Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[daemonbart]

Calculating!

Im sure we talk about 80Wh, not Watt seconds in reference boiler, setup by Ramset!

But summary still not same , optimal for resistance heating is 1,16 Wh/deg celsius. I use only 1,16 when calculating cop, example: 1,16/0,28 = cop 4,14. This means OU device in this case only used 0,28Wh instead of 1,16Wh for heating one litre water one celsius degree

Also this does not include losses, maybe 10% lost to air and we have also heated walls of our container, if ceramic very heavy, if plastic not so much mass to heat.

Kind rgds D

Message from Mr. "C"

Mathematics and Physics to calculate COP of sonic boiler:

For L of water to raise to 13.5 degrees Celsius for 10 minutes should be = (5000ml x 13.5 x 4.19) / 600 = 471.375 Wat / sec power rather than 80 Wat / sec as calculated by some guy from the forum. To calculate the base of the cliff COP heaters require a balance with two decimal places to excrements vapor and heat thermometer and multimeter to measure voltage and amperage draw of heater input. This is how it works.

[RAMSET]

Priceless!!

Duncan
Your input on this thread [and others] ,inspires!!
I can not thank you enough , your openness to these Blasphemess thoughts [to science] ,makes you very special!

Well firstly I have many members of my Circle of family and friends that are at the very top of their fields from Electrical Engineers to Nuclear Physicists
I don't bring these types of things up at the dinner table !!

If this Does what its claimed to do that will change overnight!!
Wesley has the right attitude about the PTB .
If nothing changes, Nothing changes..............Speak with Boldness!!

Thanks
Chet

[Slovenia]

Thanks

Thanks for sharing here!!

Im sure we talk about 80Wh, not Watt seconds in reference boiler, setup by Ramset!

But summary still not same , optimal for resistance heating is 1,16 Wh/deg celsius. I use only 1,16 when calculating cop, example: 1,16/0,28 = cop 4,14. This means OU device in this case only used 0,28Wh instead of 1,16Wh for heating one litre water one celsius degree

Also this does not include losses, maybe 10% lost to air and we have also heated walls of our container, if ceramic very heavy, if plastic not so much mass to heat.

Kind rgds D

[Duncan]

for consideration

Ouch a little physics lets hope I don't cock this up and be forever dammed!
He he he... as you can see here Q = C x M x (T2 – T1) Specific Heat
we come to a bit of aggravation as there are different systems pints/ litres Btus and what not but how about we settle on the SI system its easier by a tad anyway..
Q is the heat that we have added to our amount of water by calculation


The specific heat of water is 4.186 joule/gram °C

weight and litres? Well here we start to split hairs .. From 1901 to 1964, the litre was defined as the volume of one kilogram of pure water at 4 °C and 760 millimetres of mercury pressure. During this time, a litre was about 1.000028 dm3. In 1964 this definition was abandoned in favour of the current one yap yap a gnats ball...
So for all intense and purposes as far as we are concerned

1 litre of water weighs 1kg and so...1/2liter or 500ml weighs 500g all metric you see (bless the French)
Here’s a handy prog that will work most of it out for you (just scroll down a little) each quantity requires one input and the program will automatically calculate the other units.. Specific Heat

the first is easy enough Mass = litres = the amount of water you are heating

The second is easy too specific heat for water is 4.186 joule/gram °C just stick it in

The third is no sweat either The initial temperature in deg C or F or what ever your measuring in just pick the relevant unit

and much the same goes for the final temperature just stick it in so here's a little test run just to get the hang … 5ltr of water from 16degC to 98degC
quantity of water = 5 litres which of course has a mass of 5Kg
specific heat of water = 4.186
Initial temperature is 16degC
final Temp is 98degC
The figure we actually want is Q and so click heat added above and It will appear as if by magic
because we are dealing with things electric Joules is our Interest 7185637.3 J is the answer the prog gives us. What use is this?
Well It so happens that a watt/second is a Joule which is getting very close to what the power company measures the stuff with Kw/Hrs and as luck would have it here's another program that will get from Joules to Kw/hrs
Convert joule to kwh - Conversion of Measurement Units put the Joules in and you will find how many Kw/Hrs you should require to raise your 5 litres of water through that temperature if you’ve actually done it with less Kw/h than this you’ve gone OU some one might take exception.....

how to get from Kw/h to volts and amps (ignoring reactance) 1Kw = 1000w and Its power!
Power = Volts x amps lets assume I'm on 120 volts and drawing 10 amps for 2 ½ hours I would have used 120volts x 10Amps = 1200W which is of course is 1.2Kw The thing is running for
2 ½ hours so 1.2Kw x 2.5 = 3 Kw /h of course our heating system doesn't use a constant current draw which makes things difficult … got to try and take an average
Bit long winded But I was looking for progs that would do different units.. hope it makes sense to all.

[Duncan]

They are here!

Duncan
Your input on this thread [and others] ,inspires!!
I can not thank you enough , your openness to these Blasphemess thoughts [to science] ,makes you very special!

Well firstly I have many members of my Circle of family and friends that are at the very top of their fields from Electrical Engineers to Nuclear Physicists
I don't bring these types of things up at the dinner table !!

If this Does what its claimed to do that will change overnight!!
Wesley has the right attitude about the PTB .
If nothing changes, Nothing changes..............Speak with Boldness!!

