Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Question to Professor Savic

Hi Weeb1e,

Just title your question, question to professor Savic, and then ask your question directly to Professor Savic. He may find time to respond to your question directly then. Otherwise, he may miss your question to him all together. He responds to some things but not to others.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Good day and Merry Christmas to all,

I have been following this thread since it was very young and I would like to congratulate everyone who has had a part in the progress that has been made. I would like to thank everyone who has make their development open source, especially the professor. Anyone who has done a fair amount of research into suppressed energy technologies knows there is no other way to get such a device out into the world.

I have been researching this kind of device for years now and I am really excited about future possibilities for implementation.

I am intrigued by the professors explanation about where the excess energy comes from, as I came to the conclusion that cavitation is the key.

Temperature inside collapsing bubble four times that of sun: Temperature inside collapsing bubble four times that of sun
Sonofusion Experiment Produces Results Without External Neutron Source: Sonofusion Experiment Produces Results Without External Neutron Source
Collapsing bubbles have hot plasma core: Collapsing bubbles have hot plasma core : Nature News

The following is some information I have gathered about this phenomenon, it may not be extremely accurate and some parts may very well be wrong, as much of it was not written by a conventional scientist. But I'm hoping it will be enough to give you an idea about it.

I would be very interested to hear what the professor thinks about this.

[RAMSET]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

Pistol Shrimp - YouTube

Who could deny Cavitation does something special in the water??{ Many thanks to St Buzz]

Chet

[Slovenia]

Mr. "C" Reply to Weeb1e

Reply to Weeb1e

Cavitation is the ultrasound above 18000 Hz with sonic boiler is only resonances.
Read my explanation in previous posts.
Energy can not get out of nothing
Sonic boiler works as a heat pump extracts energy from on high frequency resonances of the system and fed to the low frequency system.
The frequency of excitation current must be the same as the sound frequency electrodes.
The higher frequency of current and voltage and pressure in the water, more energy can be rooted out of the vacuum.
Collapse of the electron capture energy from vacuum a high frequency resonances are drawn to our low-frequency system.
prof.Savić, Serbia.

[Slovenia]

Questions for Professor Savic (from Altair Dec. 23, 2011)

Резонантна учестаност
Здраво свима,
Ја сам нови на овој теми. То сам прочитао у потпуности пре слања поруке.

Рано у овој теми, професор Савић је написао да могу да унутрашњег пречника пива је веома важно јер је морао да буде четвртина таласне дужине од фреквенције 1.1530479 МХз
Он је рекао да је пречник може морао да буде 65мм.
Радили калкулације, таласна дужина која фреквенција је 260.18мм.
260.18 / 4 = 65.045
Довољно близу.

Недавно, Господин М послали извод из друге веб сајт који гласи:
"Али оно што треба да схватите је да је он нам је оставио траг .... експлозија воде са 42712.2Хз ... и хармонична Математика ће сигурно омогућити да пронађете фреквенцију да кувате воду"

Тако да сам мало рачунања да ли постоји веза између две фреквенције. Хајде да се примењују хармоника математику фреквенција која експлодира вода:

42712,2 к 9 = 384409.8 Хз
384409,8 к 3 = 1.153229.4 МХз!
Веома близу фреквенције др Савић ментионнед зар не?

Сам потрази за фреквенције он помиње, али без резултата изађе, осим форума страницама овде, и на нашем

Дакле, моје прво питање му би:
Да ли сте стигли на ту фреквенцију од стране исте прорачуне сам урадио?

Друго питање је:
Како сте одредити оптималну дужину могу?
Можемо добити тачан механички одјек може са дебљим зидом и дуже трајање? (За разлику од веома танких зидова и дужина ограничена оним што је доступно на полицама пива продавнице)

Треће, желео бих да знам да ли разлика од 2.52мм је такође одређен хармонијске прорачунима, а ако се заснива на 60Хз или хармоника.

