Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[boguslaw]

Here is what I learned so far fighting with beer can.

There is a huge pain trying to find resonant frequency of can using computer sound card. You have to use laptop running on battery but unfortunately mine is broken. On stationary computer with ordinary sound card (cheap one) there is too much interference from 50Hz grid hum from transformer inside computer.

There is a problem to convince any craftsman to make cheaply a cap or two for this device with precision and from thin SS metal sheet. This is simply unprofitable for anyone. Fortunately I followed Slovenia advice and bought some cheap SS thermoses 0.75L and found that cover has almost the right diameter. The only thing left is to polish it down to 0.2 mm thickness. At least I would try, need to make some differences from original schematic though.

If you looked at video of singing bowl there is a magic moment there. Water and bowl is kept silent and everything looked as in first seconds of video but there is tremendous difference. Once he is starting to rub bowl again water is energized in matter of seconds ! Look at cavitation bubbles in center !

So here is a proof that it's acoustic device. Exactly the same could be done with beer can with incredible results, the only glitch is the water, because it's supposed to work under water completely which changes resonant frequency.There is however steam produced between beer can and cap which give me hope that it works acoustically anyway.

[boguslaw]

If I'm right we would end up with ultrasonic device consuming only a few watts exactly like in WITTS video. There would be no need for steam between electrodes because ultrasonic vibrations would propagate in water directly bouncing between walls of the best shpe which is ball.

That one later .....

[Slovenia]

Hole on bottom of sphere??

Yes, there is a hole in the bottom to release steam.

Is there a hole at the bottom or an artefact ?

[MonsieurM]

you should probably check out this thread...he seems to use the same principle

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ater-cell.html

[Slovenia]

Savic's Peter Davey Boiler

Branislav holding Savic's Peter Davey boiler. This device is currently in use at the home to boil water.

[Slovenia]

Updated Diagram (Savic Davey Boiler)

Updated Diagram (Savic Peter Davey Sonic Boiler)

[boguslaw]

Slovenia

Can Prof Savic post diameters of elements of original Peter Davey boiler as implemented by him ? That would be helpful to understand this device and all other sonic boilers.

[PhysicsProf]

There are large operating commerical "electrode boilers" that use similar principles, at very nearly 100% efficiency:

Electrode boilers utilize the conductive and resistive properties of water to carry electric current and generate steam. An a.c. current flows from an electrode of one phase, through neutral, to an electrode of another phase using water as the conductor. Since the water has electrical resistance, this current flow generates heat directly in the water itself. The more current (amps) that flows, the more steam produced. 100% of the electrical energy is converted into heat with no stack or heat transfer losses.

Low water protection is absolute since the absence of water prevents current from flowing and the electrode boiler from producing steam. Unlike conventional resistance type electric boilers or fossil fuel boilers, nothing in the electrode boiler is at a higher temperature than the water itself. If scaling should occur in the boiler, it will electrically insulate the electrodes, which reduces current flow and boiler output. There is no loss in conversion efficiency however, and , simply cleaning the electrodes will restore full boiler capacity. There can be no heat buildup in the electrodes, therefore, no electrode burnout, and no danger to the boiler itself.

C-B Package Boiler

And there are others -- google "electrode boilers."

Such a company might be interested in "super-efficient" mods to their product... hint to DaemonBart and Prof. Savic and others. And note that the engineering is already in place for these "electrode boilers".
(There is also a wikipedia entry: Electrode boiler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

At the same time, my main approach here is to make the new technology available to all mankind freely; I like open source. And I emphasize the needs of families in developing countries. I have sent emails to two humanitarian groups hoping that they will collaborate and help in all this... no word back yet, except from one that said they are considering it. (But it is the holidays.)

[RAMSET]

Physics Professor

Thank you for the clarification !

Chet

[PhysicsProf]

I see what you're saying, Chet. Mainly I was thinking out loud as I learned of the commercial "electrode boilers" out there already.
And I modified my post before I saw yours, with the following addition:

At the same time, my main approach here is to make the new technology available to all mankind freely; I like open source. And I emphasize the needs of families in developing countries. I have sent emails to two humanitarian groups hoping that they will collaborate and help in all this... no word back yet, except from one that said they are considering it. (But it is the holidays.)

[RAMSET]

I feel you're intent?

Steve
But This is exactly how the trap is set...........

A possibility?? this might be different ??
We could just say its a slight improvement ?? more efficient than 100 %?

I could just go for a patent and then these guys will /might buy it!! ??

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Giving it away open source will achieve you're ultimate goal ! selling it to a big company? you will never clean one glass of drinking water in Haiti
Or any where else in the world!

Temptation ....It will always be there..

Chet

[Cherryman]

Electric Shower

I'm just curious, does someone have any experience with electric showers?

Isn't this along the same principle?

Water heating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


As for the questions about my setup.

I use different setups, basically the same:

A SS beker or cup, with inside a smaller SS beker or cup, from thin SS steel.
It was the most practical thing at hand, and I took the electromagnet design of Edward Leedskalin as a basis.

Not tuned, just tested it directly on the mains 220V.

I tested different spacing, thickness.

I also tried to see if there was any difference between a "loose" setup (parts free to resonate, and a fixed setup, parts, solidly connected. So far no difference. But i have not come to the tuning part.

A third one consisted of adding a small SSdisc but tests did not show it very efficient.

First step now is to make a good test setup base, to do some good comparisment.

[daemonbart]

Electrode boilers!

I have worked with electrode boilers in the past ( school, and hospitals etc). The boilers was for cooking food, nowdays they are heated with resistanse heating elements, less maintenance.

Electrode heaters are pure induction, no resonance, here we most of all wants to avoid induction.

Br D

There are large operating commerical "electrode boilers" that use similar principles, at very nearly 100% efficiency:



C-B Package Boiler

And there are others -- google "electrode boilers."

Such a company might be interested in "super-efficient" mods to their product... hint to DaemonBart and Prof. Savic and others. And note that the engineering is already in place for these "electrode boilers".
(There is also a wikipedia entry: Electrode boiler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

At the same time, my main approach here is to make the new technology available to all mankind freely; I like open source. And I emphasize the needs of families in developing countries. I have sent emails to two humanitarian groups hoping that they will collaborate and help in all this... no word back yet, except from one that said they are considering it. (But it is the holidays.)

[Slovenia]

Hadn't Seen It

Hi Chet,

I hadn't seen that, but five of my contacts told me to check it out. It looks like the Don Smith device is finally a GO for everyone who understands electrical safety. This is a very dangerous device indeed and not to be fooled with by those who have no understanding of electricity!! Thanks for sharing!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Thank you Slovenia!!

Have you seen this??

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post173854

A must see!!

Chet

[RAMSET]

I love shrimp

The Bubba Chet Shrimp boat Company!!

We have something going on with this device....
Of that there is no Doubt!!
I liken it to a well documented anomoly That I have loved ever since the first time St Buzz Shared it with me!

Pistol Shrimp sonic weapon - Weird Nature - BBC wildlife - YouTube

The pistol shrimp causing a sonoluminescent event, generating 9900C
With nothing more than the ingredients we have here
A well tuned Claw [Can] a small drive ring [his thumb ] and his tiny Muscle [the Big Mains]

The Can, The Drive ring and the mains .......instead of one SNAP
We are running a well tuned resonant Snap with no end ......
No end in production and no end in potential....

This is the real Deal fellahs [and Mrs. DB].

@S
Yes Sir we are surely getting the Floodgates to open here!!
Thanks
Chet