Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[evolvingape]

Hello

Hi Everyone,

Chet asked me a little while ago to take a look at this thread and help you guys out if I can. I have had a brief look at what your trying to do and have put up some options for you to pursue if you choose too.

I have been taking some time off lately, mind not so clear and working poorly but I will have a bit of time over the Christmas period to study this sonic boiler and I will see if I can help.

In the meantime I have put up some information that applies to what your trying to do over in this thread, seems everyone with a heat source wants to know what to do with it:

Phoenix Turbine Builders Club Forum

Rob Mason

[Slovenia]

Welcome

Welcome to Energetic. Nice to have you with us Rob.

Hi Everyone,

Chet asked me a little while ago to take a look at this thread and help you guys out if I can. I have had a brief look at what your trying to do and have put up some options for you to pursue if you choose too.

I have been taking some time off lately, mind not so clear and working poorly but I will have a bit of time over the Christmas period to study this sonic boiler and I will see if I can help.

In the meantime I have put up some information that applies to what your trying to do over in this thread, seems everyone with a heat source wants to know what to do with it:

Phoenix Turbine Builders Club Forum

Rob Mason

[RAMSET]

Great big smile!!

Rob
What a big surprise!!
I am having one of those days that we dream of!!

Speaking to all kinds of new friends and old ones too!!

Welcome, Most dear and trusted friend!!

Chet

[grizli]

Hi all!

I have one question about sonic heater device:

AS we can see on last two pages there are drawings from prof. Savic.


Device is made from two parts, top "plate" that has to acousticly resonate at 400 Hz that is harmonic of 50 Hz

What about bottom part, or water container , does it also have to acousticly resonate at some frequency or not ?



Why not using copper ? Copper plate is soft material , using hammer it can be manually shaped in any form you lake (if you have some skill) and by hitting it you can tune frequency you like (hitting make plate less thick)

Also can PC MIC and spectral analysis software be used to find 400 hz acoustic resonance? Material acoustic resonance frequency is NOT affected by medium around it .. if you make metal tube hang and you hit it it will resonate at the same frequency as when you firmly grab tube in hand, for example

Thank You!

[Slovenia]

IKEA Device

The last two pages are dealing with the IKEA device which is an off shoot of the original Serbian device. The original Serbian device had one tube positively charged and a ring on the outside of the tube that was the neutral. We have experimented with the ring heater and it works very well. If you go back many pages, you can see my experiments with the ring. I have a lot of pics of the first days test. Others also posted pics too. The diagram I posted recently with the flat neutral was to demonstrate what I think the IKEA may look like since it has two tubes an inner and outer tube that are both connected to positive charge while they both have to have some sort of neutral assembly interact with them. The bottom of the IKEA has two tubes sanded off at same exact length. So, the most expedient way to utilize both those tubes would be a flat assembly like in the later version of the Serbian boiler with a flat neutral that interacts with both tubes at the same time. Also, the adjustment of the flat neutral would be much easier than any other design.

Copper may be okay to use but our contacts have only mentioned aluminum can and stainless setups and not copper. So, you can experiment with copper if you like.

Also, most of us are utilizing pc generated tones to tune our devices. The IKEA device does not need to be tuned because it is driven by a self tuning electrical mechanism. So, it is probably the better design to use if you know how to tune something like that automatically. That information is proprietary and has not been shared here.

Hi all!

I have one question about sonic heater device:

AS we can see on last two pages there are drawings from prof. Savic.


Device is made from two parts, top "plate" that has to acousticly resonate at 400 Hz that is harmonic of 50 Hz

What about bottom part, or water container , does it also have to acousticly resonate at some frequency or not ?



Why not using copper ? Copper plate is soft material , using hammer it can be manually shaped in any form you lake (if you have some skill) and by hitting it you can tune frequency you like (hitting make plate less thick)

Also can PC MIC and spectral analysis software be used to find 400 hz acoustic resonance? Material acoustic resonance frequency is NOT affected by medium around it .. if you make metal tube hang and you hit it it will resonate at the same frequency as when you firmly grab tube in hand, for example

Thank You!

[grizli]

The last two pages are dealing with the IKEA device which is an off shoot of the original Serbian device. The original Serbian device had one tube positively charged and a ring on the outside of the tube that was the neutral. We have experimented with the ring heater and it works very well. If you go back many pages, you can see my experiments with the ring. I have a lot of pics of the first days test. Others also posted pics too. The diagram I posted recently with the flat neutral was to demonstrate what I think the IKEA may look like since it has two tubes an inner and outer tube that are both connected to positive charge while they both have to have some sort of neutral assembly interact with them. The bottom of the IKEA has two tubes sanded off at same exact length. So, the most expedient way to utilize both those tubes would be a flat assembly like in the later version of the Serbian boiler with a flat neutral that interacts with both tubes at the same time. Also, the adjustment of the flat neutral would be much easier than any other design.

