Tesla's Free Energy Motor

[Farmhand]

I was reading further in the book linked above in the first post. Seeking
inspiration for a motor generator design, when I remembered near the end was
a Unipolar Generator.

Here is the patent- Dynamo Electric Machine

This is a drawing from the book.


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And this is my first concept drawing, but I see problems already. EDIT: I think
the way I depicted the magnets in the little sketch in the top left corner of
this picture is wrong, not sure yet exactly the best best way.


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In Tesla's one he used electromagnets powered from the currents produced
"Self Exciting" itself. These magnets covered the entire disc.

Also using two discs and with oppositely configured magnetic fields on them,
and also with the two outer edges of the discs electrically joined, when
turned in the same direction the two opposing signs of current can be taken
from each axle or disc center. Doing so negates the need for brushes on the
outer rim, which is a problem because of the increased velocity of the disc
edge. Tesla used flanges on the discs to make it better for a conductive belt
to run on.

Obviously this is a good design for a Generator like this. Hard to beat.

These things make low voltage high current, which is good because I only
need 20 volts to charge batteries.

I think I'll do more research and think seriously about building one of these
rather than a regular motor generator. If anything can self run I think one of
these puppies will.

I Think these are dual opposing Faraday disc's. Kinda.

EDIT: Oh I forgot to say if the discs are meshed or otherwise edge connected
electrically and counter rotating with the magnetic fields configured the same
way on each disc the same result should occur. As Nikola states, in there
somewhere I think.

And the Unipolar Generator is on Page 465 Chapter XLI (41) of the book linked
in the first post and below.

The Inventions Researches and Writings of Nikola Tesla

Cheers

[elias]

The title of this thread is a little bit misleading, The coil that is running to make the
motor work is using a lot of energy. There's also losses in the core and motor.
And the motor can't work without the coil, no coil input no motor rotation.

The coil is only connected to the generator by one wire only so no current, therefore no power consumption.

[Farmhand]

The coil is only connected to the generator by one wire only so no current, therefore no power consumption.

No unfortunately that is a general misconception with one wire power in my
opinion. Easy to make and this is only my opinion I won't force it on anyone.

But there is current from the Tesla coil to the plate through the motor coil
and some could also go back, the plate has capacity and is charged through
the motor coil with current, then maybe it discharges back through the coil,
but for it to charge again on the next cycle it must first discharge, probably
at the half cycle.

But there is HF high potential currents. As far as I can tell. Something like the
sketch below I think, impossible for me to be sure. But Tesla explains it just
above the diagram in the book, it's above there too. He says " a current
passes through the coil and the copper disc is set in motion". The
experimenters body can replace the plate after the motor coil.



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Cheers

[Farmhand]

IF the plate in the wireless drawing of mine above is moved too close to the
Tesla coil then it will draw energy directly from the field around the Terminal,
and affects resonance, but if far enough away it only gets the lost disturbance
(hertz waves) I think which is very little if the terminal is good for the voltage it
has on it. Even still the energy to make the disturbance is only free if it is free
to begin with. Which is entirely possible.

[Farmhand]

Elias, I think the motor you linked and the unipolar generator are a very similar thing.

Anyway the one wire and the wireless method above are both a resonant
action I think, with the wireless method with the two plates, the energy
bounces back and forth between the plates (I think) and is topped up by the
Tesla coil.

They are both really one wire energy transmission, except one is connected
to the Tesla coil the other not. The thing is the currents go back and forth
through the load with only one wire to the source required for the one wire
method or none for the wireless method which is really a wireless, one wire
method..

However this is slightly different from true wireless energy transmission which
actually requires still one conductor, The Earth.

In the drawing of mine above with the wireless sketches think of the top one (sketch)
as the two plates being the two elevated capacitance's and the wire from
each one to the capacitor as the two wireless transmission coils and the
capacitor itself in the middle as the Earth (Globe) that's a wireless
transmission system, when the current goes through the opposite coil
(receiver) to get to the Terminal capacitance to charge it, current is induced
in the output coil wound around it, which can power a load with two wires.

EDIT: and I should mention that energy is "radiated" from the load and lost as
heat and light and stuff and power is consumed, but the actual losses would
be fairly small in the system between the plates, not counting the energizing
circuit or the primary circuit of the Tesla coil transmitter being the energizing
circuit. In the primary of the Tesla coil transmitter being the pre-transmission
circuit there are losses as well.

Cheers

[nueview]

yup i think we all have the same problem and that is getting from potential to power.
so having potential really does us no good without haveing the magnetic to deliver the power and it is looking like time is the function.
any coil with an LC function needs to accumulate charge to gain power stored as a magnetic function.
a field generated within a coil can have a great resistance to any external field action. including hysterisous losses. in such a case the energy is stored as a magnetic function.
how did something so simple get so complicated so fast i need to draw this out for myself i guess before i try to explain it.
Martin

[Farmhand]

yup i think we all have the same problem and that is getting from potential to power.
so having potential really does us no good without haveing the magnetic to deliver the power and it is looking like time is the function.
any coil with an LC function needs to accumulate charge to gain power stored as a magnetic function.
a field generated within a coil can have a great resistance to any external field action. including hysterisous losses. in such a case the energy is stored as a magnetic function.
how did something so simple get so complicated so fast i need to draw this out for myself i guess before i try to explain it.
Martin

Yes it is very complicated, when the complex details of the magnetic fields come into it I am completely lost. I'm not sure if the magnet on each side of the unipolar generator disc (each side of one disc) should go the same way or
like N-N or opposite like N-S.

I'm thinking it should be N-N all North facing into one disc from each side of the disc and S-S all south facing into each side of the other disc.

