Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Big Gap (IKEA)

Hi Chet,

Yes, 5mm gap is very large and way to big for 110 volts in USA. I'd suggest 2.52mm gap for you since you are in USA. I'll figure this measurement out for you and post it here. I'll give you the length with extra tab and flap amount added too. You can cut the extra away if you have another way of mounting your ring.

Here is what I figured for my ring on the IKEA flask:

Formula:
Circumference = (PI) X (Diameter + Gaps on both sides)
Circumference = (3.14) X (87.4mm + 2.52mm + 2.52mm)
Circumference = (3.14) X (92.44mm) = 290.26mm
Circumference = 290.26mm = Ring Length

Ring Holder Tab = 13mm X 2 = 26mm
Tab Retainer Flap = 7mm

Circumference + 2(Tabs) + 1(Flap) = Total Length of Ring
290.26mm + 2(13mm) + (7mm) = 323.26mm

P.S.: This is for the exact diameter of the base of my IKEA boiler. Yours may be different!! If your ring is made to exact amount it will prove much more efficient!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Height (Width of Ring) = 5mm
Diagram for Chet's Ring Size:

5MM
Thats 10mm oversize??
BIG GAP!!

I also need the Length {not Diameter]
If I lay the ring flat on the table How Tall is it??
Thanks
Chet
PS
You'll see my ring technique soon [once you give me that number!]
PPS
Mr. ikea ........ I like it!!

[RAMSET]

garbage ring

S ,
I hope this gives you an idea of what I mean by Tall or height
This was just a play ring I finished cutting [I broke the ring during the "Tang Bend"]

You see the ring laying flat on the table ,then I have the ruler ...........
How tall/long should this ring be? [the pic is one I broke not the one I'm using]
I have one ready to cut off my Ring tube I need the length??
Do you have a spec for this??
It would be critical in my opinion {Contact surface area = current draw]

Thanks
Chet

[RAMSET]

telephones are much better

Thanks S
5MM height!!
will post a pic shortly

Chet

[Slovenia]

Thanks

Looks interesting.

S ,
I hope this gives you an idea of what I mean by Tall or height
This was just a play ring I finished cutting [I broke the ring during the "Tang Bend"]

You see the ring laying flat on the table ,then I have the ruler ...........
How tall/long should this ring be? [the pic is one I broke not the one I'm using]
I have one ready to cut off my Ring tube I need the length??
Do you have a spec for this??
It would be critical in my opinion {Contact surface area = current draw]

Thanks
Chet

[RAMSET]

needs lots of work still

Heres one of my 5 minute rings ,
its all one piece tang and all... cut from tube stock I also cut the Tang in the stock then the ring.
I will stretch and wet test in 1mm increments

with one ring I can test many gaps by stretching in between!

Have a good night

Chet
PS
Looks like crap I really rushed this one ,They have a lights out policy at the facility I'm Working at 10 pm EDT [no noise after 10pm]
this was a 3 minute ring

[Ares123]

Maybe just a thougt -You try to fix it at the top thread. It is a bit complicated then "18 8 stainless steel vacuum flask", Because Ikea flask has one thread inside and one outside unlike Chinamade both threads outside.
So try to use this outside thread. Best with some "casting or moulding" dont know proper word.
This way also You mr.S can cover the top when you already cut the bottom if you want one side closed.
Also usable for quick removal in and out of container.

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Nice Idea!! Yes, I understand all you have shared. Thanks!!

Maybe just a thougt -You try to fix it at the top thread. It is a bit complicated then "18 8 stainless steel vacuum flask", Because Ikea flask has one thread inside and one outside unlike Chinamade both threads outside.
So try to use this outside thread. Best with some "casting or moulding" dont know proper word.
This way also You mr.S can cover the top when you already cut the bottom if you want one side closed.
Also usable for quick removal in and out of container.

[Slovenia]

Cool Ring

Hi Chet,

Looks very cool. Can't wait for your results. My rings take a lot longer than 5 minutes. You may be the ring master.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Heres one of my 5 minute rings ,
its all one piece tang and all... cut from tube stock I also cut the Tang in the stock then the ring.
I will stretch and wet test in 1mm increments

with one ring I can test many gaps by stretching in between!

Have a good night

Chet
PS
Looks like crap I really rushed this one ,They have a lights out policy at the facility I'm Working at 10 pm EDT [no noise after 10pm]
this was a 3 minute ring

[MonsieurM]

A little musical break won't hurt; I know slovenia and Ramset , you'll appreciate...you feel the same

Solomon Burke - None Of Us Are Free (HD) - YouTube

[Slovenia]

Mr. "C" Update

He's been building a US boiler too. He said he had a few problems and had to make some changes with regard to the ring height on the US sonic boiler. He recommends a height of 10mm instead of 5mm. If your can is tuned to exactly 60 Hz and the thickness of your ring is .2mm then your boiler will play at 320 Hz in USA.

Chet,
You need to change the height of your ring to 10mm!!

European boiler ring is still height of 5mm!!

[RAMSET]

No problem

S

So at half the voltage the ring needs to be twice as long.....

The professor is Most kind to take the time to build and share with us!

Thanks
Chet
PS
Gordon
I just watched your movie.......
How True!!

Someday Brother, Someday.....................

[Slovenia]

10mm Wide Ring US

Hi Chet,

He didn't explain it that way. I think he was thinking of our mains at 220 volts here in US and not 110 volts. According to him, the 220 volts is optimum for the boiler in US. I plan on trying it with 110 volts though myself. I'm not ready to fool around with 220 volts yet myself.

He's using some sort of device called a hammer to test the ring frequency and I think he referred to it as a frequency meter. It's not the kind of hammer you use to hit a nail.

Yes, Mr. "C" is very kind to take the time to experiment and share with us. Someone of his stature in most parts of the world wouldn't share especially in US.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

S

So at half the voltage the ring needs to be twice as long.....

The professor is Most kind to take the time to build and share with us!

Thanks
Chet
PS
Gordon
I just watched your movie.......
How True!!

Someday Brother, Someday.....................

[RAMSET]

Professor Savics Device

S
Today I am starting the Savic build.

My technique for sanding ,leave the can full,,, buff with 180 emery ,build up a nice sweat ...Open can have a nice drink!!

Can dimensions
Diameter 72.8 MM

Usable length 180 MM

Slovenia the reason I switched to the Can ??

The professor is building too.........
So my ring height will be 10 MM? my gap 2.52??

I posted a pic of your pipe/ring spreader !![Heh Heh]

Mine is 3.5 hrs away at home !! [3 days out]

I guess I'll go make a 2.52 ring x 10 MM height

Chet

[RAMSET]

2011 11.11 am EDT

Nice

Chet

[daemonbart]

Looking good!

I wish you good luck!

Remember there is risk for eating aluminum from can, why.. dont really know yet?

I have experiensed that when not tuned to resonance I have little HHO, and nothing of hho in resonace mode!

Dont be afraid of swithing to stainless, works good and keep you warm while tuning Professors setup to perfection!

Best rgds D

S
Today I am starting the Savic build.

My technique for sanding ,leave the can full,,, buff with 180 emery ,build up a nice sweat ...Open can have a nice drink!!

Can dimensions
Diameter 72.8 MM

Usable length 180 MM

Slovenia the reason I switched to the Can ??

The professor is building too.........
So my ring height will be 10 MM? my gap 2.52??

I posted a pic of your pipe/ring spreader !![Heh Heh]

Mine is 3.5 hrs away at home !! [3 days out]

I guess I'll go make a 2.52 ring x 10 MM height

Chet