Желео бих да вам се захвалим искрено др Савић, за довођење информације о овој технологији.
Али да би успели, морамо потпуно разумети принцип по коме овај систем функционише. У супротном, никада нећемо бити у стању да изгради ефикасан реплике. Цела поента учешћа на овом форуму, и раде експерименте, јесте да увођење новог знања на свету, и зауставити сузбијање ефикасних технологија.
Овај бојлер је највише обећава једноставне технологије у овом тренутку, и ако успемо да се то у свету познатих, то ће вероватно изазвати почетак стварне откривање слободне енергије технологија у целом свету.

С поштовањем.

[weeb1e]

Thank you for taking the time to respond professor Savić.

Reply to Weeb1e

Cavitation is the ultrasound above 18000 Hz with sonic boiler is only resonances.
Read my explanation in previous posts.
Energy can not get out of nothing
Sonic boiler works as a heat pump extracts energy from on high frequency resonances of the system and fed to the low frequency system.
The frequency of excitation current must be the same as the sound frequency electrodes.
The higher frequency of current and voltage and pressure in the water, more energy can be rooted out of the vacuum.
Collapse of the electron capture energy from vacuum a high frequency resonances are drawn to our low-frequency system.
prof.Savić, Serbia.

[Altair]

What Prof. Savic says here, about the higher frequency system feeding energy from the aether back into the low-frequency system, reminds me of the Don Smith devices...
Altair

[MonsieurM]

one more thing...



Btw all the value necessary for building the Davey Sonic Boiler or The Doulble Caduceus mobius are found here

so I figured I'd take a look at 369 Magic Square...found the following







the Seal of the Moon: Planetary Seal of The Moon





just try..and you'll see...slice the number (for ex 2.52 into 2 and 52 )

Check the numbers surrounding 2 ...you have 1 for 2.1 and 52 for 2.52..you still have 42 74 43 3 11 51


Happy holidays

I just wanted to add that if you want to find a pattern based on the numbers we already have (thank you Prof Savic )

Take the above table and make another table in which you will reduce all the numbers to a single digit present in the first table (Rodin Vortex Based Math or plain Harmonic math ) and overlay the second table on top of the first one the first one.

Then compare to the values we already have


a little more complicated version of BINGO

[PhysicsProf]

Years ago, I worked with a small crystal sphere (approximately 7 cm diameter) that had a small-neck opening to admit water. On the side of the sphere, I had attached a piezo-electric transducer that allowed me to transmit ultra-sonic vibrations into the sphere.

I had a lot of fun, learning with this device. By tuning the frequency from a signal generator, I was able to generate cavitations in the water in various patterns in the sphere. Beautiful sight -- to see the bubbles forming and collapsing inside the water. That was at least a dozen years ago, and was before I retired. I don't even know where that sphere is now... I am now an Emeritus Professor, with access to the lab equipment -- if I could find that sphere! I could make another one I suppose.

The goal was to see whether cavitations in heavy water D2O would result in deuteron-deuteron fusion events, which would produce neutrons. However, with my device at the time, I did not see any neutron production from cavitations. I tested for neutrons using a sophisticated helium-3 filled detector, which is still available to me!

[MonsieurM]

Years ago, I worked with a small crystal sphere (approximately 7 cm diameter) that had a small-neck opening to admit water. On the side of the sphere, I had attached a piezo-electric transducer that allowed me to transmit ultra-sonic vibrations into the sphere.

I had a lot of fun, learning with this device. By tuning the frequency from a signal generator, I was able to generate cavitations in the water in various patterns in the sphere. Beautiful sight -- to see the bubbles forming and collapsing inside the water. That was at least a dozen years ago, and was before I retired. I don't even know where that sphere is now... I am now an Emeritus Professor, with access to the lab equipment -- if I could find that sphere! I could make another one I suppose.

The goal was to see whether cavitations in heavy water D2O would result in deuteron-deuteron fusion events, which would produce neutrons. However, with my device at the time, I did not see any neutron production from cavitations. I tested for neutrons using a sophisticated helium-3 filled detector, which is still available to me!

Professor you have reproduced Fuller's Experiment with the sphere :



also a thread on sonofusion

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-research.html

in the water in various patterns in the sphere

see also: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...phenomena.html

[MonsieurM]

one more detail about the two overlaid tables using Rodin Math.... you can assign a color to each number as the following example:




the pattern will surely appear to you

[PhysicsProf]

Thanks for the links, Monsieur M. Ah, sonofusion -- the good old days -- but nostalgia just isn't what it used to be!

