Neat little Motor Generator

[Farmhand]

A couple of points I'd like to clear up for the sake of no misunderstandings,
I have a lot of respect for John Bedini, he has shown us lots of stuff.

Now not necessarily talking about John from here on but inventors and such in
general.
I think for anyone involved in a business to be promoting a product as OU would
be economic suicide. Especially if the business is a partnership or co-op.

It would be impossible to get a patent for a device that is more efficient than
70-80% anyway so selling a product without patent is probably not a good
business idea either, tooling up a plant for an non patented product could be
a waste of money.

I don't see how it would be possible to patent a device that is over 100%
efficient or promote and sell a device as over 100% efficient without a patent
on it.

So there really is no point to people thinking they will have their idea stolen
and patented or to hold out on info on an over 100% efficient device for the
purpose patenting it because it won't happen as far as I can tell. Logically

Cheers

[Shadesz]

So there really is no point to people thinking they will have their idea stolen and patented or to hold out on info on an over 100% efficient device for the purpose patenting it because it won't happen as far as I can tell. Logically

Cheers

Agreed. IMO there are only two logical motives that would cause an ou (sorry, I use the term because it is easy) experimenter to would withhold their findings is...

1) fear of corporate, social, and political pressure

2) a desire to develop the unit thoroughly so a 'dramatic world release' can be achieved which would give them great recognition

Ironically these two motives stem from exactly opposite things!

[Jetijs]

about NST's, you must understand, that the output current shown on the NTS label is a short circuit current and if you short the output, the voltage drops near zero, but the current will still be as on the label. So this is just one big misunderstanding IMHO.

[MonsieurM]

I think for anyone involved in a business to be promoting a product as OU would
be economic suicide. Especially if the business is a partnership or co-op.


Cheers

reminds me of the famous example used in business...Why no one ever created a shaving blade that never goes dull ...not economical

the same applies for an "OU" set up; once the math behind it is figured out...

Any "OU" device is bound to remain an open source if one wants to keep it alive or remain in the shadows of history

besides Tesla...Look at all these great men you are following in their their footsteps trying to revive their discoveries and what happened to them...

Free Energy Device is meant to be Free as well (fractal construct )

[Farmhand]

about NST's, you must understand, that the output current shown on the NTS label is a short circuit current and if you short the output, the voltage drops near zero, but the current will still be as on the label. So this is just one big misunderstanding IMHO.

Ok guys, I think I can understand that. Things that make sense are easy to
understand. Very misleading labeling in my opinion though. Has anyone ever
tested one ? Out of curiosity.

ewizard, I see you're point and I can only say I hope it never happens again.

I've spent money on long term projects that looked like the real deal too at
first, but after building testing and then discovering a few discrepancies here
and there I realized maybe it was time to move in a slightly different direction
with my own initiative for more experimenting. I did learn a lot in the process I
think. But I also wasted a lot of time I would not have otherwise wasted.

Rest assured I know the feeling.

Along the way I think I've discovered a lot of "tricks" used by people for
different reasons.

I think a lot of Tesla Tech gets "re-invented", which is a two sided coin, in
one way it gets it back out there, kinda, but in another way it hides the real
source of inspiration or info from others.

I'm even thinking about how I will build my own Motor generator setup for
experimenting. But the way I want to do it will mean an expensive machined
rotor. And I can't tell if it would even work. I'll ask somewhere when I get
to what I think might be functional.

Interesting times

Cheers

[quantumuppercut]

You guys swings your belief too easily.

For the guys who think it's fake, it's done, game over, they can go home... they've won. For those who believed it was genuine, you simply bypass your belief without a fight? Did you even give your instinct a fair trail? Yourself must be asking: how you set it up so neat? where do you find those little 12 volts battery? How did you make it go down at 1100 and go up at +1100? If you're not satisfy with the answers, you don't have to take Mark's words. If you're a court judge and someone said they killed that person. Would you simply take his words and sentence him? I'm not saying you should interrogate Mark, I'm just saying you should give yourself some peace.

