Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

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Resonance of Stacked American Cans

Surprisingly, these stacked American cans might just work. They ring really nice once put together perfectly parallel with each other.

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Update on Negative Electrode Ring

I've been working on the negative electrode ring today and that's pretty fun. The metal to the specifications shared with us is very flimsy and hard to work with. The thickness is supposed to be .2mm and the width is supposed to be 5mm, and the ring is right at 8.5" long. So, when you make a ring of this material you're going to need to support it from more than one side. This may have to be supported from at least three sides equidistant spaced. I finally did make it out of tinned steel from a steel can. I found a big can; cut out a wide piece; folded it over with the aid of a vice; cut myself out a length of 5mm X 9" of .2mm sheet; and started trying to fashion a ring out of it.

This is going to take some thought to do this right so the prototype will work first time. I'd like to put this baby together this week so I can show my guy some good faith. I'll attach a picture of my ring later this evening.

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Simplicity

Simplicity is what is troubling everyone about this project. It just seems to simple to work, and everyone wants to know how the inventor came up with this design and the physics to support the device. I will say this. The inventor is a very well educated smart person and has a more complicated similar device just about ready for patent, so much information about the physics of our present device will not be shared to protect his other work.

Anyway, even though this device is simple it needs to be tuned perfectly to work properly as described. The tuning is done by sanding the top of the can and testing it with the nail as described earlier in the pdf and thread. The gap is of great importance too. It needs to be just so all the way around the can.

So there you have it in a nutshell.

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Thanks!!

Chet,

Thanks!! I just saw this post for the first time two minutes ago at 6:52 p.m.. The ring is a bit of a pain but it's fun working on this. Mr. "C" is still sharing and he gets back to me quickly when I ask him something. I try not to bother him to often since I should have had this prototype made a long time ago and didn't get it done because of other stuff going on at the ranch. Thanks for all your support!! It has made a difference. I was about ready to leave here with my ball and play somewhere else but you made the difference and I stayed. We must be getting to close to something very good because I've never been attacked on any other project as bad as I have been on this one.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

I might add I'm jealous that your getting to play with this and anxious to get caught up and "do the Tune".

My gut tells me this will make HHO also with some mods.
and it just so happens that Gordon posted a very good example of this earlier!
{WaterEnergy1 vid]

This device [Mr.C's]touches so many previous claims on stupendous heat and HH0 production using "mains" and mysterious frequency.I also like the input exnihiloest gave at OUR that it would take "pressure everywhere" to do this.

Seeing what the pistol shrimp can do to the water molecules with "pressure"
I agree!!!!! Pressure !!
The bug [pistol shrimp] gets the water up to 9000 degrees with his pressure event in a "Flash" [sonoluminescence].

That would be nice.........
I believe we will be learning some new things here!

I am excited to play with this and so happy you have Mr.C to assist![that part is Priceless]


Chet

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Gordon

Gordon, your support helped too. Thanks!!

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Gap

The gap is tricky since there is hardly any space at all between the ring and the can. Everything has to be just perfect and it's not a perfect world.

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Ring Pics

As promised, here are my ring pics. These are pics of the negative electrode ring that goes around the end of the open side of the pop can electrode.

This was an interesting exercise fabricating this piece. It looks easy but Murphy's law does apply. There are many things that can go wrong if you don't pay attention. Anyway, I had a 10" length of the 5mm wide material. As I said earlier, this piece was made from a large tinned steel can. I cut it the long way which was 10" in my case and then cut it wide enough that I could bend and overlap it lengthwise for strength. It needs all the help it can get rigid-wise because it is a flimsy piece of material to say the least. The circumference of the ring is 8.5", so I had enough material to allow for .75" excess material to be bent at a 90 degree angle on both ends of the stock to be used later for connecting the two ends together for strength. It worked out very well. I formed the radius on my stock with the help of one of my metal fence posts. It was 2.5" diameter fence post. Then I put my end tabs in the vice and soldered both ends together.

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Correction!!