Now this comment I found googling,

The earliest reference to the term "sonofusion" seems to be by Steven E. Jones, a professor at Brigham Young University. A graduate student of his at BYU, Jeannette Lawler, was involved in a search for "sonofusion" in D2O as early as December 10, 1992. A theoretical discussion was given in 1992 by Terry Bollinger. Jones provided another overview in 1995. [see next post]

In 1992, Seth Putterman of UCLA indicated that his group had reached 100,000 C in sonoluminescence experiments, and thought 1 million C was possible. Roger Stringham claimed to have produced confined nuclear fusion via ultrasound in 1993. Also in 1993 Fukushima and Yamamoto wrote an article entitled "Sonofusion: Maximum Temperature Hot Spots".

And the brief article of mine referenced and linked in the above; but I'll have to use a separate post as its just too long to post here.

[PhysicsProf]

OK, here's the 1995 essay I wrote on sonofusion; not that this is what Prof. Savic or DaemonBart or others are seeing (necessarily):

Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
Subject: RE: Sonoluminescence and Fusion
Date: 2 Mar 95 13:32:16 -0700
Organization: Brigham Young University

Dear colleagues:

There have been several postings lately regarding sonoluminescence(SL),
and a possible connection to fusion. Our work continues on searching for
neutron emissions associated with bubble cavitation in sound fields,
using our sensitive neutron detectors, deep underground, in Provo Canyon
(Utah). I should report that we have not yet detected any neutron emissions
from SL, in deuterium-filled bubbles in aqueous solutions. We have, however,
achieved both multi-bubble and single-bubble (clock-like) SL using D2
bubbles. Terry Bollinger and I suggested a possible connection between SL
and fusion back in 1992 on this net, and I spoke briefly on the subject at the
ICCF-3 meeting in Nagoya in October 1992. But nothing has panned out yet. We have not given up still.

Below I send updated information from a previous post to s.p.f.:

I would like to call your attention to two interesting articles on
sonoluminescence (SL). The first was written by Lawrence Crum of
the Univ. of Washington, one of the true gentlemen of modern
science. His article appears in this month's issue of Physics
Today (Sept. 1994). Appended to this post find an earlier
commentary on Prof. Crum's colloquium at BYU in January 1994 and
related ideas. Note that in that post the notion of fusion during
bubble cavitation in SL is advanced -- indeed, this idea was
discussed here on s.p.f. as early as 1992 (Jones, Bollinger, etc.).
Well, Prof. Crum is bold enough to advance the idea in his Phys.
Today article:

"The strong probability that SBSL results from an imploding shock
wave has now made this curious phenomenon one of considerable
interest. ...This spherically symmetric implosion has the
potential for creating some exotic physics... Calculations suggest
that temperatures as high as 10^8 K are to be expected. This
result has in turn prompted calculations of the possibilities of
inertial confinement fusion with a deuterium-tritium gas mixture,
which yield a qualified estimate of 40 neutrons per second under
ideal conditions [ref. 9]."

Whoa -- we can easily see 40 neutrons per *day* in our detector in
the Provo Canyon tunnel laboratory.

So we look at ref 9, which is a paper in Phys. Rev. Lett. 72 (1994)
1380-1383 by Bradley Barber et al. from UCLA. (The second must-
read paper.) The calculation there is based on a shock-wave model
by Wu and Roberts which I have discussed previously here, found in
PRLett. 70 (1993) 3424. The idea, in brief, is that the spherical
sound wave in the water impinges on a bubble (here D2+T2) in the
center of a spherical flask. As the bubble collapses, a shock wave
forms which rapidly heats the gas near the origin. After
reflection, the outgoing shock wave further heats the gas just
heated by the incoming shock -- and the result 0.1 ps after
focussing is a remarkable 3 X 10^8 K (!).

Bradley et al. then use standard formulas for d-t fusion, based on
sigma-v for d-t at 10 keV (10^8 K) to estimate a fusion yield of
40 n/s.

