Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[wrtner]

Just a reminder to everyone. Lets not forget that this is not a free energy device. This device does draw amps. From the pictures I have seen they are somewhere between 2 and 7 amps.

Davey also hand sanded his bowls until they resonated at 50Hz.

-Core

Two points:
1. It is believed that this is an OU device. It draws amps but the
resulting heat in the water is many times more than we would get
from standard heating methods.

2. Davey sanded his bowls to an octave of 50Hz, probably three
octaves on, 400Hz. (I am collecting woks. This is what is needed
to tune to the 50Hz fundamental frequency).

Paul-R

[WeThePeople_USA]

I wish to bring this to a next level if I may please.

The whole 50/60 hertz frequency thing is forced upon us my the mains supplier,
but water doesn't care what Con-Ed wants to serve us,
in fact the current music scale as we know it is a bittch-slap to music anyway.

A-432 tuning is nature, not the Nazi-mandated A-440 we got stuck with.

Ask any real musician or Google it for gosh sakes...

Reference:
"A 432" "A 440" - Google Search

I've contributed many pictures and references in previous posts from my last nick
before being banned by water-boy for contesting that whole overpriced thing,
and those than ran with all of that previous info I posted, good for you.

But for those more advanced than bicycle bells and line main freq's,
consider that the way may be a paired bell shape at a frequency,
but not the electric provider's version of what that may be.

Any inverter can be set modified to generate a fair spread of frequency,
heck, even a signal generator and good audio power amp can be used to research this.

get two bells that nestle properly,
shave the larger to ring UNDER WATER at the same frequency as the smaller one rings under water too,
then use you favorite local band's ubber-bass amp you borrowed to feed it in a test chamber
with your signal generator at that frequency, and multiples thereof, looking for results.

I like the "Wok" idea of fundamentals above, heheh, nice.

But really, water doesn't adhere to 50 or 60 hertz,
his discovery of a simple way to do this does help.

Efficiency should clearly improve if a friendly resonant frequency,
and It's harmonic relatives were used instead of a 50/60 mains freq.

Find waters 48/49 Khz mark and then divide down to a practical inverter-mod freq...

if bells that size are at least ten octaves away from the mains frequency,
and they can do what we see in the vids I posted (and elsewhere),
then imagine what the proper frequency at a closer octave could yield ?

I still like the "Two pins in the ends of a hotdog heater" simplicity of his discovery without a doubt,
but those here that still aren't yet as ancient as me and have nice test equipment could be working on a better arrangement is all I'm saying.

Have any of you used a frequency counter or triggered scope on his vids to get the harmonic that those bells of his are ringing at as example ?

NOTE:
I remember a vid where he strikes on of those bells out of water,
but there was no indication if that was a "Tuned" one though...

He also intimates from a piano where the two surrounding notes on it are
and that his note it is between (Again A-440 blows chunks...).

[MonsieurM]

WeThePeople_USA , i like your approach and it is the way to go...musically talking...

[RAMSET]

WE the People

I like your handle Bud!
And you sound as if you have the skills to "Get it Done"?[an asset to us as we "Tune"]
Plus you seem to be a Fellow NYer?

You allude to another persona ,Vids ,Posts?

Can you elaborate with links to any pertinent info?

Thank you
Chet

[WeThePeople_USA]

TY Monsieur.

I only have a few O-Scope's left
and other pieces of test gear now,
to old to do this proper anymore.

The page you referred all us to on totalizm.org
had most of the information publically available.



No Chet,
ZIP-12345 is just Schenectady NY is all, heheh.
I'm a Ma$$hole (MA) by birth, so not far off really.

I was just referring to several threads I posted in
just like this one under my real nick before Aaron
banned me for my opinions on overpriced water:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post125518

Most of those pics are already well known,
and I'm not sure if that is the one I put vids in.

But they are around.

I'll upload an archive of videos if people ask for it here.

Here is the NZ patent everyone wants to find a copy of.

[MonsieurM]

I wish to bring this to a next level if I may please.

The whole 50/60 hertz frequency thing is forced upon us my the mains supplier,
but water doesn't care what Con-Ed wants to serve us,
in fact the current music scale as we know it is a bittch-slap to music anyway.

A-432 tuning is nature, not the Nazi-mandated A-440 we got stuck with.

.

link for more info:

The Importance of 432Hz Music

The Schiller Institute campaign for a change in concert pitch from A=440hz back to A=432hz is based that 432hz is deeply connected with nature and the vocal chords of singers will not be damaged by higher ranges when centered at concert pitch A=432hz.

The recent rediscoveries of the vibratory/oscillatory nature of the universe indicates that current contemporary A=440hz international concert pitch standard may possibly generate an unhealthy effect or anti-social behavior in the consciousness of human beings.
A=440hz as a standard for concert pitch possibly may bring an unnatural 8 Hz dissonant change in how we think. DNA oscillates to protect itself from the environment and stress from dissonant interferance patterns of mechanical and electromagnetic waves may possibly effect the abilities of DNA to regulate our genetic makeup properly. Our inner ear for example works on the basis of Phi dampening. The waters of our inner ears rely on Fibonacci spiral dampening through the seashell like structure of the cochlea to keep us feeling centered or grounded. This Fibonacci spiral shape helps cancel out certain standing wave interference patterns, like a Helmholtz resonator, in order to keep us properly balanced with the natural environment around us. When the inner ear is in stress by artificial means, we can experience a type of "fog like" condition or feel "spaced out". The natural Phi shape of the cochlea can be found planet wide in a majority natural organic based life.

a little side note: using rodin math (which confirms the 432hz, natural choice )

432hz = 4 + 2 + 3 = 9
440hz = 4 + 4 + 0 = 8

“If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.” -Tesla .