Copper may be okay to use but our contacts have only mentioned aluminum can and stainless setups and not copper. So, you can experiment with copper if you like.

Also, most of us are utilizing pc generated tones to tune our devices. The IKEA device does not need to be tuned because it is driven by a self tuning electrical mechanism. So, it is probably the better design to use if you know how to tune something like that automatically. That information is proprietary and has not been shared here.

Can you link that IKEA bottle ? or maybe give model number .. I have IKEA here.

But principle of operation is kind of confusing : So metal rink can really self resonate at 400 hz ? and container also according to prof.Savic has to resonate at 50 hz? or thats just consequence of AC 50 hz current

The IKEA device does not need to be tuned because it is driven by a self tuning electrical mechanism.

Please explain this better? You have AC source of variable frequency that you tune to bottle acoustic resonance ?

Thanks !

[RAMSET]

Its all here in this thread..

Griz
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Can you link that IKEA bottle ? or maybe give model number .. I have IKEA here.
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I am working now but the info you ask for is here in these pages ,Actually most of your questions have been covered here??

Please take the time to read the thread!!
Thanks
Chet

[Slovenia]

Tuned Query

When I said the IKEA didn't need to be tuned, I meant it didn't need to be sanded to be tuned that way. It can be electronically tuned in lieu of sanding it to tune it. The tubes need to be tuned to resonate at 50 Hz in EU & 60 Hz in USA. The tubes are connected to direct current while the ring or plate is connected to neutral.

All the data you seek is covered in this thread.

P.S.: Unless you have a way to tune the IKEA electronically, it might not be the right device for you to replicate. The beer can device would probably be a much better place to start. It's tuned by sanding the can until it resonates at the required frequency.

Please explain this better? You have AC source of variable frequency that you tune to bottle acoustic resonance ?
Thanks !

[wrtner]

All the data you seek is covered in this thread....

It is 46 pages !!!

I wonder if a resumé of the position we are in, and building
instructions should be drawn up for the two quite different
developments.

[Slovenia]

46 Pages

Yes, that is a lot of reading if someone is just coming in. I did put a pdf together of the 1st Serbian model which I can pull out and share again. The down and dirty info on the IKEA device is only about three pages if I remember right. Most of the posts on this thread don't actually deal with how to build the device. There is a section where we first got started with the IKEA boiler and Chet and I discuss how to do it for about three or so pages. That's probably about 20 pages back. I'll try to find that area for you and other interested parties.

Point well taken!!

It is 46 pages !!!

I wonder if a resumé of the position we are in, and building
instructions should be drawn up for the two quite different
developments.

[Slovenia]

IKEA Boiler

Refer to page 28 of this thread for information on the IKEA boiler. That's where we got started discussing all of the details related to it. There is a lot of how to information there for about three or so pages.

[Slovenia]

IKEA Boiler

If you don't have a way to tune this boiler electronically, it may not be the right boiler for you to start on. It's an intermediate design and not a beginner design. The beer can design with the ring is the beginner design. I will post a pdf file for the beer can ring boiler by tomorrow.

[Slovenia]

Serbian Boiler PDF File

Here's the promised Serbian boiler pdf file.

[Slovenia]

Message from Mr. "C"

Message from Mr. "C"

For two years studying Tesla's work and I'm trying to understand phenomena in nature as he did.
Currently I report two types of sound with an average COP of the boiler = 52,
an ultrasonic friction heater COP = 2.65,
and a heater hot steam COP = 8.5,
Ultrasound high-voltage capacitive heater and the pressure is now being investigated.

Sonic boiler works best with a little water around the heater, with a high pressure water and electricity voltage and when water is heated to more than 95 degrees Celsius.
With increasing frequency sine AC current increases the COP and the sonic resonance in the boiler.

When you put water eu potash COP increases by 2.5 times.

When the sonic boiler connected to a DC power supply is released big amount of hydrogen.

[RAMSET]

Mornin S

What an absolute privilege it is to be a part of this, I learn more and more with each passing day !!!

And I'm not talking about the "Device", I'm speaking of the Men....[And Mrs DB]

What an absolute Privilege!

A birth is coming .....
How wonderful!!

Tis the season..................

Chet
PS
I apologize if I seem Giddy....
I can't help myself!