Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Tuning Beer Can

This tuning the beer can could be a real pain in the neck. My contact said to sand the can but never elaborated where as I recall. That thin aluminum is hard to sand on whether your sanding on the end or the sides.

[bhaas]

How do you plan on getting it to resonate once you dunk it into the water? Or is it a sealed resonant chamber that you put into the water???

[Core]

How do you plan on getting it to resonate once you dunk it into the water? Or is it a sealed resonant chamber that you put into the water???

The concept is that when an alternating signal is passed into the can, or any piece of metal, the can will vibrate at that frequency. What is important is that the can be tuned to the frequency of the line frequency used.

Think of it as two tuning forks tuned to middle C. If you strike one tuning fork and hold it a few inches away from the other fork it will cause it to vibrate.
Also if an alternating electrical signal of 278.4 Hz is passed to a middle C tuning fork the fork will vibrate and a sound will be heard. 278.4Hz is the frequency of middle C.

-Core

[bhaas]

But as soon as that tuning fork touches the water it stops vibrating the instant it hits the water.

I understand the concept, but I just don't see it working once in the water.

In one of the diagrams it shows a pos and neg. Well AC isn't DC. That pic implies a pulsed DC current from what I can tell.

Why not just find out whatever you put together resonates at, once you get resonance of your can setup then put it in the water and see what happens. Will it stop resonating? Will it heat the water at least a little bit? If so then I guess your on the right track. I just don't see it working once it's in the water.

[Core]

The contact appears to warn us from simple plugging the unit into the wall outlet. I think anyone can see that if conditions are not perfect or if your water is very conductive we are creating a bad short. Distilled water would be good for experimenting.

For starters I recommend we use a 12volt to 110volt converter of say 150 watts. These inverters have overload protection.

-Core

[Slovenia]

Nice!!

Core,

Very good recommendations and very sharp. Thanks!!

Regards,
Slovenia

I have never seen that beer can.

Sanding a can is straight forward.

1. Cut can open and add painters tape to sharp edge to prevent yourself from getting cut.

2. Install a rod and nuts on other end. Maybe a #8 threaded rod will do.

3. Get a large rag/towel that when rolled up will fit inside the can.

4. Wet the rag real good this will remove more air from the can and strength.

5. Cut a piece of strong cardboard to match the opening of the can. Make it 1/16" smaller so it fits inside.

6. Tape cardboard to inside of can, this prevents rag from falling out.

7. Mount can on drill press, on low speed, and use plumbers sand cloth to thin metal. OR staple some sand cloth to some wood (2x4) and mount this in a vise. Mount the can on a cordless drill. Run the drill and slowly move it across the sand cloth in the vise.

Yes getting the can tuned will be a pain but important.

-Core

BTW - We can also build the European version. Simply get a 120v/220v step-up transformer.

[Core]

But as soon as that tuning fork touches the water it stops vibrating the instant it hits the water.

Air is a fluid like water, and oil. Resistance of the air over the tuning fork will eventually cause the vibrations to stop assuming no additional power is added other then the initial hit.

In water, these vibrations will be dampened faster. However it will still vibrate underwater just not as long as air. Sound travels via longitudinal waves. A tuning fork creates longitudinal waves. To say that a tuning fork will not vibrate in water is to say that sound does not travel in water. If that's the case how does sonar work?

-Core

[Slovenia]

Reducing 110 Volt Mains Amperes to 15 Amperes?

Contact's Latest Message:

Sept. 11, 2011
What you supply area of the apartment, you calculate the width and thickness of the electrode, zero reba to resonate at 300 Hz. Fuse will die if you are using electricity for over 15 Amperes.


How do we control our amperes from our mains down to 15 amperes so we don't have problems?

[bhaas]

Put a tuning fork in water then hit it. It won't vibrate. Not to be confused with sonar. The element creating sonar isn't exposed to water. It's sealed and vibrating/emitting waves that travel through the water.

The way it's pictured in the diagram will never work IMO. All you'd be doing is using the current from the AC to heat the water. In distilled water it might take a really long time to heat using the current due to low resistance.

The trick is to resonate the water molecules causing them to heat up by friction. That's why, IMO the resonating chamber would need to be sealed.

Microwaves resonate the water till it boils and you don't dunk the magnetron into the water. Correct???

[bhaas]

Wouldn't it just be easier to take the aluminum can and put a piezo electrical transducer/vibrator in the can itself, seal it up, put it in a bowl of water and resonate away till you find the sweet spot???

A 555 timer circuit would work great for this.

[MonsieurM]

Wouldn't it just be easier to take the aluminum can and put a piezo electrical transducer/vibrator in the can itself, seal it up, put it in a bowl of water and resonate away till you find the sweet spot???

A 555 timer circuit would work great for this.

with you on that, it is a possibility , it is the same principle used to break water into HHO

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Zn Oxide photoelectrolysis

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"This study provides a simple and cost-effective technology for direct water splitting that may generate hydrogen fuels by scavenging energy wastes such as noise or stray vibrations from the environment," the authors write in a new paper, published March 2 in the Journal of Physical Chemistry Letters. "This new discovery may have potential implications in solving the challenging energy and environmental issues that we are facing today and in the future."

if you can break it apart, you can heat it

[Core]

Put a tuning fork in water then hit it. It won't vibrate. Not to be confused with sonar. The element creating sonar isn't exposed to water. It's sealed and vibrating/emitting waves that travel through the water.

The way it's pictured in the diagram will never work IMO. All you'd be doing is using the current from the AC to heat the water. In distilled water it might take a really long time to heat using the current due to low resistance.

The trick is to resonate the water molecules causing them to heat up by friction. That's why, IMO the resonating chamber would need to be sealed.

Microwaves resonate the water till it boils and you don't dunk the magnetron into the water. Correct???

So you are saying that if you are under water with a steel tank that this tank will not make a sound if you hit it with a hammer?

-Core

[eternalightwithin]

I don't believe it will resonate at the same frequency in water as in air

How do you plan on getting it to resonate once you dunk it into the water? Or is it a sealed resonant chamber that you put into the water???

[bhaas]

So you are saying that if you are under water with a steel tank that this tank will not make a sound if you hit it with a hammer?

-Core

No I'm not. I'm saying that this experiment in its current configuration will never work. If you could make a mechanical vibrator that bangs at 60 Hz you'd have a chance. But the frequency to boil water (According to Joseph Cater in his book "The Ultimate reality" <--- You should download it) is 600Khz not 50 or 60 Hz. If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it.

But putting a ring around a can then putting it into water is nonsense to me. I could be wrong though.

[bhaas]

I don't believe it will resonate at the same frequency in water as in air

Thank you. I think there might be some misdirection regarding this. Common sense tells me that if you put 2 exposed electrodes into water, it'll be the current that creates the heat. Not resonance.