is now charging for the third time !

I'll report back after i've tested the new coil, hopefully i wil be a member of the Anti-Lenz Gang by that time ;+}

[Allen Burgess]

Run away spinner.

I lash wraped a thread spool bifilar coil from two partial spools of Radio Shack red magnet wire, that took about two minutes. It bulged in the middle, and was randomly spaced but tight. I wired it in Tesla hi voltage series fashion, and stuck it through a CD with widened center hole. I then positioned a Radio Shack reed switch flat against the underside of the CD, right next to the coil face and wired it in series between the coil and a 6 amp 12 volt battery.

I spun a 3/4" diametric magnet on a pair of costly 1/4" ceramic bearings on a 1/8" brass rod. I laesr tached the RPM's from underneath, and measured the battery voltage input with a multi meter.

The results were awesome and startling! At high speed, maybe 15,000 RPMS, at the upward limit of the reed switch on-off speed, the magnet spinner just took off and ran away under it's own steam, with the reed switch stuck and no longer any drop in battery voltage up to 30,000 RPM, the bearing friction limit. The tiny coil began to run cool after run away. This was also before my video camera returned from the JVC repair department, but I have snapshots of the setup. Click on the thumbnails:

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These are pictures of a very simple "Lenz Delay Propulsion" demonstration design:

Left to right:

1- View of the 3/4" spinner in the 2&1/2" PVC core.
2- Miniature 1/4" O.D. , 1/8" I.D. all ceramic bearing on top of a Radio Shack 12 volt 6 amp hour battery.
3- Position of the 12 volt Reed Switch on the Hi Voltage Spool Coil. Pins should point away from the magnet.
4- Top secured for running with coil seated down partly inside the output core.
5- The six main componants: Power coil on core, 3/4" diametric tube magnet, 1/8" inch brass axel, ceramic bearing, battery and Reed Switch.

[Allen Burgess]

Coil efficency.

@citfta,

Take a look at Frenky's thumbnail schematic of Magnetman's circuit, four posts up. You'll notice a 12 volt relay, resistor and two potentiometers between the inner coil wire and the transister base. This is what I called the "Jonnydavro" power miser circuit. This circuit addition to the Bedini SSG helps conserve power, but it's a bit tricky to deal with. You don't need it. The thread spool unit above dosen't even use a transister, but exhibits "Lenz Delay Propulsion" in an undeniable and very impressive way. The only drawback to this simple design is the ceramic bearing cost. $50 apiece, prohibative for some. I ruined one and just centered the other, and gained even higher RPM's on the uni-bearing. A bit dodgy starting up, but once the inertial stability takes over it can really sizzle! Here's a link to the bearing manufacturer:

Angular Contact Full Ceramic Bearings

[citfta]

Hi Allen,

I looked at the circuit frenky posted and it is what I thought it was. I just wasn't sure about it until I saw it. Thanks for telling me about it. I am impressed with your little coil and reed switch circuit. That is some amazing speed. Thanks for sharing.

Carroll

[qvision]

My day is going terribly

First, the start end of the wind of my new coil snapped off, meaning i would have to rewind it to have both ends of the wind accessible.

Now my coil-former has snapped

I can't just unwind it because i wave-wind my coils, has this happened to anyone else before and is there a known way of retrieving the wire ?

[Allen Burgess]

Coil.

@qvision,

Looks real familiar! Been there and done that. Drop it off at the salvage yard for the smelter.

[frenky]

@qvision:
If you don't plan on reusing the coils wire then you could add a few drops of instant glue every few layers while you wind your coil.

[qvision]

LOL Allen, OK

Cheers frenky, i'll do that this time, just been and bought a new spool.

[qvision]

OK, coil wound.

6.5 Henries
3 kOhms

No delayed Lenz effect with either an Adams type motor going up to 4000 RPM or a diametrically magnetised cylinder magnet going up to 30,000 RPM.

Godammit !

I'm beginning to think 'free energy' is a fairy-tale made up by magnet manufacturers and copper wire manufacturers in cahoots with each other ;+}

[qvision]

******** Maths Update ********

OK i got the maths wrong before !

I'm sure it's right now but please check.

Using OUG's component values :

L : 0.01756
R1 : 19.2
R2 : 220

TC = L/(R1+R2)

TC = 0.01756/239.2 = 0.0734113712 mS

So, to beat the rise time the magnet must pass over the core very quickly.

Rotor diameter is 150mm, magnet diameter is 20mm so magnet centre point is 65mm from centre so the effective diameter is 130mm and our effective circumference (the travel line through the magnet's centre)is Pi x D = 408mm.

Let's say the magnet has to pass over the core in 0.07ms, so it must travel 10mm in 0.07ms.

So, how long does it take for one revolution ?

The circumference to travel is 408mm, so 408/10 = 40.8 and it will take 0.07 * 40.8 = 2.856 mS for one revolution.

How many revolutions is that per second ? One second divided by desired speed = 1000/2.856 = 350.140056022409.

And in RPM, 350.140056022409 * 60 = 21008.40336134454 RPM !

Please check my maths !

I have put it all into a spreadsheet :

lenzbend.xls