Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[wojwrobel]

Are you saying this whole setup is using less power at 950 hz than at 200 Hz ?

Cheers

NO ! but the meter will not see (read) this power, unless you have reactive power meter , some factories pay extra for reactive power but they have special meters

power still flows, so if he can switch meter to show not watts but ampers it souldn't change with frequency or sould increase rather than drop!



anyway i have been testing new idea !

coil have capacitance right, so its stores energy even when not connected to load (but not in form of magnetic field because this requires current flow) but in bettween the wires i think or core

so what i do is im connecting load to coil just after magnet pass the coil !
and whats intresting there is power on meter !!

im not sure if the power is stored momenterli in coil or core has its own hystherisis delay???

give it a try its preety intresting

cheers from poland
wojsciech

[eternalightwithin]

The spinner apparently accelerates with the addition of load off an extra coil winding in FreeEnergy26's video. The output winding generates 200 volts, while the input drops to a .8 of a milliwatt.

What is the amperage of the output?

[Allen Burgess]

@eternalightwithin,

He says he charges capacitors in 6 seconds to 200 volts, so there has to be some amount of amperage. The voltage is just right to run backwards into a MOT secondary, then have the higher amperage reactive current to use from the thicker wire primary. He appears to be running merely 2 LEDS off the output, so it can't be too much, but it's all gravy because the input's zilch.

The important question is: Does FreeEnergy's 3rd Rodin output coil begin to power the spinner as a motor when placed under load? Also, the frequency can be controlled to match the 950 khz of the signal generator, the combintion of effects good chance for O.U.

[boguslaw]

Check if power is oscillating, damped wave. It's RLC circuit.

[Farmhand]

NO ! but the meter will not see (read) this power, unless you have reactive power meter , some factories pay extra for reactive power but they have special meters

power still flows, so if he can switch meter to show not watts but ampers it souldn't change with frequency or sould increase rather than drop!



anyway i have been testing new idea !

coil have capacitance right, so its stores energy even when not connected to load (but not in form of magnetic field because this requires current flow) but in bettween the wires i think or core

so what i do is im connecting load to coil just after magnet pass the coil !
and whats intresting there is power on meter !!

im not sure if the power is stored momenterli in coil or core has its own hystherisis delay???

give it a try its preety intresting

cheers from poland
wojsciech

Hi wojsciech, It seems people still don't get it. If it takes 17 watts to run idle
at 200 Hz and 17.5 watts loaded at 200 Hz. That's 17,5 watts power paid for,
the watt meter says so, this is real power.

Then if it takes 18.8 watts to run idle at 950 Hz and 18.5 watts loaded, so a
.3 watt drop. That's 18,5 watts power paid for, the watt meter says so,
that's real power.

So regardless of the drop when loaded more real power is used at 950 Hz to
power the load than at 200 Hz.

The extra idle power required to run at 950 Hz as compared to 200 Hz is
where the power comes from there is no free energy or unpaid for energy.

Only if the load power exceeds the total power paid for after the wall socket
can it even be called getting it for free.

And if they were to make their own AC power how could it possible help to
use more real power, only to regain a small portion of it.

To be a real efficiency improvement it needs to cause less power to be used
from the source, the real source of the AC power.

It's a trick and it means very little. I can do it too, it's no big deal. I can get
bigger reductions in input power, (which loads the source less), while using
more load power from a setup already running a load. I can do the same
effect with different loads. And I'm measuring current with a .1 ohm resister
so less effect is from the resister. Using a 10 Ohm resister further restricts
current, especially when you add 10 ohms to a primary coil.

It's like robbing Peter to pay Paul. No free energy at all. I can make my setup
work the other way too, use very little at idle then draw power when loaded.
Again no big deal.

See here.

Reduced input current under added load effects 33 - YouTube

and here.

Reduced input under load effects.wmv - YouTube

I didn't bother to setup a neat demonstration because it does not warrant it.
It's a trick.

Cheers

[Muon]

Then if it takes 18.8 watts to run idle at 950 Hz and 18.5 watts loaded, so a
.3 watt drop. That's 18,5 watts power paid for, the watt meter says so,
that's real power.

So regardless of the drop when loaded more real power is used at 950 Hz to
power the load than at 200 Hz.

The extra idle power required to run at 950 Hz as compared to 200 Hz is
where the power comes from there is no free energy or unpaid for energy.

Only if the load power exceeds the total power paid for after the wall socket
can it even be called getting it for free.

Makes sense... What I'd like to see is whether the watt-meter will work AFTER the frequency-increasing-device. That way, the power actually used in the transformer - with and without load - can be observed directly.

Is there another way to increase the frequency than using this fancy device? OR -- better -- is there a transformer that will show the delayed-Lenz effect at 50 Hz?

