Lens's Law what is it ?

[Joit]

Only thing i did learn at this Lession now is, how you do a easy Phaseshift.
I was wondering if it works with AC too, but not that good, only with a Capacitor.
Circuit Simulator Applet
Where the Size from the Capacitor depends, how bright the Light will go on and when. Also the Induction from the Coils is some critical, because a too big Coils will not work. At all, in this Simulation.
Just not sure, how he use Capacitors there, poled or unpoled, but it seems like it does no matter for him. I think, the Correction is in the Code from the Page.

But mainly it should be easy to initiate a Phaseshift by connecting a Coil before, where you can vary the windings with some loose Wire, to adjust the Degrees of it.
Reminds me on the adjustable RF Coils, what you drag appart or move together.

[Farmhand]

Nice one Rod, I was waiting for the piccy, but I can't wait any longer. Good work.
It's funny how when we actually do the experiment we can learn a lot more or
see a lot more than if we just watch it being done.

I hope to be able to perform the one wire motor experiment soon. I still don't
have a copper disc or flat copper to make one, so I'll try aluminium. It might work. I'll have to cut a disc.

I guess the currents in the closed coils of an induction motor armature are
actually eddy currents in a way. Which I think is how the induction motor
works except that the eddy currents cause the magnetization of the
armature. The lecturer shows an induction motor which is just a coffee can
" Maxwell house" of course.

Cheers

[toranarod]

Nicely done rod. As I understand it, the levitating is due to the counter current in the ring itself. Which brings up something interesting....

Didn't you say you saw better results with your hollow core magnets? I wonder if they conduct electricity (eddy currets) themselves? If they do, the hollow core could make them act like the aluminum ring.

I was wondering the same thing. The hole in the center is plunged with a screw that holds them in place. The speed under load must be related to the eddy currents in the core materials and in the magnets. How many of you guys have ever tried building a permanent magnet motor? Why is it they don't work? Because the magnetic forces are always in balance. If you could unbalance the magnetic force in some way if only by a small amount it would work. Is this what the speed under load is doing by creating eddy currents?

We know the Phase shift is important in avoiding lens drag. This we have proven.
RPM is also important. Some of you have said already the concept of delaying Lenz is incorrect. It’s not about the time constant applied in a standard way.
The Way things are evolving seem to be the math is correct just the application of the math and where and how it applies is incorrect

[Farmhand]

This is how I see it, Lens "current" can be delayed, but Lens itself the law is all
about the Induced EMF which causes the current which flows to oppose.

The induced EMF cannot be delayed. Only the flow of current can be delayed (impeded).

That's my view. The speed up is probably a combination of reduction in drag
because of the induced impedance restricting all current and some eddy current
in the core.

So far that's how it looks to me. I know I keep kinda changing my mind but
the effect is still the same. The amount of power produced during the speed
up effect using high impedance coils at high frequency will be small.

If you can get the phase shift without the resistance and impedance and core
heat I imagine then that would be good.

See this video at about the 2:25 min mark and see the current draw fun I had. Feel free to laugh.
Now I know what caused it, I think. In the beginning of the video you can see the
energy.

AlternateFarmhand1's Channel - YouTube

Strange effect any thoughts on this video now after our recent activities, I'm
still not sure what to think of it. It was fun.

Cheers

[toranarod]

This is how I see it, Lens "current" can be delayed, but Lens itself the law is all
about the Induced EMF which causes the current which flows to oppose.

The induced EMF cannot be delayed. Only the flow of current can be delayed (impeded).

That's my view. The speed up is probably a combination of reduction in drag
because of the induced impedance restricting all current and some eddy current
in the core.

So far that's how it looks to me. I know I keep kinda changing my mind but
the effect is still the same. The amount of power produced during the speed
up effect using high impedance coils at high frequency will be small.

If you can get the phase shift without the resistance and impedance and core
heat I imagine then that would be good.

See this video at about the 2:25 min mark and see the current draw fun I had. Feel free to laugh.
Now I know what caused it, I think. In the beginning of the video you can see the
energy.

AlternateFarmhand1's Channel - YouTube

Strange effect any thoughts on this video now after our recent activities, I'm
still not sure what to think of it. It was fun.

Cheers

Its a good thing to keep changing your mind, Scientist than cannot change there point of view cannot discover anything.
supper conductors would be the go. but we only have copper so we work with what we got.
what to think? But I am thinking

[toranarod]

This is how I see it, Lens "current" can be delayed, but Lens itself the law is all
about the Induced EMF which causes the current which flows to oppose.

The induced EMF cannot be delayed. Only the flow of current can be delayed (impeded).

That's my view. The speed up is probably a combination of reduction in drag
because of the induced impedance restricting all current and some eddy current
in the core.

So far that's how it looks to me. I know I keep kinda changing my mind but
the effect is still the same. The amount of power produced during the speed
up effect using high impedance coils at high frequency will be small.

If you can get the phase shift without the resistance and impedance and core
heat I imagine then that would be good.

