Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[RAMSET]

A promise I believe.....[Goethe Quote]

“Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back. Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then Providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would have come his way. Whatever you can do, or dream you can do, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. Begin it now.”



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Let us Begin!!

[MonsieurM]

Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it. Begin it now. .............so true

thank you

[PhysicsProf]

Thanks, Chet.

OK, I've been discussing with several trusted friends HOW to get the OU devices out there while 1) serving humanity; 2) making a "fair profit", and 3) avoiding "official harassment."

First the rejected ideas:
1. Joining up with a big corporation at a large fee, so they would get big profits (or bury it if they chose). This "sell-out" approach will result in the new-energy device being buried for many years, almost certainly, and might actually lead to some harassment as they endeavor to keep you= the inventor silent after selling out. If you worked with the Chinese, they MIGHT get the product out, but again not a trustworthy way to proceed as they have been known to take-and-make products with no respect for intellectual property.

2. Working out a deal with gov-mint so that they get tax revenue as the device is used... They will already get sales taxes (see below), but as a friend noted to me, "personally I'd never go for this; the government NEVER makes binding agreements and they can change the deal at any time."

Two ideas that look good, open for discussion:

A. Wide-scale FREE publication with enough details to produce a device is basically the "freemium" model. [See Wikipedia.] The inventor can probably safely put his own name on the work and disclaim copyright, and then use the reputation for higher pay in consulting work, and building and selling small devices in TWO parts (see B, below) . He almost certainly would receive opportunities to partner with multiple companies that would manufacture or install or service/update the devices in various countries. Even publishing a newsletter or a subscription to ongoing design improvements could bring in plenty of money to fund a family nicely.


B. The "smaller is better" model of selling TWO parts separately and growing by word-of-mouth (person to person). This is a business model used successfully in the US by a company that makes and sells a "Rife machine" which treats health conditions such as arthritis but WITHOUT making ANY CLAIMS.
They simply sell as a 'frequency generator' (part 1) and "ancillaries" (part 2; required for operation) and state that they are not making any specific claims. You would NOT claim "overunity" or even "free energy" -- just say something like, "a highly efficient water heater." (People understand what you're saying, these days... They know about government controls, like the FDA in the US.)

The buyer gets separate parts and then he/she is responsible to CONNECT part 1 and part2, so it is like a "kit" put together by the consumer. Word of mouth advertising only, which with people writing emails and blogs themselves is working well -- the PEOPLE are doing the advertising!

Mark-up above actual cost is about a factor of TEN I estimate; but people are buying it in numbers. The two parts together sale for about $3,000 (and the cost-to-make is roughly $300). Sales tax is paid; the government is happy. Although the "frequency generator" company makes no health-treatment claims, they will quote "testimonials" from satisfied customers. No problems from "officials" yet, the business model is working fine.

Note that with either A or B model, competition is an apparent "problem" -- but not really as the goal is to get the devices out to the people anyway. The big profit is made largely in the FIRST SEVERAL MONTHS, with ongoing proceeds in this way: "Publishing a newsletter or a subscription to ongoing design improvements could bring in plenty of money to fund a family nicely. "

[RAMSET]

Working on the ship..

I have to go finish up the Project on the ship for the next few days [[parts came in]
Any hoooo....
Professor
Yes ,selling with ""some assembly required"" is exactly how the ultralight /experimental aircraft industry has survived for the last 30 odd years,hard to imagine a stricter venue then aircraft??

Of course if for instance we were selling flavor shavers and we wanted to be completely separated from any liability [flavor shavers are edible]
We would sell them in pieces that would have absolutely nothing at all to do with the end result ....

Like a vase for holding flowers .... and a bag of incense ???

Where there is a will there is a way!!

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Thanks for the ideas ,Keep um comin !!

Chet

[PhysicsProf]

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Professor
Yes ,selling with ""some assembly required"" is exactly how the ultralight /experimental aircraft industry has survived for the last 30 odd years,hard to imagine a stricter venue then aircraft??

Of course if for instance we were selling flavor shavers and we wanted to be completely separated from any liability [flavor shavers are edible]
We would sell them in pieces that would have absolutely nothing at all to do with the end result ....

Like a vase for holding flowers .... and a bag of incense ???

Where there is a will there is a way!!

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Thanks for the ideas ,Keep um comin !!

