Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[evolvingape]

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Hey Chet,

Yeah man, it's a real fly it and try it by the seat of your pants moment...

The thing about theory is, it is just that, but for me art is theory, and this is so beautiful,just exploring it experimentally is a priviledge...

I am trying to show you what I see, takes your breath away...

Next year is going to be awesome

Rob

[Slovenia]

Guests

Has anyone been watching how many guests we have on this thread. Chet must have told somebody about it. It's incredible.

[Slovenia]

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Marko Rodin inventor of the Rodin coil talks about it too but he explains it from a completely different point of view and I haven't got a handle on that method yet either. It would really be something if we could use that Rodin coil in conjunction with our sonic boiler would it not??

[PhysicsProf]

I would like to especially thank Prof. Savic from Serbia, for making his "sonic boiler" to be "open source" on this ENERGETIC FORUM, as he says in the post quoted below.

I consider that this is a wonderful gift to humanity.
I guess it's the Tesla-Davey-Savic-DaemonBart-Chet-Slovenia... sonic boiler now!

How generous that Prof Savic provides " special thanks to DAEMONBART, RAMSET and SLOVENIA for successful replication of sonic boiler and for publishing the results of testing for guys on ENERGETIC FORUM" !!

Thank you, Prof Savic. I am also glad to provide (as you noted) "support and good feedback on this open source project."

BEST wishes for 2012!!!

-- Prof. Steven Jones
[note: Steven spelled with a "v"]

Message from Mr. "C"

And special thanks to DAEMONBART, RAMSET and SLOVENIA for successful replication of sonic boiler and for publishing the results of testing for guys on ENERGETIC FORUM
especially Prof. Dr. Stephen Jones, retired professor of physics, for the support and good feedback on this open source project.

Happy New Year 2012
May God bless all readers of this forum

prof.Savića from Serbia

[MonsieurM]

Marko Rodin inventor of the Rodin coil talks about it too but he explains it from a completely different point of view and I haven't got a handle on that method yet either. It would really be something if we could use that Rodin coil in conjunction with our sonic boiler would it not??

A little exercise of imagination for you

If you join the two vertical ends of the table and roll it into a Donut by joining the two horizontal other ends you get a Rodin Coil:

[Cherryman]

WATT Meter

So I got this power consumption meter, I need some tips how to measure properly.

I heated 1 liter again, but not sure how to read the power consumption.

During operating I got this:

Start temp 16 Celsius
Start Amp 5.5

During testing amp draw up to almost 10

At boiling amp draw around 7 amps

But why does my KwH stay at zero? (0,0) ?

Why does these things do not come with a proper manual ?


Anyone?

[boguslaw]

Still lots to test, but this instant bubbling is nice to see:

Instant bubbles - YouTube

How you did that ? Details ?

[Slovenia]

50 Hz Tuning Precise

Yes, I believe Mr. "C" and he says it is possible but the hardest part. It took him two weeks or so of sanding for two hours each day with the finest sand paper to accomplish this. Is the length of your can exactly 150 mm?? The length of the can affects the tuning also. Nice to hear from you!!

Is it really possible to tune beer can exactly to 50Hz resonance ? The best I've got is 52Hz and it's only tested that way: I'm holding my beer can via the attached SS rod (attached at the center of bottom of can) and strike the edge of can gently by finger. Then I use audacity software to process sound and draw spectrum of frequencies. Here one if peaks is at 52Hz, there are also peaks at lower and higher frequencies like 212 Hz (the biggest peak).

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

That's pretty incredible Gordon. Thanks for sharing it.

A little exercise of imagination for you

If you join the two vertical ends of the table and roll it into a Donut by joining the two horizontal other ends you get a Rodin Coil:

[daemonbart]

Meter!

Good work!

You need more water and longer time to get reading on kWh scale.

Also how many decimals for kWh? If one decimal, first reading will be 100 Wh or 0.1 kWh, if two decimals, first reading will be 10 Wh.