[WeThePeople_USA]

Thank you Monsieur, there is a lot to the 432hz thing.

Perhaps some bell tuning software would help ?

Core, I noticed those shrimp-dip cups have a rolled edge,
they may work if the effect is electrical predominantly,
but not if the effect is purely sonic doe to the lip.

semi-spherical (half-globe) solid bells appear appropriate for Davey's work.

There are many people into just bells to ask:
Index - Bellfoundries
TheBellPeople.com - Buy Decorative Bells, Christmas Bells, Cow Bells & Bell Products Online
Brass Bell | Engraved | Ship | Hand | Railroad
Bells, Bellydance, Apparel Jewelry, Home Decor and more
Classic Bells: Selling and Restoring Antique Horse & Sleigh Bells

Of course, brass/bronze would not yield safe water, remember that.

(This forum doesn't allow .RAR or .ZIP attachments,
rename the attachment from .ZIP.PDF to .ZIP please)

[MonsieurM]

search titanium bells...



However, i would recommend going with copper..as it was already used in plumbing and for a water container for thousands of years

[Slovenia]

Tuning Software

Thanks Core!!

Also tuning is very important and will most likely be the most time consuming part of the project. I also found some free software that may help with this. I have yet to play with it but it does have a signal generator that will come in handy.

Software can be found here:
Soundcard Scope

Here is a screen shot of the software.

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Personally I an thinking of starting off with a lower voltage around 24 volts 60Hz A/C off a transformer. We really do need to figure out the relationship of the second frequency (400hz for 110volt/60Hz).

Anyway will try to get this started sometime this week.


-Core

[RAMSET]

What an arsenal of tools!!

I would have to say with the tools we have today [as presented by members here].

We will most definately Vet this device!

Chet

[MonsieurM]

A vid of great interest, must watch:

water at 100hz - YouTube

[wrtner]

search titanium bells...



However, i would recommend going with copper..as it was already used in plumbing and for a water container for thousands of years

This bell looks oval in shape. I cannot see it ringing at any one frequency.
If someone has a spectral analyser, it would be very instructive
to see its spectral response.

[MonsieurM]

This bell looks oval in shape. I cannot see it ringing at any one frequency.
If someone has a spectral analyser, it would be very instructive
to see its spectral response.

reverse the following image and you have your bell




from: Singing bowl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singing bowls (also known as Tibetan Singing Bowls, rin gongs, medicine bowls, Tibetan bowls or suzu gongs in Japan) are a type of bell, specifically classified as a standing bell. Rather than hanging inverted or attached to a handle, standing bells sit with the bottom surface resting.

i would highly recommend you read this thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ng-bowl-2.html -------learn about the tools you'll be using

-------

Tibetan Singing Bowls Make Water Levitate (Video)

Before It's News

Watching Tibetan bowls sing - YouTube

An experimental investigation of the fluid dynamics of Tibetan singing bowls has showed their acoustic behavior is similar to wine glasses, and can even cause water droplets to levitate.

The bowls originate from fifth century rituals in the Tibetan Himalayas, and are typically made from a bronze alloy. They produce a rich sound or song when the sides and rim are struck or rubbed with a mallet.

Two scientists filled the bowls with water and filmed the vibrational patterns that arise. The high-speed camera showed how surface waves formed, creating water droplets that break away from, and bounce on the fluid surface.

hint: It is also called a polyphonic instrument

[MonsieurM]

info on some candidate Metals (mixed or not )

Copper-silver ionization as a disinfectant

When was the disinfection mechanism of copper and silver discovered?

Archeological excavations show, that people have been using copper for more than 11.000 years and have been using silver for more than 5000 years. Copper can be easily extracted and processed. More dan 7000 years ago people developed a copper extraction mechanism for copper ores. The Roman empire gained most of its copper from Cyprus, the isle that gave copper its name.
Nowadays copper is mainly extracted form ores, such as cuprite (CuO2), tenorite (CuO), malachite (CuO3·Cu(OH)2), chalcocite (Cu2S), covelite (CuS) and bornite (Cu6FeS4). Large deposits of copper ores have been found throughout the US, Chili, Zambia, Zaοre, peru and Canada.
Silver can be obtained from pure deposits, from silver ores such as argenite (Ag2S) and horn silver (AgCl) and combined with ore deposites that contain lead, gold or copper.
Both copper and silver have been applied for centuries because of their biocidal mechanism. The Vickings used copper strings on their ships to prevent the growth of algae and shells. Modern ships still use the same technology.
Most anti-fouling paints contain copper, reducing the number of marine species growing on the walls of ships. Because of this measure, ships can reach their destination faster.
Nomads used silver coins to improve drinking water quality. Well water containing copper and silver coins is very bright, due to the biocidal affect of these metals.
Since 1869 various publications have appeared on disinfection properties of silver. Some European and Russian villages have been using silver for drinking water treatment for many years.
Copper-silver ionization was developed in both Europe and the United States in the 1950’s.

What are the applications of copper-silver ionization?

Copper-silver ionization is suitable for a large number of applications. It became of interest when NASA used copper-silver ionization for drinking water prodcution aboard Apollo space ships in 1960. The ion generator that was used, was the size of a matchbox.
Because of copper-silver ionization, drinking water could be produced safely in space without the use of chlorine.

[MonsieurM]

Not to derail you on Slovenia's Design, but you can replace the can with a singing bowl/bell...

hint: find the stick , Davey's set up is also a "standing bells sitting with the bottom surface resting."

visualization of Ac Current vs Dc Current:

Direct Current versus Alternating Current - YouTube

My recommendation is using ac with pulsed DC....see post: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...netism-18.html