Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[Guest]

overunityguide,

When you have the hi-impedance coil from your video off, what
amount of voltage can be collected from it into a storage
capacitor?

Without loading your system in this way, will the regenerative
acceleration effect still take place?

If yes, ?
Accelerating the system ought to be another coil on the generator
wheel that could be used with the energy from the passive load.

[qvision]

@ Allen,

Did twinbeard ever attach a load or just measure the output power with a resistor ?

Also, with your device, what happens when you attach a load and what is the efficiency, watts in vs watts out ?

[Allen Burgess]

Below is a video link to a tiny magnet cylinder spinning at 300000 RPM. At :58 seconds into the video, the screen reads "Now Pencil Smoke". Alfacentauro1111 inserts a pencil into the coil core, and when he retracts it, it's frosted. The implications of this effect are quantum leap.

The work of Nicolay E. Zaev grows germaine. Click on the attachment from JLN below: You'll see a note in the center reading "OUTPUT powered only by the demagnetization energy".

Zaev discovered that high dielectric materials generate electricty when they demagnatize, and that the electric power comes from converting environmental temperature, which has the effect of cooling the material off.

"Lenz Delay Propulsion" must get it's power from somewhere! There must be a demagnetization occuring over the "Lenz Drag Threshold" to create the pencil frost, and this implies that the propulsion power may be generated from the "Quanta"; The atomic level, and molecular reordering that Nicolay E. Zaev discovered and JLN reproduced in his 2SGEN that is generated by the process of demagnetization. This newly generated "Cold Electricity" must transfrom into magnetic force to create the "Lenz Delay Propulsion".

alfacentauro1111's Channel - YouTube

@qvision,

I hope this helps explain why myself and Pirate Twinbeard both measured COP's>1.



Interesting documents to be read:

"Ferrites and Ferromagnetics Free Energy Generation" from Nikolay E Zaev published in New Energy Technologies Issue #5 Sept-Oct 2002.

"Inductive conversion of heat environmental energy to electrical energy" from Nikolay E. Zaev - New Energy Technologies Issue #1 (4) Jan-feb 2002

"Research on the Capacitance Converter of Environmental Heat to Electric Power" by Nikolay Zaev - New Energy Technologies Issue #2 Sep-Oct 2001

Link to follow: Experiment on Direct conversion of the environment temperature into electricity from Nikolay Zaev

[qvision]

AlfaCentauro isn't creating cold electricity, it's the fast airflow through the center of the coil former caused by the massive RPM of the magnet.

[Allen Burgess]

Air flow.

@qvision

That's Alfacentauro's explaination. That's the first thing that crossed my mind when that tiny thread spool coil cooled off at top end. I couldn't detect any warm air exiting the bottem of the coil core though. How can you be sure about that? There may be a combination of causes. How do you explain his output? Precise caliorimetric readings on Overunity Guides output coil should show a tiny drop in temperature if my theory's correct. Things are not always as they seem on the surface. Where's his output comming from? All he has is a power coil! Thane Heins may have taken temperature readings, maybe we can write and ask him for any results.

[qvision]

Ye i'd like to see Thane's core temperature logs. Alfacentauro's output is coming from a standard SSG circuit, if i remember correctly. I'll message him and ask, i'll message Thane today, too and see what he has to say.

[Allen Burgess]

Calorimetric readings.

@qvision,

Thank you for offering to co-operate. I believe 5000 hz exceeds the switching speed of Alfacentauro's transistor. I believe also, one would find it difficult to frost a pencil like Alfacentauro did just with a stream of compressed air with the same PSI as the core former produces. The other thing is, my thread spool coil is outside the coil former, and largely protected away from any air speed cooling effect. I have a pretty strong hunch I'm on the right track with my theory. We need solid scientific test verification. Thanks again for offering to help.

[qvision]

OK i've messaged them both.

After what you said i looked at the video again, i'm not even sure that it's frost because the small particles of it lying around outside the core aren't melting ?

It even looks a bit like the perspex waste i see after i've drilled some perspex !

[Allen Burgess]

2500 rpm per second.

@qvision,

Here's Alfacentauro again stabbing at a larger magnet with the same pencil in the video below. There's nothing funny sticking to it in this video. What's more important here is the sudden audible burst of speed, around 25 seconds into the video, and his assertion that the sphere begins accelerating at 2500 rpm per second with one watt of input! This is the "Past the Delay Threshold Effect" I've been trying to describe. I described my "Beyond Threshold" acceleration rate as 5000 rpm's every two or three seconds. He dosen't have a multi meter measuring constant input, but my test results show that input begins to decrease when the spin rate increases as sharply as we witness in his video. Where does the power come from to accelerate the magnet sphere at that fantastic rate of speed if it's not comming from the battery power source?


alfacentauro1111's Channel - YouTube

[qvision]

I've noticed on my little tube magnet setup that, at a certain point, although the magnet's spin is accelerating, the current input starts to drop.

I'm thinking that, although the frequency is increasing, and therefore there are more pulses being required from the PSU, the pulse-width is shorter because of the higher speed.

Intuitively i would have thought this would balance out but i haven't done the maths yet.

