Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Ares123]

Hi.

Mr.C . Hvala na iscrpnom objasnjenju

Maybe I am wrong, also Ramset readings are on single digit so offset, but

COP

(18,972 l *1,163 * 27° )/600 =~ 0.99 for Ikea

(18,972 l *1,163 * 24° )/420 =~ 1,26 for resistive heater

Have I ovelooked something? (I must admit that I could made mistake with modifying Your formula)

On the other hand I can belive You that COP rises with tempeature also if boiler is design that way ring and can (not mechanical) frequency optimized for >100°C

[Slovenia]

My Ring & Ring Holder

My Ring & Ring Holder

Here's a better look at my ring & ring holder:

[RAMSET]

Movies.............

S
I just learned My buddy here can make movies on his phone !!

Very nice indeed!!

Cna you give me the calcs for you ring {ikea]
I want to run this tonight with the proper Gap !! [i sanded in and out today]

Thanks
Chet
PS
How do I post movies??
PPS
Your ring looks great !! Is that 4MM high?
I want to try the 5mm gap first

[Slovenia]

Ring Info for Chet's IKEA

Hi Chet,

Here's your ring information:

(For 5mm Gap)

My strip is 10mm in height but you can make your 5mm if you like.

Circumference = Distance Around Ring (ONLY)
Circumference = 3.14 (Tube Diameter + 2(Gap)
Circumference = 3.14 (87.8mm + 2(5mm)
Circumference = 3.14 (97.8mm) = 307.092mm

So, you want a tab too. Your tab is going to be 13mm. You'll also have one flap to fold around the end of your opposing tab to keep it in place. So, you have two tabs each 13mm plus one flap which is 7mm.

Recap.:

Total Length of Ring Strip = Circumference + 2(Tab) + Flap
Total Length of Ring Strip = 307.092mm + 2(13mm) + 7mm = 340.092mm

Total Length of Ring Strip = 340.092mm

Cut your ring strip to 340.092mm in length. Now, mark off a line 13mm from left end of strip; mark off line 7mm from right end of strip; now mark off another line 13mm behind the 7mm mark on right side of strip.

Now that you have your strip marked where you are going to make your bends, it's time to radius the strip. Make sure all your marks are on the outside of where you plan to put your radius. Now grip one end of your strip with a vice grip and put the other end around a steel pole and connect the other end of the strip to another vice grip. Now pull the vice grips back and forth at least 10 times with the round pole putting a radius on the side of the strip you intended to radius. Now disconnect your vice grips and put a 90 degree bend to the left end of your strip where you marked it. Now put a 90 degree bend on the other side of the strip at inside mark 13mm back from the 7mm mark on the right side of the strip. Now put about a 30 degree bend on the line at the right side for the 7mm flap. Fold the two tabs together and lock them in place with the 7mm flap at the right side. Now when you have everything in place pinch the flap down tight to hold both flaps very securely. Your Ring is done and ready to attach to your assembly.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

S
I just learned My buddy here can make movies on his phone !!

Very nice indeed!!

Cna you give me the calcs for you ring {ikea]
I want to run this tonight with the proper Gap !! [i sanded in and out today]

Thanks
Chet
PS
How do I post movies??
PPS
Your ring looks great !! Is that 4MM high?
I want to try the 5mm gap first

[RAMSET]

Good stuff

S
I have no strait flat stock so I'm going to try to weld a section in ,
Now I know the length
Thanks Bud
Chet
PS
I'll be boiling tonight for sure!

[Slovenia]

Your Welcome!!

Your welcome, Glad to help you!!

S
I have no strait flat stock so I'm going to try to weld a section in ,
Now I know the length
Thanks Bud
Chet
PS
I'll be boiling tonight for sure!