Any thoughts on that one point, or others ?

Cheers

[Farmhand]

This is what I mean about the energy bouncing around, who can really tell
what is going where and when,

These scope shots are from the primary capacitor of my Tesla coil
transmitter, it's a parallel capacitor with a charging inductor before it the cap
is only small so power is low and it is supplied from a 12 volt battery.
But the voltages developed in the primary capacitor are impressive.

From what I can tell the voltage in the primary capacitor fluctuates a fair bit
even between cycles, I hesitate to try to analyze the waveform with words.

This is basically the circuit but I don't use 2 batteries only one and the
capacitors are variable now and the ground connection is a wire.


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This is with a de-Q-ing diode to stop energy returning to the battery. This
was too radical for me.



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And this is without a de-Q-ing diode which is how i use it. To me it looks like
there is one too many humps in the wave. So I dunno where it
comes from.



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The conclusion I came to was that when the current comes back from the
receiver coil it induces current in the primary of the transmitter as well. So
there is the current from the switch closing to charge the primary and the
charging inductor then the field collapse of the charging inductor then the
return induced current, maybe that explains the three humps. yippee.

[nueview]

hi farmhand
form the few homo-polar generators i have built in the past the magnets go N-S with the disc in between.
when i was making these generators i ran into something Tesla said about not letting the rim area of the disc exceed the shaft area and this is very easy to do my first one did in fact exceed the shaft cross section area my second was a bit better right at 1:1 the second one seemed to have better voltage output .5 volt lots of amps but the speed bothered me for the power out.

now for the big thought about the Tesla coils i looked over your schematic and i see a few things that go for what i was trying to explain that could be the reason for what is happening in the scope shot you showed.
i think you are on the right track with you explanation of the feed back to the primary but the problem looks to be in the second receiving circuit if what i am thinking is correct so let me lay out what i am thinking and you may want to test it and we could both have an answer.

i do not want to use electrons in my description is it would fog what i am trying to get across to you. so let me begin the wave energy striking the main coil has a volume and i think it has more than the frequency that the secondary coil tank circuit wants to receive so any excess is passed on to the bridge rectifier and the second capacitor this energy is within the main coil and passed to the tank circuit that has a specific volume assigned to it by the capacitor and when it is full it begins to cycle back adding a fluctuation to the main coil but the main coil is still inducing a field in the direction of the second cap and then when it wants to return it is still running greater than the tank circuit on the circuit of the receiving coil.

now if the capacitor were put in series with the secondary coil to the bridge rectifier there would be only one oscillation cycle due to the capacitor filling and discharging. the problem i see with this arrangement is the second cap charging so the load would have to match the coil energy volume to be consumed each cycle perhaps at a mid point value for the capacitor voltage value.

it is not that what i am thinking is so hard to use as you can see from what i just applied it to it is just not easy to always explain it works best when there is some example to work from.
Martin

[Farmhand]

The coil is only connected to the generator by one wire only so no current, therefore no power consumption.

You Know, I think Elias is right, he should have set me straight.

Without a voltage there is no power. Thank you very much for pointing that out to me. I only just realized the ramifications of what you said.

So if I consider my receiver coil as a device then it is excited by only one wire.

I can't measure any power into the receiver transformer. But I can measure it
has output power.

I can see there is AC current through the one wire, but if I use power from
the output coil of the receiver it reduces the power required to run the
transmitter.

So it could be considered as.
Input power to transmitter = 9.6 watts
Input power to receiver = 0
Output power of receiver = 1.7 watts
When applying the load the input power of the supply transformer reduced by 2.5 watts.

It can do better than that too.

So if the transmitter is just considered as a AC power supply like the socket
and the receiver as the device to connect to the supply then what does that
mean ?

Myself I think all the power consumed in all the devices used needs to be
considered.

If the wall supply is used half the work is already done to provide a AC power
source. We must pay to have that power source to use because it costs power just to have it available.

Anyway my coil is running from solar furnished energy.

I think when using the grid power everything after the wall socket is considered as input. It has to be. Surely.

Thanks Elias again for pointing that one wire thing out to me.
Now I understand what you were saying, please accept my apology.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Actually Elias should have said there is no voltage, because there is AC current
but I can't see any way to measure the voltage on a single wire.

Although it doesn't make a lot of sense, there must be a way to measure the
power into the receiver coil, surely. Somehow. I'm open for suggestions on that.

I can't accept there is no way, there must be a way.

Cheers

[elias]

Actually Elias should have said there is no voltage, because there is AC current
but I can't see any way to measure the voltage on a single wire.

Although it doesn't make a lot of sense, there must be a way to measure the
power into the receiver coil, surely. Somehow. I'm open for suggestions on that.

I can't accept there is no way, there must be a way.

Cheers

Hi

High frequency and High voltage is the secret to this machine if it works. Normal current cannot flow from one wire, it requires a closed loop. If it flows it must be very small, because of the high impedance of that plate. Very tiny. But even this tiny current does not attribute to any significant power because the phase shift of current and voltage must be so high due to high frequency and very close to 90 degrees, therefore according the conventional theory there is no real power consumed in this system.

The other significant question arises: How does that disc rotate, what drives it. My theory is this: The variable magnetic field of that coil, induces eddy currents on the lower part of that disc and drags it and starts rotating it. Only experimentation will tell.

Remember that when Tesla talks about high frequency high voltage he means, frequencies excess than 1MHz! and Voltages higher that 100KV, Has anyone experimented with such things? It is the unknown for me! You need to build a Tesla coil, and an appropriate driver circuit.

Elias