I heard back from my "C" today and he said my device wouldn't work because my can was to short. He said it needed to be 200 mm in length and tuned to 60 hz. In previously, I was told 150 mm so go with the 200 mm figure and not the 150 mm. Now I have to remake my lower can.

I think the 150 mm length may be for the 50 hz European sonic boiler. The 150 mm measurement was the original measurement we were given, and at that time we were talking only about the European version. So, we need to make that change on our diagrams.

Here is a 200 mm can. If you're putting two pop cans together, you need to cut them as long as possible, because when you mate them together, you're just going to have 200 mm with nothing to spare. So, keep that in mind.

Oh, the cans fit together fairly tight but I added super glue to the seam on the outside of the can assembly to make sure everything held together right. I added it to the seam all the way around the seam.

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Good skills

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Nice sharp Bends ,good shape, You have fabrication skills! {don't forget about the brush plating offer }

boguslaw posted this comment at the Peter Davey thread,

Quote:

Here is my theory how it may work : electric current is kind of sound wave and can produce higher harmonic when using resonant circuit and standing wave. This device is doing that directly in water so instead of 50 or 60Hz AC current there is also a lot of higher harmonics (and seems third harmonic is the bigger if we trust Tesla - interestingly why ? ) - exactly like in plasma spark gap in air. Because power is related to frequency - time required to boil water is shortened a lot ! And that's all. No energy is magically created (except maybe from harmonics which are not completely understood) - just time to boil water is drastically small. if Don Smith formula is correct then in the best scenario it should take 64 less times to boil water using this device then using stricly 50Hz AC current (yet still current could be the same in both cases).
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I really like this comment,Frequency as we have seen in the Joule Thief threads can do interesting things!

I Really like this Comment!!

Chet

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This Tech

Hi Chet,

Mr "C" explained some things about this tech I didn't share here. He didn't explain how it works but he explained who discovered it and that was real interesting. I didn't want any more problems on this thread so I didn't mention it here. What he told me was pretty exciting though. Everything is contingent on getting the can tuned to 60 hz. If we can do that I know we'll see exciting things happen and more information will probably be shared with me then.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Slovenia
Nice sharp Bends ,good shape, You have fabrication skills! {don't forget about the brush plating offer }

boguslaw posted this comment at the Peter Davey thread,

Quote:

Here is my theory how it may work : electric current is kind of sound wave and can produce higher harmonic when using resonant circuit and standing wave. This device is doing that directly in water so instead of 50 or 60Hz AC current there is also a lot of higher harmonics (and seems third harmonic is the bigger if we trust Tesla - interestingly why ? ) - exactly like in plasma spark gap in air. Because power is related to frequency - time required to boil water is shortened a lot ! And that's all. No energy is magically created (except maybe from harmonics which are not completely understood) - just time to boil water is drastically small. if Don Smith formula is correct then in the best scenario it should take 64 less times to boil water using this device then using stricly 50Hz AC current (yet still current could be the same in both cases).
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I really like this comment,Frequency as we have seen in the Joule Thief threads can do interesting things!

I Really like this Comment!!

Chet

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Good Skills

Thanks Chet!!

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Nice sharp Bends ,good shape, You have fabrication skills! {don't forget about the brush plating offer }
Chet

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"L" Frame

We're going to need an "L" frame to hold the can upright and the ring where it should be around the can. Something that won't take up much space that is portable and can be dropped into another container for testing. The other container should be non conductive because I think we have a serious potential electrocution hazard here. So guys, be careful and pay attention to what you are doing when you plug this in. Don't leave it unattended yet.

Possible Stand Configuration:

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Inspiration

Inspiration
Peter Davey - Sonic Resonance Boiler - YouTube


Thats a triple EEK

Chet
Ps
Mr.S Thats a sweet Idea for a rig!

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Thank-you!!

Thank-You!!

Chet
Ps
Mr.S Thats a sweet Idea for a rig!

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Beer Can Boiler PDF File

Always refer back to post #198 because that is where I constantly update my pdf file for the Serbian sonic boiler.

I posted this for new persons who don't know this.