Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[minoly]

I think it is important with so many of us having different builds to start to compile very specific data.

to me these are important to nail down an optimal output

Hz - our best results were @ 9,369 magnet passes per second

1.924 Henry
323 ohms
31 or 30 awg can't remember most likely 30
9 welding rods as core
59mm long x 28mm wide
magnets are 3/8 x 3/8 round

the method we used is to physically add the coil while the rotor is spinning. our coil does slow the rotor down from 3253rpm to 3123 rpm. but as we all know the SSG ckt, the amp draw goes down as well and if properly tuned your charging should increase ever so slightly - I digress this is for another thread...

so there are the specs so far. when I get some time I'll post more on the outputs of the coil. we used it to charge a 12 and six volt battery. with each of these loads, the rotor only slowed slightly. w/o a load the rotor slowed down to about 2700 range. one other note
we put the core as close as we can to the magnets - my guess would be 1-2mm gap.

Patrick

I messed up on the Hz - that would be 156.15 Hz
rpm is 3,123 w/ 3 magnets on the rotor.

Patrick

[Allen Burgess]

Lidmotor's Maggie.

Both Lidmotor and JonnyDavro have demonstrated the Lenz delay effect on the no bearing single magnet Bedini thread. Maggie, an air core output coil with a tiny flux activated magnet sphere spinning inside. The primary spinner accelerates, while the input drops when the magnet sphere output coil's placed nearby, close enough to generate power directly from the primary spinner. Maggie will continue to generate power at a greater distance from the primary's magnet flux alone.

Overunityguide's getting a Lenz Delay Propulsion Effect from a thin wire 30 AWG high inductance coil of many turns, 3600 feet worth. The parasitic capacitance is the charge between the wires that forms naturally and causes the Lenz delay. Lidmotors Maggie generates an internal Lenz delay propulsion charge internally from it's flux activated tiny spinning magnet sphere, and generates a much lower voltage output. That's the advantage! Here we see a core magnet increase coil capacitance and Lenz Delay Propulsion with much less wire and more useable voltage!

Synchro followed this discovery with another advance following experimentation with a Magnet core Cook battery, a single layer of 32 AWG primary covered with a 16 guage secondary wired in Tesla Hi Voltage series.

[Allen Burgess]

Bifilar capacitance.

Synchro's discovery was that a thin wire 32 guage bifilar coil, series wired in Tesla Hi Voltage, or "Joule Thief" fashion, generated a high coil capacitance when a diametric magnet was placed inside the air core. This charge developed spontainiously while the magnets were stationary. This effect the basis for the Cook battery. The magnet core bifilar output coil capacitance is much greater then the parasitc capacitance that accumulates naturally in a high inductance coil, and the Lenz delay propulsion effect much greater.

Synchro noted that the output coil magents were attracted to the rotor while standing still, but neutralized when producing Lenz induced poles while spinning. Synchro maintains that he was able to charge the run battery of his Bedini spinner by looping just one magnet core high capacitance 32 guage bifilar Lenz delay propulsion coil back to source. The coil ends were in series with a super capacitor and fast switching diode. Shorting this kind of high capacitance magnet core coil out would most likely create an even higher prime mover spin rate and reduced input.

The advantages to increasing thin wire output coil capacitance with diametric tube magnet cores are twofold: One, coil capacitance can be raised higher then with greater lengths of wire alone! and two, voltage can be kept to a lower and more managable range with less wraps and higher Lenz Dalay Propusion effect.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi Allen, could you explain further what this Magnet core Cook battery is and looks like, when you say magnet core, does that mean permanent magnet or ferromagnetic core, thanks.
peace love light
tyson

[area46241]

simple yet interesting...

I watched and thought about phase current lagging in the inductors. It is my opinion that a four channel scope is needed to line up the drive voltage and current on the first two channels and the driven voltage and current on the second two channels and do a good quality 360 degree graphing of this. Nice clean presentation...

[Allen Burgess]

Cook battery.

@SkyWatcher,

Here's a link to the original Cook battery patent that predates the Edison light bulb:

Daniel McFarland Cook's Electro-Magnetic Battery

Danial McFarland Cook called for either Ferromagnetic or Magnet core. The Ferromagnetic had to be magnatized before the capacative charge appeared in the twin bifilars coils.