[RAMSET]

6mm

5 gal 110V ---6MM gap [4MM height]---10 min ----raised-- 1.2C ----.03 KWH

Gonna slice a 1MM and run again

[RAMSET]

5 gal 110V 10 min 5.5MM Gap raise 2C .04 KWH



Gonna make another slice

[RAMSET]

5 gal 110V 10 min 5 MM gap 2,8C .05 KWH

Ring proximity increases heat and KWH
The smaller the gap the more heat and KWH's [so far]

[RAMSET]

Question to the professor

This Can I am Sanding [while I run my heat tests ] ,has some imperfections
[in photo] is it possible to find a can without such imperfections?
I have been told it could take 20 hrs of sanding and tuning to get this right
I don't want to waste time on a bad can [unless this is typical]

Another question?
I have made a microscopic hole while sanding [when it was full ]
have I ruined it?

Thank you
Chet

[RAMSET]

evening summary

5 gal 110V 6MM gap [4MM height] 10 min raised 1.2C .03 KWH
5 gal 110V 5.5MM Gap [4MM height] 10min raised 2C . .04 KWH
5 gal 110V 5 MM Gap [4MM height] 10 min raised 2,8C .05 KWH

[TEKTRON]

Serbian Message from Mr. "C"

Quite likely google translator may have messed up the English translation I published on Energetic.



Gledao sam slike IKEA boce, nije dobro napravljena, Sonic boiler ne korodira ako je dobro napravljen.
Jaz između elektroda mora biti 1,725 mm na 60 Hz 110 Volti , na 220 V je 2,52mm Na 300 Herca mora da rezonira, Malo vode mora biti oko sonic boilera.


Račun COP za ikea bocu je
COP=(((18972.059 x 4.5 x 4,186 )/600)/60/60))/0.1=1.6545 prosek
na 100 stepeni Celzija bio bi COP=3,309
IKEA je Dobio je više energije nego što je uložio 3.3 puta na 100 stepeni Celzija 110 V 60Hz
Na 220 V bi COP bio duplo veći
Super rezultat za početak neka ispravi onu grešku sa prstenom da rezonira na 300 Hz

TRANSLATED:
"I watched the images IKEA bottles, is not well made, Sonic boiler corrosion if not well made.
The gap between the electrodes must be 1.725 mm at 60 Hz 110 Volts, at 220 V is 2.52 mm At 300 Hz has to resonate, A little water should be about sonic boiler.


COP account for the bottle Ikea
COP = (((18972.059 x 4.5 x 4.186) / 600) / 60/60)) / 0.1 = 1.6545 average
at 100 degrees Celsius would be COP = 3.309
IKEA has received more energy than is invested 3.3 times at 100 degrees Celsius 110 V 60 Hz
At 220 V to COP was twice as high
Super result for the start of a correct one error with a ring to resonate at 300 Hz"

The Things that stick out to me is "A little water should be about sonic boiler." I don't think he likes the whole apparatus submerged and 300 Hz is wrong freq for 110v. 300 Hz is for 220v???

[TEKTRON]

Ring proximity increases heat and KWH
The smaller the gap the more heat and KWH's [so far]

Chet, back in 1982, I did some electrolysis tests with 110vac. When the water was cold, the current draw was very high. Something like 8A. the hotter The water got, the lower the current draw. As I remember when the water boiled the draw was down below 1 amp. I think a smaller diameter dunk tank with less water is called for as well as a much longer test

[cornfused]

easy sanding

Guys and Gals
I just figured out an easier way to sand cans with the top cut off.....
First stuff a rag in the can, kinda center it. it needs to almost fill the can up...then find you a plastic drinking cup thats tapered and will slide into the open end of can. press it in and Bingo!! Ive been sanding on my latest can with it on the drill,, this is sooooo much better!

And also, Thank you Professer Savic' for everything you have shared. We are very greatful, and this has been a really fun thing to do. Thanks A Lot!!

[boguslaw]

I have a little worrying : if higher COP occur after water is boiling inside can then we cannot check the efficiency without a complete system with recirculating water in pipes using pump.