[hello_all]

man is not ready for self runner - simply said.. so keep the circuits in safe till the time comes ...

[John_K]

You guys swings your belief too easily.

For the guys who think it's fake, it's done, game over, they can go home... they've won. For those who believed it was genuine, you simply bypass your belief without a fight? Did you even give your instinct a fair trail? Yourself must be asking: how you set it up so neat? where do you find those little 12 volts battery? How did you make it go down at 1100 and go up at +1100? If you're not satisfy with the answers, you don't have to take Mark's words. If you're a court judge and someone said they killed that person. Would you simply take his words and sentence him? I'm not saying you should interrogate Mark, I'm just saying you should give yourself some peace.

This is why I asked Mark the questions in my last post. I can see he is reading the posts (or leaving the thread open on his PC). Whether he has the desire to answer them is up to him.

If not, I'm not losing any sleep - but any respect I had for him will be gone. I expect that most people won't take him too seriously from this point either.


John K.

[Mark]

You guys swings your belief too easily.

For the guys who think it's fake, it's done, game over, they can go home... they've won. For those who believed it was genuine, you simply bypass your belief without a fight? Did you even give your instinct a fair trail? Yourself must be asking: how you set it up so neat? where do you find those little 12 volts battery? How did you make it go down at 1100 and go up at +1100? If you're not satisfy with the answers, you don't have to take Mark's words. If you're a court judge and someone said they killed that person. Would you simply take his words and sentence him? I'm not saying you should interrogate Mark, I'm just saying you should give yourself some peace.

The batteries can be bought a radio shack, there very small 12 volt batteries, I think I paid about $7.00 for a pack off 2. There are 3 located in the upper left side coil.

The top coil has the circuitry and small cap inside the coil. The transistor is a MPS A06 I think I have a 1000 ohm resistor on the base, a 1n4007 on the collector hooked to a cap out of a disposable camera.

The led is one I removed out of a Lights of America bulb it lights up at around 2.5 volts.

The right side upper coil is the trigger coil with no core and the bottom coil is the drive coil with welding rods for the core. Both single wire coils.

The coils with the batteries and the circuitry were made using a plastic tiolet paper holder cut down to size with a piece of wire wraped around the outside of it so it looks like a coil.

The motor runs on 20ma and 10-12 volts at 3000 rpm. When it first starts to excelerate at 1150 rpm it uses 7-8 ma. The motor can run on 4 volts and 10ma up to around 2000 rpm's or so.

The bottom run coil is also advanced a little to help give it a little bit of speed. The magnets on top of the coils serve no purpose.

Instead of the led hooked to the cap I have charged batteries with it but only ones with a lower voltage, I could not charge my 12 volt 5.0 AH batteries with it.

Thats about everything I can think of. Puzzle solved!

[minoly]

Good answer

The batteries can be bought a radio shack, there very small 12 volt batteries, I think I paid about $7.00 for a pack off 2. There are 3 located in the upper left side coil.

The top coil has the circuitry and small cap inside the coil. The transistor is a MPS A06 I think I have a 1000 ohm resistor on the base, a 1n4007 on the collector hooked to a cap out of a disposable camera.

The led is one I removed out of a Lights of America bulb it lights up at around 2.5 volts.

The right side upper coil is the trigger coil with no core and the bottom coil is the drive coil with welding rods for the core. Both single wire coils.

The coils with the batteries and the circuitry were made using a plastic tiolet paper holder cut down to size with a piece of wire wraped around the outside of it so it looks like a coil.

The motor runs on 20ma and 10-12 volts at 3000 rpm. When it first starts to excelerate at 1150 rpm it uses 7-8 ma. The motor can run on 4 volts and 10ma up to around 2000 rpm's or so.

