Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Super Glue

The super glue welds the joints together very well without dampening the material. It's like a permanent bond. This is what I used when I joined my two cans together to get a 200 mm cup. Once you put these things together, you don't want your cans coming apart during operation.

[Slovenia]

Pics of Setup

Here are some pics for you.

[Slovenia]

Corrections

Well, I have learned a few things since assembling this boiler assembly.

Ring Material & Design:
1.) The ring material and mounting material need to be of very rigid construction. The steel tin just doesn't make it at all. I was looking for a quick fix and it didn't make the grade even though it was very easy to work with. Support frames for the rings are going to either have to be welded; riveted; or bolted together. This puppy needs to be thin and strong.

Can Insulator Connector:
2.) There is a certain amount of wobble once the can is mounted because of the thin material on the base of the can and the domed base. You need a wider insulator than I initially figured on of say at least 1 inch in wide to help support the can. The insulators need to be cut perfectly flat and you will need a nice 1 - 1.5 inch washed on the inside of the can between the nut and the can to help support the can in as straight a manner as possible against the insulator. The can needs all the support it can get because it has a tendency to want to wobble off center in either one direction or another and the ring gap is so close you just can't have that.

[RAMSET]

Tedious

Slovenia
Yes ,I believe the "Patience of a saint" will be required to do this the way Mr. C has said!!
We both know its Doable But ??

The temptation to add "Tensioners" of some sort to the ring is hard to resist ?

Mr C could just be showing us "How Good He is" [Skills].

I plan to use A High density plastic for my frame, a product called Starboard
that my boat yard customer uses on Trailers [between the boat and the float on trailer]
The reason being once i get the Ring set properly [as close as possible]
I plan on lowering it into a pail ,plugging it in and taking measurements.

I feel the plastic will behave it self in the water [no warping, swelling ETC].
Worrying about the Manifold at this point IMO Is "Pointless"!

Buddy your Work is Priceless to me!! [and other replicators I'm sure]

Chet

PS
I remarked about the Manifold this device sits in .....
Is the manifold a design feature ??
is it required for this device to Operate properly??

Boy I hope not...........

[Slovenia]

"L" Frame Prototype

Hi Chet,
According to Mr. "C", the can and ring are attached within a boiler assembly like in his diagram. My "L" frame assembly is just for testing purposes only. I just needed something to attach everything to so I could put it into a 5 gal. pail of water and test it. For this to work properly, we are ultimately going to have to enclose it in a boiling tank of some kind like was done by Mr. "C".

Thanks for your support. I need it.

P.S.: When I have my prototype working maybe I can get some more info from the authority.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Slovenia

PS
I remarked about the Manifold this device sits in .....
Is the manifold a design feature ??
is it required for this device to Operate properly??

Boy I hope not...........

[Slovenia]

PVC Pipe

When I have my proof of concept working, I'm going to build my can and ring into a 4 or 5 inch pvc pipe. I'm more interested in the hydrogen than the heat at this point but we'll see. Steam has a lot of applications too.

[RAMSET]

You play A HUGE part!!

Slovenia,
Even though I believe at this Point we have Enough for a replication?

Keeping Mr.C happy [as you have been] is a big Job!! Its A royale pain in the Pants ,I know this!!
These Inventor Types can be So "strange" ,very hard to make happy !!
Fabulous men ,But hard to work with !!
I am Amazed that you have been able to do this !!

Truly........

Chet

[Slovenia]

Nice Chap

He's a very nice chap. He's the most up front contact I've ever had. Most of my previous contacts just strung me a long for several months with all kinds of incredible claims and then didn't give me enough information for a replication. This happened to me really bad on the D18/Oz Nitro Cell. We had at least 400 really ticked off replicators on that cell. Mr. "C" has been a stand-up guy and shared a lot more than the rest.

Slovenia,
Even though I believe at this Point we have Enough for a replication?

Keeping Mr.C happy [as you have been] is a big Job!! Its A royale pain in the Pants ,I know this!!
These Inventor Types can be So "strange" ,very hard to make happy !!
Fabulous men ,But hard to work with !!
I am Amazed that you have been able to do this !!