If only heating 1 litre, just take amps * voltage = X, then you take X * time in seconds (on time) = consumed power in Ws (watt seconds).
Ws / 60 = Wm (Watt minuts) and Wm / 60 for Wh (Watt hours)

Ex: 8 amps and 110 volts for 180 seconds = 8*110 = 880W , 880 * 180 = 158 400 Ws , 158 400 / 60 = 2640 Wm , 2640 / 60 = 44 Wh or 0.044 kWh

Heating 1 litre of water from 20 deg C to 100 deg C = 80 "litre degrees", This will consume with usual heater 1,16 Wh * 80 = 92,8 Wh,
in real we dont reach optimal value 1,16 Wh / "litre degree" so calculate with 1,3 Wh instead.

So my ex gives us 80*1,3 = 104 Wh or 0,104 kWh

This is how you can measure if your device is OU

Kind rgds D

So I got this power consumption meter, I need some tips how to measure properly.

I heated 1 liter again, but not sure how to read the power consumption.

During operating I got this:

Start temp 16 Celsius
Start Amp 5.5

During testing amp draw up to almost 10

At boiling amp draw around 7 amps

But why does my KwH stay at zero? (0,0) ?

Why does these things do not come with a proper manual ?


Anyone?

[Cherryman]

How you did that ? Details ?

It is almost the same setup as in the two previous videos, I used another outside tube for this one, a smaller gap, and thinner material.

The amp draw is high, this one blew my fuse once.

The instant bubbling occurs when the water is already heated, and just flip the switch.


@all:

Just tried a 10 liter test,

start temp: 15 celsius
End Temp 98 celsius
Time: 17 minutes
Power use according to meter: 0,5 KwH

Edit:

@DB

Tnx! I have one digit after the comma, I got a reading 0f 0,5 after 17 minutes. I did not see less as 0,5 , so I have to find out the resolution as well, to see if 0,5 is an accurate reading or the minimal reading.

Off tho the shop now to find a better temp measurement apparatus.

[daemonbart]

Blending water?

Nice

Did you stirr water before you measured ending temp?

Kind rgds D

It is almost the same setup as in the two previous videos, I used another outside tube for this one, a smaller gap, and thinner material.

The amp draw is high, this one blew my fuse once.

The instant bubbling occurs when the water is already heated, and just flip the switch.


@all:

Just tried a 10 liter test,

start temp: 15 celsius
End Temp 98 celsius
Time: 17 minutes
Power use according to meter: 0,5 KwH

[Cherryman]

Nice

Did you stirr water before you measured ending temp?

Kind rgds D

Nope, I did time untill visual boiling, I'going to get a new temp meter this afternoon.

Still fighting with the math, but I will get there, I'm making an excel sheat to get a better understanding.

So I'm still in the dark, but your thumb up gives me a good motivation to figure it out !

Peace.

[Cherryman]

Math

Ok, lets see if I got this straight.

I entered your (example values) and mine in an excel.



Does this looks right?

As you can see I added a few green dots, do I put there the kWh reading from the Watts meter? Or if not available the: Average of (V x A) ?

The numbers are in red now, at row 9 I added the average VxA amount , At row 10 I just entered the reading from the power consumption meter (kWh)

[daemonbart]

Quick check!

Hello,

just did a quick check and it looks fine!

Now you can work with different setups, comparing with ourselfs is the only way right now i think?

Mixing water in container for better temp reading would give less good results I am afraid, keep the spirit anyway, experimenting is one key to getting better
results!

Kind rgds D

Ok, lets see if I got this straight.

I entered your (example values) and mine in an excel.



Does this looks right?

As you can see I added a few green dots, do I put there the kWh reading from the Watts meter? Or if not available the: Average of (V x A) ?

The numbers are in red now, at row 9 I added the average VxA amount , At row 10 I just entered the reading from the power consumption meter (kWh)