Nice work, BTW, overunityguide! I enjoyed the vid and appreciate your efforts.
Steve

[smoky]

Simple way to double frequency is to pass sine wave through a full wave bridge. 4 Diodes. It aint pretty but it is double!

[Farmhand]

Simple way to double frequency is to pass sine wave through a full wave bridge. 4 Diodes. It aint pretty but it is double!

I don't think it will work without using a sine wave. Not 100% certain of that though.

Which is another thing because OUG's Sine wave from the frequency drive
controller is a made up sine wave not really pure. And on top of that the
frequency drive controller increases voltage to the transformer at the higher
frequency, I think to try to overcome the impedance, Not sure i'm not familiar
with how they work or exactly what they do. Nifty bit of kit but I don't see many experimenters with one.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Oh yeah my transformers work at about 420-440 khz resonant so they produce
a sine wave, I would measure the real power used by the output transformer but
it is connected to the generator transformer by only one wire so I can't measure
input voltage. But I do know it can be adjusted to send most of the reactive
power back to the source, or build it up in the output transformer. When the
reactive power is built up in the output transformer the input is more at idle and
less when loaded.

When the reactive power is sent back it is less at idle and more when loaded.

That's how I explain it in simple terms. Maybe I'm a bit off but it makes sense to me.

Cheers

[smoky]

Hi Farmhand & Muon,
There is a couple of ways to do this without increasing frequency.
One is to bring the secondary into resonance. Trouble is when power is removed from the circuit it loads down the resonance effect, real power then starts to exceed reactive power. Also with parallel resonance output volts goes through the roof & arcs over inside transformer.

The second method is to delay the magnetic field created by the primary from getting to the secondary by one quarter of a cycle.
I am experimenting with this method.
At 50Hz... it's 5 millisecond delay required, cause one cycle at 50 Hz takes 20 milliseconds for full 360 degrees or one cycle to complete.

Tesla used the delay method in his US Patent 433702 (in year 1890, a nice easy read too).
He wound a thin shield of insulated steel wire between the transformers' primary and secondary windings, he left the ends unconnected. Only using magnetic properties of the steel. ie Shielding at first then when saturated field lines pass through same as in air.

I hope this helps...Gerry

[Farmhand]

Hi Farmhand & Muon,
There is a couple of ways to do this without increasing frequency.
One is to bring the secondary into resonance. Trouble is when power is removed from the circuit it loads down the resonance effect, real power then starts to exceed reactive power. Also with parallel resonance output volts goes through the roof & arcs over inside transformer.

The second method is to delay the magnetic field created by the primary from getting to the secondary by one quarter of a cycle.
I am experimenting with this method.
At 50Hz... it's 5 millisecond delay required, cause one cycle at 50 Hz takes 20 milliseconds for full 360 degrees or one cycle to complete.

Tesla used the delay method in his US Patent 433702 (in year 1890, a nice easy read too).
He wound a thin shield of insulated steel wire between the transformers' primary and secondary windings, he left the ends unconnected. Only using magnetic properties of the steel. ie Shielding at first then when saturated field lines pass through same as in air.

I hope this helps...Gerry

Yes that patent refers to what looks to be the method Tesla found to be best
for transformers because it DID NOT reduce the primary current and provided
a constant current for the load on the secondary.

[qvision]

Just a small update.

Yesterday i tested a bifilar-wound, serially connected coil, the same 0.25mm coil i previously had as straight-wound, the performance increases in terms of a rise in frequency and a drop in current draw are on the order of four times better than a straight-wound coil.

Here's a short clip of the new coil in action. I plan to get a cheap HD camera soon, apologies for fuzziness and mesy desk ;+}

The Heins Effect - Bifilar-wound, series-connected coil. - YouTube


Best to all,

DC.

[qvision]

My laminations arrived today.

The performance was not as good as my loose anchor bolts !

Results in spreadsheet here :

Core tests.xls

If you don't have excel installed then get the viewer here :

Download Details - Microsoft Download Center - Excel Viewer


Best to all,

DC.

[Allen Burgess]

Try placing a diametric magnet in the core of the bifilar output coil, and compare the results!

[qvision]

Test results, 500g of 0.25mm, bifilar-wound, series-connected, laminated-core coil.

This coil/core combination overspeeds the rotor when shorted.


Rotor with no coil/core present.

Hz : 450
mA : 443

Rotor with coil/core present, open-circuit.

Hz : 450
mA : 438

Rotor with coil/core persent, short-circuit.

Hz : 455
mA 433

Video here :

Exploring the Heins Effect, a coil/core combination that overspeeds the rotor. - YouTube


Thanks for reading,

QV.