I made a quick clip :

Input current drops as frequency increases ... - YouTube

[Allen Burgess]

Inverse input.

@qvision,

Congratulations on another superb, straight foward video demonstration. I would guess the input draw reverses around 15k, as mine did; Around the same threshold speed Overunityguide gets his "Lenz Delay Effect" at, multiplied by his rotor magnets. I think your video is at least as convinceing a confirmation of "Lenz Delay" as Overunityguides. Can you tach it?

The shortened pulse width explanation is not new. The number of pulses increases as the pulse width narrows, so they tend to factor each other out as kind of a push. The F=MA equation counters the reasoning from a different angle. Force is increasing while input draw diminishes. The force to watts ratio continues to widen as speed increases, which implies that power's comming from somewhere other then the battery source. My theory is that demagnetization power begins to replace source input following "Lenz Delay Phase Shift" or; Another possible corollary is that the appearance of demagnetization power in the coil is causing the " Lenz Delay Phase Shift", while also powering the acceleration.

Air has a reluctance curve as well as iron, ferrites, metglass, steel etc. as a magnetic coil core material. Air alone as a core material magnetizes and demagnetizes at a rate comparable with all the other di-electrics, and can generate demagnatization power along with "Space Era Nanoperm".

Good job and keen observation! This is the kind of very benificial work we need to help advance our understanding of "Lenz Delay Propulsion".

[qvision]

Well, i've been told on another forum that this is standard motor theory and i looked it up and he's right :

"The answer is not frequency, or duty cycle, or inductive reactance, it's even more basic than that, it's the developed back EMF which is proportional to rotor velocity, so while the speed is below the steady state speed, the EMF is below the supply voltage and a difference of potential exists that drives current through the windings during the ON time of the pulses. This current is I = (V - EMF) / R, where R is the resistance of the coils. So if current flows, torque is created, and this torque accelerates the rotor and brings it up to a higher velocity which has a higher EMF, which in turn draws an even lower amount of current, and so on, exponentially approaching steady state, and minimum current draw, when the rotor is not under load. However, if you place it under mechanical loading, than the velocity will drop to a level that allows current to flow from the battery into the motor to produces a torque that balances the mechanical loading placed on it. This is basic motor theory, everyone should know it, especially on this forum!"

So i'm not excited about it, i will be excited when i get a gen coil to speed up the rotor

Also Thane replied :

"Dear Gary,

A video would be good - however a coil resistance of 19.2 ohms is NOT enough, overunityguide shows 385 ohms or so with an inductance of 2.18 Henries. A 3 k ohm coil is way TOO HIGH and will most likely consume any delayed current in the internal resistance of the coil...

My motor professor in college had a saying which said, "if first you don't succeed - go back and follow the instructions."

Why not make a 385 ohm coil with an inductance of 2 Henries and see what happens?

Cheers
Thane"

So now i have to wait until the right wire to achieve values close to those for L and R is in stock at my local place.

[Sydney]

External Inductor

Hello from Australia. My understanding of the delayed lenz effect is that the output current is out of phase with the the magnetic flux that created it therefore the lenz law flux can be timed to coincide with the departure of the magnate and 'push' it away, hence an rpm increase.

Surely the same effect can be obtained by inserting a suitable inductor in series with the load? The current through the inductor coil gets delayed by the inductance. Seeing as it is in series with the generator coil, the current drawn from the generator coil is also phase delayed behind the generating flux.

Which means you can tune most off-the-shelf generators with a suitable external inductor in series with each winding to get it to run in lenz-push mode.

[Shadesz]

Hello from Australia. My understanding of the delayed lenz effect is that the output current is out of phase with the the magnetic flux that created it therefore the lenz law flux can be timed to coincide with the departure of the magnate and 'push' it away, hence an rpm increase.

Surely the same effect can be obtained by inserting a suitable inductor in series with the load? The current through the inductor coil gets delayed by the inductance. Seeing as it is in series with the generator coil, the current drawn from the generator coil is also phase delayed behind the generating flux.

Which means you can tune most off-the-shelf generators with a suitable external inductor in series with each winding to get it to run in lenz-push mode.

Interesting. Have you achieved this using series inductors?

[Allen Burgess]

Bemf

@qvision,

"The answer is not frequency, or duty cycle, or inductive reactance, it's even more basic than that, it's the developed back EMF which is proportional to rotor velocity, so while the speed is below the steady state speed, the EMF is below the supply voltage and a difference of potential exists that drives current through the windings during the ON time of the pulses. This current is I = (V - EMF) / R, where R is the resistance of the coils. So if current flows, torque is created, and this torque accelerates the rotor and brings it up to a higher velocity which has a higher EMF, which in turn draws an even lower amount of current, and so on, exponentially approaching steady state, and minimum current draw, when the rotor is not under load. However, if you place it under mechanical loading, than the velocity will drop to a level that allows current to flow from the battery into the motor to produces a torque that balances the mechanical loading placed on it. This is basic motor theory, everyone should know it, especially on this forum!"

That helps clear alot up for me, thanks. Now on to the output coil!