I have extended this calculation to hoped-for conditions of our
experiments using sigma-v values for d-d fusion (collapsing bubble
of deuterium simply), to get:

Temp. in shock-heated D2 fusion neutron yield
------------------------ ---------------------
10 keV 1400 n/hour
5 keV 10 n/hour
2 keV 0.2 n/hour

Since our detector has an efficiency of 15% for 2.45 MeV neutrons
(from d-d fusion) with a background rate of 0.65 counts/hour, the
5 keV number (fusion yield of 10 n/h) would have to be achieved in
order for us to detect a signal. Of course, if we could use D2+
tritium in the bubble, D2+T2, then a much lower temperature would
allow us to see the (14.1 MeV) neutrons from d-t fusion. Indeed,
a temperature of 1 keV (11,600 K) would give a yield of about 10
neutrons/h for d-t fusion -- again easy to see in our detector in
Provo Canyon. But I think we'd better stick with D2 for the
present. Stay tuned.

I am intrigued also by Prof. Crum's comment that there is evidence
for occasional "super shocks" in which "internal shock waves would
occur that would be similar to those postulated for SBSL [see
below] but driven at much higher initial velocities. Because of
the transient nature of the phenomenon it would be very difficult
to determine if and when these "super shocks" occurred." [Phys.
Today, p. 28]

I suggest that neutrons from fusion may provide a probe for such
unusual events. [snip]

My January 1994 post below is reposted to provide background for
those who missed it:

Prof. Lawrence Crum of the University of Washington provided a
colloquium on the subject of "Synchronous Picosecond
Sonoluminescence" (SP-SL) at BYU on January 21, 1994. Here is his
abstract for his talk:

When an acoustic wave of moderate pressure amplitude is propagated
through an aqueous liquid, light emissions can be observed. This
conversion of mechanical energy into electromagnetic energy
represents and energy amplification per molecule of over eleven
orders of magnitude! Recently, we made the discovery that a
single, stable gas bubble, acoustically levitated in a liquid, can
emit optical emissions each cycle for an unlimited period of time.

Presumably, the oscillations of the bubble cause the gas in the
interior to be heated to incandescent temperatures during the
compression portion of the cycle. We have no current explanation
for how this mechanical system sustains itself. Furthermore, some
recent evidence from Putterman and colleagues at UCLA indicates
that the lifetime of the optical pulse is less than 50 picoseconds,
and that the temperatures elevated in the interior of the bubble
for times on the order of tens of nanoseconds, it is likely that
some rather unusual physics is occurring. The best guess is that
a shock wave is created in the gas which is then elevated to high
temperatures by inertial confinement. If shock waves are the
mechanism for SL emission, then optimization of the process could
lead to extraordinary physics. A general review of this intriguing
phenomenon will be presented as well as the latest explanations for
the anomalous behavior.


Here I provide notes based on his talk and our discussions
together, along with other literature.

First, it is important to distinguish stable, SB-SL from the
previously known *transient* sonoluminescence (T-SL). These appear
to be quite different phenomena, as a table will demonstrate:

Transient (garden-variety)SL Stable single-bubble SL [SB-SL]
----------------------------- --------------------------------

Multiple cavitation sites One cavitation site (or few)
with random spatial and with same bubble(s) repeatedly
temporal distribution collapsing

(To simplify discussion, I will consider the SB-SL case of a single
bubble at the center of a spherical flask full of H2O or D2O.)

Can be produced by traveling Requires standing sound waves (SW)
or standing waves of sound

Easily obtained, with much Very difficult to realize; requires
gas dissolved in liquid <5% dissolved gasses. Bubble must
be *injected* into liquid.

Discovered 1933 by N.Marinesco Discovered 1988 by D. Gaitan, L.
& J. Trillat. Crum and C. Church.

Emitted light spectrum shows Emitted light shows no distinct
distinct lines, e.g., N+N --> lines; rather, spectrum fits black
N2; so chemiluminescence curve quite well.
postulated.