The 400 turn 32 AWG bifilar synchro experimented with, had two powerfull 1/2" Neo ring tubes coupled end to end in the coil core. This would be half a Cook battery with an equal gauge seconday, instead of the 16 gauge called for in the patent. Synchro used the coil spool that Radio Shack wraps it's three color kinds of pre-packaged magnet wire on. The spool is 1" high with a 1/2 inch diameter core. Two 1/2" diametric neo ring tubes fit perfectly inside coupled end to end. The coil, shorted out to remove any charge generated from positioning, will begin to aggressivly store a charge while motionless if a super cap is wired in series to a fast switching diode between the leads. When the capacitor tops off, while still connected to the coil, it is ready to supply Lenz Delay Propulsion to the generator rotor. Simply shorting it may act as well. The capacitor can easily loop back to a 12 volt run battery and charge it while powering the Spinner or Rotor simply by connecting the capacitor ends to the correct battery electrodes!

The magnets in the output coil core will attract to the rotor or diametric spinner if positioned while stationary and result in a clumsey sticking issue. It's best to start the rotor or spinner first and gradualy approach with the magnet core coil. This gives the output coil a chance to generate an induced Lenz repulsion field that overpowers the attraction of the core magnets to the rotor magnets or the spinner. Once in position, the coil magnets no longer attract, but maintain coil capacitance charge that delays the manifestation of the induced Lenz pole untill top dead center, and the repulsion now powers the rotor as a pulse coil. This is a different way to achieve the Lenz Delay Propulsion effect with alot less wire, lower RPM'S,and lower and more usable voltage. Three posative advantages over a huge single wrap 30 AWG coil of 3600 feet in wire length like Overunityguide's or Nilrehob's that depend upon the natural formation of parasitic capacitance for their Lenz Delay impedence.

The magnet core Hi-voltage wrap variety of induced capacitance is much more powerfull then the long thin wire of many turns kind and offers the three advantages I already stated: Lenz Delay Propulsion with less output coil wire, at lower RPM'S, generating lower more managable voltage.

[Overunityguide]

I have done a second Video about the:

Delayed Lenz / Negative Lenz Effect for now:
The Difference Between Shorting and Loading

In which I show and clarify how you can get the regenerative acceleration effect when you Short your Generator Coil or when you try to Load your Generator Coil

So if you have any time left, here you can find it:
Delayed Lenz / Negative Lenz Effect, Difference Between Shorting and Loading - YouTube

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

[quantumuppercut]

Nice demo OG (overunityguide,... not original gangster lol)

I look at your hands near the rotor most in the vid. lol

[Allen Burgess]

Shorting vs Load.

@Overunityguide,

Thank you for your new video. You data is accurate enough enough to graph, and help explain to all our failed experimentalists why their results are poor or misleading. An RPM Laser tachometer is a necessary and extremely helpfull instrument for anyone attempting to replicate this effect with a pulse coil and rotor. My advice to all of them is not to give up. The Lenz delay propulsion effect is authentic, albeit a bit elusive. Persistence pays! Good luck.

[elias]

That is GOOD! Thank you. It proves the point that higher speed reduces lenz after effect!

[Allen Burgess]

Coil core.

@Minonly,

Your rotor magnets are attracted to the magnetic welding rod core, which has to slow the rotor down. Think about this: A diametric magnet core has a net attraction of zero, both attracting and repelling rotor magnets of either polarity with equal strength, so they act like an air core.

The rotor dosen't slow down at all when approached by an output coil with a diametric tube magnet core. On the contrary, the rotor begins to speed up right away due to the increased coil capacitance from the magnet core's MEG power generation capability. This is a Cook battery effect that charges the "Joule Thief" wired bifilar thin wire output wrap. Try one of these types and see what kind of rotor propulsion you achieve!

[marxist]

Hi Allen Burgess,

....A diametric magnet core has a net attraction of zero, ...

you write "diametric". Is this a typo? Did you want to write diamagnetic?
Otherwise, could you please clarify what you mean by "diametric core"?
Thanks.

[Allen Burgess]

Diametric magnets.

@Marxist,

Cylinder magnets can be magnatized either end to end termed axialy, or side to side termed diametricly. Ring tubes work the same way, they're just cylinders with holes through the center. They can couple side to side or end to end in which case they create like a figure 8 kind of field. Look at the arrows in the thumbnail. Diametric is from "Diameter". The cylinder would have two poles if looking at from the end, one on the right and one on the left.

[marxist]

Hi Allen Burgess,
I got it: You propose to use a diametrically magnetized magnet as core of the output coil(s).
Thanks for the clarification.

[Overunityguide]

Hi You All,

Today one YouTube User has asked me to Replace my LED Load with a normal Resistive Incandescent Light Bulb. So this is what I have done.

Here is my Video About this Subject:
Negative Lenz / Delayed Lenz Effect with an Incandescent Light Bulb as a Load - YouTube

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide