Tesla's Free Energy Motor

[elias]

Hi

Recently Farmhand posted a book on the Muller Replication Thread, as I read it I found out that Tesla has a design for a free energy motor:



In the last page he states this:

Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic ?
If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic and this we know it
is, for certain then it is a mere question of time when men will
succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of
nature. Of all, living or dead, Crookes came nearest to doing it.
His radiometer will turn in the light of day and in the darkness
of the night; it will turn everywhere where there is heat, and
heat is everywhere. But, unfortunately, this beautiful little
machine, while it goes down to posterity as the most interesting,
must likewise be put on record as the most inefficient machine
ever invented !

Apparently this motor works with only one wire, from the generator of high frequency high voltage that is attached to one end of a coil, the other end of the coil is attached to a metal sheet. A copper disc near the Iron core which can freely rotate is set into motion.

Elias

Reference:
The inventions, researches and writings of Nikola Tesla, with special reference to his work in polyphase currents and high potential lighting : Martin, Thomas Commerford, 1856-1924 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

[boguslaw]

Tesla mention also a way to convert high voltage high freuqnecy like those from magnifying transmitter into heavy current Great finding.

In one of Kapanadze devices videos thee is seen coil which seems like Tesla described combined from two : primary and secondary mixed.

[Farmhand]

Hi Guys, Here's a video of an experiment with two aluminium plates a capacitor and a FWBR to light an LED, there's a 270 ohm resistor there too.. Interesting it will even light without the plates.
Also at the end is a 1.2 watt filament bulb lighting from the receiver coil wired with two wire's but with energy transmitted over one wire.

Remote source experiment.wmv - YouTube

If I could find a steel disc I could try that 1 wire motor experiment.

[boguslaw]

Hi Guys, Here's a video of an experiment with two aluminium plates a capacitor and a FWBR to light an LED, there's a 270 ohm resistor there too.. Interesting it will even light without the plates.
Also at the end is a 1.2 watt filament bulb lighting from the receiver coil wired with two wire's but with energy transmitted over one wire.

Remote source experiment.wmv - YouTube

If I could find a steel disc I could try that 1 wire motor experiment.

I wonder if plate from old hdd drive can be useful ?

[nueview]

ihave a book that talks about this motor in it but does not contain this information and i would like to know the book title author and publisher if you could give me this information it would be greatly appreciated.
Martin

[elias]

ihave a book that talks about this motor in it but does not contain this information and i would like to know the book title author and publisher if you could give me this information it would be greatly appreciated.
Martin

Sorry I should have mentioned the book, I will edit the main post, thanks:
The inventions, researches and writings of Nikola Tesla, with special reference to his work in polyphase currents and high potential lighting : Martin, Thomas Commerford, 1856-1924 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

[MonsieurM]

A copper disc near the Iron core which can freely rotate is set into motion.

from: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post158750

just pointing out some findings

Inspired by the pioneering work of Dr. Kervran, Dr. George Ohsawa sought to transmute sodium into potassium in vitro. The method revealed itself to him in a symbolic dream. Thus inspired, Dr. Ohsawa and Michio Kushi, et al., constructed an experimental electric discharge tube with copper (Yin) and iron (Yang) electrodes (and the egg is created )

Yin and Yang in Chinese Mythology
The Pangu* legend
In the beginning there was nothing in the universe except a formless chaos. The chaos began to coalesce into a cosmic egg for eighteen thousand years. Within it, the perfectly opposed principles of yin and yang became balanced and Pangu, emerged from the egg.

[Farmhand]

Ok it's a copper disc. In his poly phase experiments he uses a steel disc. Copper disc is no easier for me. Aluminium I can do with some effort. Hmmm.

I think I need to invest in some different metal plates for experimenting.

I've got a couple of 8 mm aluminium discs about 100 mm diameter. A much smaller copper one should work better.

Cheers

[nueview]

thank you Elias
for the dpf address
martin

[Joit]

I wonder if plate from old hdd drive can be useful ?

Hdd drives are made from Alloy with some more or less valuable Stuff on it.
Some Cup coaster are made from Stainless Steel.

[nueview]

i have reread the article above several times and the book i have down loaded for further reading as well. thank you for the link Elias.

i have built a few electrostatic motors and the way tesla is talking in this article is as if he wants not to talk about any magnetic action but rather the charge action.

if one rotates a disc fully encompassed in a magnetic field there is a current from the center axle to the outer rim as with the homopolar generators. but if the field is only over a say 20% of the disc surface there becomes tremendous drag and with proper thickness of the disc can also come tremendous heating as well even with small magnetic field density upon the area of field action.

this article has lead me to rethink some older experiments i have done one was a 555 timer driving a resistor load with a cap coil and diode in paralell with the cap which was in series with the coil the circuit would electrostatically charge up as there was no ground connection and it would run cooler very noticable at the resistor even making it feel cold to the touch. the open end of the coil was connected to a simple wire in the air not set to any frequency or tuned for the circuit in any way.

what i am wondering is if the resistor was replaced with a simple tank circuit and the second coil cap and diode arrangement were used would this incoming charge inherently know which way to go in the resonant tank and would it overcome any losses within the tank circuit operation as is being sugested about in the article by tesla?

any thoughts here would be appreciated.
Martin

[nueview]

i have been working on some of my motor projects and watched a few new you tubes by gotoluc and woopyjump and i had a real epiphany about the fields actions both magnetic and electric so will hope i make some headway so i can post something new.
i have been trying to explain it but classic electronics and terms do not do it justice.
heres a hint.

Test of possible Delayed Lenz Effect test 2 - YouTube

Martin

[Farmhand]

i have been working on some of my motor projects and watched a few new you tubes by gotoluc and woopyjump and i had a real epiphany about the fields actions both magnetic and electric so will hope i make some headway so i can post something new.
i have been trying to explain it but classic electronics and terms do not do it justice.
heres a hint.

Test of possible Delayed Lenz Effect test 2 - YouTube

Martin

Hi nueview, Nice video, Does the primary measure 11 mH ? I don't have a dual channel
scope I really need one.

I think if he scopes the primary current and secondary voltage while running
the load he can adjust for best output. I think this is effects of resonance.

My MOT measures 29 mH for the primary. 240 volt one.

It's funny everyone wants less current with high frequency, when I want more
current in, because with my Tesla coils I have about 8 or 9 mH and it's
secondary is resonant about 450 to 480 Khz depending. But I adjust my
primary circuit capacitance and inductance to match that so the voltage out
of the secondary is maximum.

When the voltage out of the secondary is maximum so is the current into the
primary. So I'm adjusting for the most current I can get into the primary.

The trick for me is to get as much current into the primary as i can to keep
the secondary voltage up under load. When the secondary voltage goes down
so does the current in the primary.

I think this is mainly what people are seeing with this drop of input current
with a load. It's bad in my opinion.

If the primary current gets to zero everything will stop. Naturally. Zero input
zero output.

I think when the current is at it's lowest it is tuned as far out of resonance as
possible and the secondary voltage will probably show that by being as low as
possible.

It kinda depends on the secondary resonant frequency too.

Using a big transformer at very low power might show some unusual results.
I don't get it, what is the point to shorting the secondary of a transformer to get lower input ?

If the overall goal is to run loads then current needs to flow in the primary
and if there is a resonant tank it should be more efficient.

The title of this thread is a little bit misleading, The coil that is running to make the
motor work is using a lot of energy. There's also losses in the core and motor.
And the motor can't work without the coil, no coil input no motor rotation.

Anyway the thing is there is a certain overhead or running cost which is the
Tesla coil, and I'm pretty sure when it's tuned it's tuned to get good current
into the primary circuit so the secondary voltage is high.

Cheers

[nueview]

hi farmhand
let me see if i can do a poor job of explaining what i am thinking.
the last few weeks i have been looking for a different answer because it is obvious to me that when Steven hawking's says the electron does not exist and most of electronics is taught around the electron then there is a real problem.
there was a you tube about a man causing sound to vibrate silicon on oil as beads and how they acted as particles and waves both at the same time.
according to physics you need a charge on a particle to accelerate it and the magnetic can only govern its flow direction not its speed .
the faster the particle the more field magnetic is required to influence its path. so what is the magnetic? because if i have a permanent magnet i do not trade the strength of the magnet for a change of field actions.
however i can easily change a charge action for value at any time.

now if i look at a car alternator or any field activated generator with a wire wound field if i align the poles to some field coil and i excite the field it generates a current in the field but if i apply a steady current and rotate the field poles i can generate a much larger current than the field applied. if this were not so we would be in big trouble for all the worlds power production.
so a clue is gained here about any collapsing field inducing a higher current.

now looking at the video i posted resonance seems to be a very broad term. to have a resonant action can occur at many frequencies with any given coil either by magnetic field action or charge flow volume as with low and high Q for coils. but it is when a certain ratio is achieved that the real magic seems to occur we get a gain in magnetic field and charge and voltage.
if the volume of charge is to small the charge leads if to big a reservoir the current flows after the magnetic rise is done so there is field carry over for back emf bad term but will use it for now.

the whole electrical power problem seems to center around magnetic containment of charge flow actionfrom point to point charge locations.
Martin

[Farmhand]

Hi nueview,

Yes resonance is a broad term it covers a lot of things not electrical as well
but it is real and is a major influence in a lot of things. Everything really.

What I mean by resonant is that the frequency is matched to the LC of the coil
for the greatest amplitude of voltage.

I don't get too technical if I can help it. All the theory is good I have no
problem with it but applying the theory is not as easy as it sounds. And
ascribing a theory to an effect is full of assumptions.

There is really only one resonant frequency for a coil with a certain L/C
relationship and it's harmonics. That's for each coil "winding". Where the voltage
rises to the highest at the correct frequency.

If resonant frequency of the primary found , that is only half the equasion the
resonant frequency of the primary should match the resonant frequency of
the secondary under load for maximum output voltage, the higher the voltage
the more current it can cause through a certain resistance (load).

I can't comment on the technical stuff much I'm afraid, but I can see what is
efficient and what isn't and what can be scaled up and what can't.

It's difficult to explain my thoughts.

But I want to say I'm not trying to put anything down, just giving my opinion.
I learn from all the video's too they are great.

I just don't understand how it could mean free energy to short a coil and see
the rotor speed up or the input current drop.

Making a baseline at an unloaded condition is fine for testing and comparing
things but not for efficiency calculations.

Cheers