Thanks
Chet

Why Thanks chet – yeh those guys have actually achieved, advanced, and replicated the device there are pages of it on over unity .com They are as I write this, engaging with our best on this forum in order to push more replications out. And although its a bit techy there are certainly the people here to advance it even more... Its all change .. The Jigs up.. The games over

[MonsieurM]

this was posted by Farmhand on this thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ations-15.html , i think it is just as relevant here

Hi all, I was reading the Tesla Energy transmission Patents again and the
patents say nothing about the primary being a 1/4 wavelength of the secondary,
The Patents say the secondary (or the thin wire coils) needs to be approximately
1/4 of the wave length of the electrical disturbance in the circuit which has
nothing to do with the primary coil itself. However, the primary is used to
make the electrical disturbance so it must be made resonant at the desired
frequency to produce the oscillations to do that, I think. This can be done
with a different amount of primary turns and it's resonant frequency
determined by a capacitor.

From Magnifying Transmitter patent #1 119 732


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And also from the Magnifier patent.#1 119 732
The primary can be excited in any desirable manner, which can be a
condenser or an alternator.


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[MonsieurM]

here is a frequency length calculator:

Frequency Wavelength Calculator

Message from Mr. "C"

Oct. 30, 2011
I want to help you practically and theoretically to make a Sonic Boiler and give cheaper warming.

Energy is free and is everywhere around us, only to catch the resonances to 1/4 wavelength to Taslima said ..
Sonic catches boiler scalar wave as an antenna, resonances to 1/4 wavelength and you use 3/4 height of a standing wave.
Scalar wave of light is faster than 1.54 times said Tesla and academician Professor Konstan Mail from Germania ..

Diameter of cans is 1/4 wavelength waves that capture resonances.
What is the diameter of the smaller cans to catch the wave has a higher frequency and more power within himself.
Tin cans of beer must be thin and long that can easily dojete 60 Hr audio frequencies. Cans of beer you have slimmed down to 60 Hz frequency sound.

COHERENCE AT ANY LEVEL IS COHERENCE AT ALL LEVELS.
An orderly arrangement between wave lengths establishes a connection between frequencies and fields. But for this connection to last, it must resonate to all frequencies and fields. This can only be accomplished through the resonate structure of golden mean pathways. a harmonic cascade effect


all your numbers have to relate to 1/4 wave of the frequency be it 60 hz...50 hz....your are creating a fractal construct...this is if you want optimal results

[MonsieurM]

for instance 60 hz 1/4 wavelength is : 1250000 meters
3/4 wavelength is : 3750000 meters
so the ring gap (using harmonic math ) should be 1.25 cm or .49 inches
height should 37.5 cm (can't really use 3.75 cm ) or 14.76 inch

you can reverse it too: 3.75 cm gap for a 12.5 cm height

[TEKTRON]

Here is the best desktop converter. it does energy conversions too, though the pic on the web site is from an earlier version. Very handy. I heard they use it on the ISS too. I use it all the time and for baking as well

Convert for Windows - joshmadison.com

[Duncan]

super tektron .. sure any of us can change any thing to whatever now and get to the answer don't matter if'n its apples or pears

[RAMSET]

cutting question

Slovenia,
I can't see where to cut the thermos yet?
Once you get yours [hopefully tomorrow] perhaps you can make things clearer? [there is a seam 14mm up from the bottom??}


Thanks
Chet
PS
Duncan, My hope is that the heating will be so fast my granddaughter will be able to tell its OU!!
I will use it to warm her bottles,she is always in such a hurry ............[takes after Pop Pop!=}

[Slovenia]

Cutting Question

Hi Chet,

I'll let you know.

Cuban Hot Water Boiler:
I was talking to a chap from Cuba this afternoon, and guess what?? They've used a device made out of two cans one inside the other to heat water for years. It's called a poor man's water boiler. It's just used to heat water and not for heating. Anyway, the way the Cuban described it to me it resembles the thermos application very close except it's not stainless just tin cans. The Cubans put sticks between the two cans to keep them from touching and they were not tuned. He didn't remember which can was which from the polarity standpoint, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Slovenia,
I can't see where to cut the thermos yet?
Once you get yours [hopefully tomorrow] perhaps you can make things clearer? [there is a seam 14mm up from the bottom??}

Thanks
Chet

[Slovenia]

Diameter Query

Hi Gordon,

What's the diameter of your cylinder?

Best Regards,
Slovenia

for instance 60 hz 1/4 wavelength is : 1250000 meters
3/4 wavelength is : 3750000 meters
so the ring gap (using harmonic math ) should be 1.25 cm or .49 inches
height should 37.5 cm (can't really use 3.75 cm ) or 14.76 inch

you can reverse it too: 3.75 cm gap for a 12.5 cm height

[Slovenia]

IKEA Flask Boiler Experiment

IKEA Flask Boiler

You need to purchase a Watt/Hr Meter with two decimal points such as the one in the pic below:

[Slovenia]

IKEA Flask Boiler Experiment (Cutting Update)

IKEA Flask Boiler Experiment (Cutting Update)

Cutting Flask (Where to cut??)

Top of Flask:
Threaded end of flask, no cutting on top of flask!! You just need to fasten a bolt on the threaded part of the flask in a good way. Use your ingenuity. The bolt does not need to be welded to the flask. The thermos is suspended into the water by the bolt. That is the reason for the bolt. The flask is hung into the water from a horizontal support structure above the pail containing the water. Polycarbonate pieces can stand the water temperature really good, so you may use those in your construction process if you like.

Bottom of Flask:
All the round part of inner flask is cut off but no more!! The length of the inner and outer tube needs to be exactly the same!!