Truly........

Chet

[Slovenia]

Boiler

Mr. "C" said my boiler looked excellent.

I'm not happy with my ring though. I'm going to have to make another one before it goes into water. I'm studying my options and redesigning my ring. I'll probably use 304L stainless next trip with a complete redesign of bracket and ring.

[RAMSET]

Not sure about stainless!!

Perhaps someone with knowledge on Transmiters can comment?
I asked Ben 4Kvep to stop by but he was going on vacation till wednesday
[He's A long time radio operator].

??
Chet
PS
I really like the Part where you said Mr.C liked your work!!

[Slovenia]

Work

Hi Chet,

He reminded me that the can had to be tuned to 60 hz and that the gap was 1.725 mm for our application. He also mentioned that this width of ring should pull 5-7 amps and that the can would ring at 300 hz when operating.

I was hoping another suggestion might have been offered by Mr. "C" when he saw that I had made an attempt at building the device.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

PS
I really like the Part where you said Mr.C liked your work!!
Chet

[RAMSET]

Money shot......

He's waiting for the money shot ,The pic of the can running in the water!!
IMO he is going to have PLENTY to say!!

This is his Baby ,If we don't get it working He'll have a lot more to say!!

He will look like this --> <--

Chet

[Slovenia]

Yes

Yes, I believe you are right.

I need to show a shot in the water probably by about mid week. So, I need to try and make a good 304L ring tomorrow. My 304L steel is about twice as thick as I need it to be and my grinder doesn't do that good a job at reducing metal evenly. That's going to be a long slender piece of steel to work on. Making it's radius perfectly round will be fun too. 304L steel is pretty tough. Also I've heard that 304L is not that conductive. Any comments on that? I want something that will work well; won't rust; and will last for a long time. These rings are way to hard to make to have to replace them every week.

That 1.725 mm gap is a bugger too. That is just to close.

He's waiting for the money shot ,The pic of the can running in the water!!
IMO he is going to have PLENTY to say!!

This is his Baby ,If we don't get it working He'll have a lot more to say!!

He will look like this --> <--

Chet

[boguslaw]

Ring thickness should not be critical. The best imho would be brass ring or copper ring because of low resistance. The water inside gap will be the cause for 5-7 amps flowing.Personally , I believe ring thickness should be higher then 0.2mm which looks even to small for high current and can melt.

[RAMSET]

Brass or Copper sounds nice

boguslaw [still getting use to that]

I like it !!
This is the direction I felt would be Good in the beginning,only because its very easy to work.. as well as I can add dimension with the Plating machine very easily to absolute Perfection.. Machinist tolerances! So can anybody here ,as I said I will Teach you all you need to know to do this ,and supply you with the materials No charge. google brush plating you can do this with a piece of cotton a Graphite brush [armature brush]AAA bateries and the proper chemicals.

Well as I start My Build I suppose we will see this in action [adjusting the Tolerance]
I hope it can be done the way Slovenia is doing it [measuring and praying =.}
?

@Slovenia
Why did you use "Tin" or ferrous metal ?
Is this critical ?
Was the Ring material specifically mentioned By Mr.C??

I went to Ten places yesterday looking for the Can ,If this device works as advertised then I am quite sure The size doesn't matter and we will be able to calculate all manner of sizes for the "affect"!

But first The "Affect" has to be Manifested,and for this I feel sticking to Mr. C's Format as Perfectly as possible is an absolute necessity!
One thing I have learned form these forums... As much as you feel you might know a better way ...
Completely resist the urge to modify anything until you are satisfied you have seen the Affect!!

What ever he has going on with this device ,we need to see it ourselves and then Move on to .................??

Think about it....... If this works He has given us so much information
The can needs to be Super Thin ... The ring needs to be sized to allow for
power Draw [its a valve of sorts] if this works I am Quite sure all
will be linear to scale.
A given frequency will scale the whole shebang......

Sorry couldn't sleep

Chet