Chet

Yes, one more idea== I think this one might be the best.

C. Big cash prize to the INVENTOR by a PRIVATE DONOR who buys the invention to GIVE TO HUMANITY. (A BIG-BIG CHRISTMAS GIFT to mankind!)
A small team would help disperse the information and building of devices worldwide, with globe-sweeping announcement and demonstrations in local media/youtube/media at ONE HOUR on an agree upon day. A win-win situation where the inventor gets a BIG reward for his efforts and humanity benefits big-time. The inventor could still build and sell as he wished; but no patenting (which I believe would be counterproductive in any case.)

And of course, the inventor would also get the New Renaissance prizes I've offered -- this is an extension of that plan. Which means a device would have to be independently tested AS the prize was being given, see
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post165429
(I just don't have the big bucks that I think an inventor would deserve.)

I spoke to a fellow today about the energy work. Now this guy has some personal bucks. There is 50% probability right now I'd guess that he would be the private donor. A very nice Christian fellow.

Hmmm... the prize. Probably around $120, 000 the first year and another $120,000 the second year, that is, to be awarded January 2012 and January 2113 -- I would guess. Would that do it?

[PhysicsProf]

I meant 2013 for the second installment; for some reason it won't let me edit the post; also I should be more conservative on the estimate the donor will donate. He sounded very generous in our face-to-face discussion this afternoon, but to be safe -- correct the last sentence to:

Probably around $50,000 to $120, 000 the first year and another $50,000 to $120, 000 the second year, that is, to be awarded January 2012 and January 2o13 -- I would guess.

[RAMSET]

I would say that could work ?

Professor
Perhaps you should firm that up??
A commitment ?

Thanks
Chet

[PhysicsProf]

OK, I'll see about firming that up; which I expect will take a little time -- and I'll give others an opportunity to be the "angel-donor" as we say. And the dollar amount was my own suggestion; the donor would of course have to agree.
If there are disagreements or objections, pls raise the concerns here. Again, it is on the basis that the inventor gets a large prize right after testing and the invention itself becomes a GIFT to mankind in that it will be made freely available.

Note that there may be a competition for a few "entries" for this prize; in which case there would probably have to be a team chosen from among us who would decide (in a limited time frame) which of the entries would BEST SERVE HUMANITY.

[MonsieurM]

Hi all,

Excellent Ideas Professor, The Freemium Idea looks to be also very promising and quite attractive from my Point of View

@RAMSET , any luck in the replication ...would love to hear about it

[boguslaw]

I like option C but it looks highly improbable.

[RAMSET]

A few days..........

Gordon
A job I started a while back has to be finished up ,So its gonna be a few days till I have time?

I will share the results and procedure right here !!

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Regarding open sourcing,

Our futures depend on what we do with a device that can save so many lives?

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Chet

[PhysicsProf]

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Regarding open sourcing,

Our futures depend on what we do with a device that can save so many lives?

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Chet

Well said, Chet! It's not just getting a device to work... Our futures depend on WHAT WE DO with the device...

Sell-out? or Give to mankind freely?

I do think that the inventor(s) should get a reward, and from my brief discussion yesterday, I think somewhere around $200,000 over two years is what can be expected from the "angel-donor". PLUS -- the inventors can sell devices or UPDATES in addition to getting the PRIZE.

[Slovenia]

Latvian Connection (Ultimate Reality by Joseph Cater)

My Latvian connection made me aware of a very serious set of books by Joseph Cater. They are called the Ultimate Reality Vol #1 & Vol #2. They are some very incredible books and I would highly recommend them to you. They cover all sorts of hidden scientific information including a lot of what Gordon has talked about. Anyway, have a look at them if you have some extra time or any interest. I scanned them the other day and found them to be highly worthwhile.

[MonsieurM]

Thanks Slovenia for the book...will definitely check it out

find it here

http://www.tuks.nl/cache7471/CaterBook2.pdf

[Slovenia]

Vol #2

Make sure you check out Vol #2 also. This guy, Joseph Cater, is incredible so you don't want to miss anything. He brings a lot of stuff to light that few other authors address. A lot of forgotten folks are brought up in his books.

Thanks Slovenia for the book...will definitely check it out

find it here

http://www.tuks.nl/cache7471/CaterBook2.pdf