Bubles tend to collapse asym- Bubbles tend to collapse symmetric
metrically, thus introducing "developing an imploding shock wave
liquid into bubble, which is within the gas." [L.A. Crum, J.
heated by adiabatic compression. Acoust. Soc. Am. 94(1993) 1 ]

From above, Temp ~ 5000 K From above, Temp up to 100,000 K
deduced, during cavitation. deduced during cavitation.

Normal physics, no shock "Extraordinary physics"; shock waves
waves needed. implied.

Time between pulses quite Time between pulses clock-like;
random; pulse-length typically pulse-length < 50 *pico*seconds
several nanoseconds.

(Sychronous picosecond SL:

!__________!__________!__________!__________!_____ _____!____
Time between light-flashes ! = 50 microsec +- 50 Picosec
for 20 kHz driving field; sound source good to 1 part in
10^4, light source stable to 1 part in 10^6. )


No fusion possible. Fusion during cavitation possible?
like inertial-confinement approach
with holraum-like target. Allows
compression with less heating than
ablation approaches IMHO. No
experimental tests yet. I suggest
comparing p-d,d-d and d-t targets
(gases in cavitating bubble).


Additional notes from Barber and Putterman, Nature 352 (1991) 318:

1. "SL is a non-equilibrium phenomenon in which the energy in a
sound wave becomes highly concentrated so as to generate flashes
of light in a liquid. We show here that these flashes, which
comprise over 10^5 photons, are too fast to be resolved by the
fastest photomultiplier tubes available. Furthermore, when SL is
driven by a resonant sound field, the bursts can occur in a
continuously repeating, regular fashion."

2. "These bursts represent an amplification of energy by eleven
orders of magnitude."

3. "The flash widths that we find are so short that one wonders
whether some phenomenon stimultes the atoms to fire in usison.
Known cooperative phenomena include laser action, super-radiance
and super-fluorescence. Any cooperative phenomenon underlying our
observations must be of a spherical nature, however, because a
randomly oriented dipose emission would lead to a broad spread in
the distribution of pulse heights....no such broadening is seen.
Nevertheless, it is reasonable to expect that some type of
correlation characterizes the outgoing photons, because the spacing
between light-emitting sources is much less than the wavelength of
the emitted light."

4. "The huge, spontaneous (non-equilibrium) amplification factors
discussed above are noteworthy in that they are controllable and
reproducible. In this respect, stable synchronous SL differs from
other phenomena (such as dust explosions, ball lightning and highly
speculative conditions for nuclear fusion) that also require large
spontaneous energy concentrations. [Note evident reference to cold
fusion.] If we could understand the mechanism behind synchronous
SL, we might see a way to achieve large but controllable energy
concentrations more generally."

With colleagues, we are now preparing experiments to study stable,
single-bubble SL as a possible means of achieving nuclear fusion
reactions. Our neutron detectors are capable of unambiguously
identifying neutron emissions at a rate of a few neutrons per hour.
A previous posting describes our redundant detectors, employing
fast waveform digitizers, in a deep tunnel in the Wasatch mountains
near the campus of Brigham Young University.

--Steven Jones (1995)

[daemonbart]

Steam energy!

Hi

I started my use of steam that goes away from my heater "project"

For start I calculated that converting 30 l of water into steam needs about 19 kWh input of energy into water that allready is boiling.

From this boiler I use also about 8-10kW heating my radiators. My input from grid is around 40 kWh/24h

So my total output should be around 260 kWh and input around 40.

COP = 6,5

Use of steam will be a good way i think

I will see how much steam i can get without running heat to radiators

Kind rgds d

[Altair]

Ouch !
That language barrier is getting taller, or I'm getting shorter
Anyone who think they might help with that one ?

Altair

[RAMSET]

How big is the space you are heating?

Mr. DB
How big a space will you be heating??
Whats the average outside temp?
Inside temp?

-----------------------
My walls in my Home are 16 inches thick [polyisocyanurate] Roof about the same
My living Space in the winter is very small 700 sq,Ft
when the Temp is 30F average it takes about 60kwh/24h [elec heat]
to maintain 65 -70 F.

Curious to see what size you are heating and your temps??
a little House Calorimetry??

Thanks
Chet