The bottom run coil is also advanced a little to help give it a little bit of speed. The magnets on top of the coils serve no purpose.

Instead of the led hooked to the cap I have charged batteries with it but only ones with a lower voltage, I could not charge my 12 volt 5.0 AH batteries with it.

Thats about everything I can think of. Puzzle solved!

Thanks for not dragging that out too much, seriously, I appreciate it.
anyone... for future puzzles, it might be nice to post as a puzzle
i.e.
this is not OU please solve the puzzle how I faked it...
something like that might be much easier to stomach.
thanks and good night
Patrick

[quantumuppercut]

I often think it's insane to think something is impossible.

[Farmhand]

You guys swings your belief too easily.

For the guys who think it's fake, it's done, game over, they can go home... they've won. For those who believed it was genuine, you simply bypass your belief without a fight? Did you even give your instinct a fair trail? Yourself must be asking: how you set it up so neat? where do you find those little 12 volts battery? How did you make it go down at 1100 and go up at +1100? If you're not satisfy with the answers, you don't have to take Mark's words. If you're a court judge and someone said they killed that person. Would you simply take his words and sentence him? I'm not saying you should interrogate Mark, I'm just saying you should give yourself some peace.

The pendulum swings both ways though. We must also ask ourselves how it
could work like that, romero's setup was different and I'm not saying that was
faked he did. As far as a being a judge and a killing goes, if I believed the guy
did it, I would believe his confession, but I would still weigh up the evidence
without bias incase he was threatened to take the rap or something.

I don't agree that it is insane to think anything is impossible, I can think of
numerous things that are definitely impossible. I think it would be more insane
to think that anything is possible, sanity itself is debatable and relative.

I guess it could work with no switches or cap but it would be difficult to
achieve.

I believe Mark and I believe his motives were noble, I probably wouldn't have
done it the way he did. But I don't think he would deny it if it was a self
runner. As far as I'm concerned he has done us all a favor, and I thank him.

In all reality if he really wanted to fool everyone he would have shown a
circuit, even if it was a dummy circuit.

To all, Moral of the story is it's OK to get excited and it's OK to ask questions
it's also OK to start replicating immediately it just depends on how much proof
a person needs.

I'm still curious. How would one go about replicating the setup in Marks video
without any further info ? Trial and error ? If someone wants to go ahead and
do it I would be happy to watch the video.

After this I don't think we can have too many excuses for being hoodwinked.

If it looks too good to be true it probably is and requires some kind of evidence.

I wonder what the MIB would do if they turned up to threaten an inventor and
confiscate his device only to find out it is a trick and runs on batteries.
Or can they tell the real ones from the fakes ? Wouldn't things like this throw
them off if they were really suppressing backyard inventors ?

I have a theory about all the suppression stories, I may make a thread about it one day.

I think most problems start for a good device at the patent office. The fools
go straight to them with secrets.

Not very smart.

Cheers

[T-1000]

The batteries can be bought a radio shack, there very small 12 volt batteries, I think I paid about $7.00 for a pack off 2. There are 3 located in the upper left side coil.

And now to serious stuff:
You have 3 coils, grab one generating most voltage ant attach to 10 000uF cap?
While spinning rotor fast enough surely you will charge cap up for Bedini SSG
Another tip: do research on generators what got 1 low impedance coil and 1 high impedance coil (thin wire on top of first coil) and speed-up effect on NASA research 3 years ago:

NASA Video Part 1 - Regenerative Acceleration Explanation - YouTube
NASA Video Part 2 - Regenerative Acceleration Video - YouTube
NASA Video Part 3 - Minimum No Load Speed - YouTube

So, beginning with toy you might end up with something else..

Good luck!

[garrypm]

It would seem that Axis is about to upscale -


MOV01585 - YouTube

Garry

[Joit]

Not sure what Axis is up to.

Mark could post a Comment on his Video, when he is serious about the Batteries.