See this video at about the 2:25 min mark and see the current draw fun I had. Feel free to laugh.
Now I know what caused it, I think. In the beginning of the video you can see the
energy.

AlternateFarmhand1's Channel - YouTube

Strange effect any thoughts on this video now after our recent activities, I'm
still not sure what to think of it. It was fun.

Cheers

what to think? But I am thinking

[Farmhand]

To tell the truth I am relieved of some stress that you have replied. Thanks
for that.

When I got into whole FE thing it was to try to help make a difference for the
betterment for our children. I am prepared for some flak for doing what I think is
best for me personally to do. I don't seek to judge or have judged any person.
I only want to move forward and help make the changes we all want or at
least some progress.

I think some of these Laws of the Conservation of Energy are actually double
edged swords for those who wield them. We can use them to our advantage in
my opinion if we are clever. Maybe.

Seems these laws are what most holds back common acceptance of "bringing
in" or "harvesting energy" from the "Aether" or "Ambient Background" or
whatever we want to call it.

Let their own swords cut the hands that hold them.
Or rather. Let the sword cut the hand that wields it. sounds better.

Cheers

[Shadesz]

This is how I see it, Lens "current" can be delayed, but Lens itself the law is all
about the Induced EMF which causes the current which flows to oppose.

The induced EMF cannot be delayed. Only the flow of current can be delayed (impeded).

That's my view. The speed up is probably a combination of reduction in drag
because of the induced impedance restricting all current and some eddy current
in the core.

So far that's how it looks to me. I know I keep kinda changing my mind but
the effect is still the same. The amount of power produced during the speed
up effect using high impedance coils at high frequency will be small.

If you can get the phase shift without the resistance and impedance and core
heat I imagine then that would be good.

That's how I see it. good summary. If it is the case, hopefully we can figure out how to use it to tap the aether. Change is usually progress. I chnage my mind all the time.

See this video at about the 2:25 min mark and see the current draw fun I had. Feel free to laugh.
Now I know what caused it, I think. In the beginning of the video you can see the
energy.

AlternateFarmhand1's Channel - YouTube

Strange effect any thoughts on this video now after our recent activities, I'm
still not sure what to think of it. It was fun.

Cheers

The first time it sparked I jumped out of my chair lol! Interesting video. I wonder why that current drops when you put a load on it.

You know, your video reminded me of one thing that I have wondered about OUG's transformer videos. I wonder if the one way current (form his LEDs) has something to do with the effects he is seeing.

[toranarod]

To tell the truth I am relieved of some stress that you have replied. Thanks
for that.

When I got into whole FE thing it was to try to help make a difference for the
betterment for our children. I am prepared for some flak for doing what I think is
best for me personally to do. I don't seek to judge or have judged any person.
I only want to move forward and help make the changes we all want or at
least some progress.

I think some of these Laws of the Conservation of Energy are actually double
edged swords for those who wield them. We can use them to our advantage in
my opinion if we are clever. Maybe.

Seems these laws are what most holds back common acceptance of "bringing
in" or "harvesting energy" from the "Aether" or "Ambient Background" or
whatever we want to call it.

Let their own swords cut the hands that hold them.
Or rather. Let the sword cut the hand that wields it. sounds better.

Cheers

I know farmhand hard work ahead. we need people to think and work to change the world.

here is a photo of the eddy Lenz's law floating ring.

I did a vid but you tube is on maintenance

[Farmhand]

Now that I think of it I remember an EV Gray video where they levitated two
discs and made one jump up above by repulsion against the already levitating
one, I'll see if I can dig it up. Might be something in there to see now with a
fresh perspective. Who knows.

Anyone remember that video ?

..

E V Gray 1986 Promotional Video Part One - YouTube

Might need to find it, there are other video's too.

[Shadesz]

I was wondering the same thing. The hole in the center is plunged with a screw that holds them in place. The speed under load must be related to the eddy currents in the core materials and in the magnets. How many of you guys have ever tried building a permanent magnet motor? Why is it they don't work? Because the magnetic forces are always in balance. If you could unbalance the magnetic force in some way if only by a small amount it would work. Is this what the speed under load is doing by creating eddy currents?

It could be eddy currents. It would be nice if it was and we figure out how to use that.

One thing I want to note at this time is my belief that pickup coils do not give us a voltage to current phase shift. Can you check that with your scope please Rod? The way I see it currently is the phase shift will only apply to an inductor, which is a coil with an applied voltage, not magnetic field. A simple check would be great!

We know the Phase shift is important in avoiding lens drag. This we have proven.
RPM is also important. Some of you have said already the concept of delaying Lenz is incorrect. It’s not about the time constant applied in a standard way.
The Way things are evolving seem to be the math is correct just the application of the math and where and how it applies is incorrect

Good point. It would be nice if we can define the actual application and specific formula for the math. That way we can design effective pickup circuits at will.

[toranarod]

It could be eddy currents. It would be nice if it was and we figure out how to use that.

One thing I want to note at this time is my belief that pickup coils do not give us a voltage to current phase shift. Can you check that with your scope please Rod? The way I see it currently is the phase shift will only apply to an inductor, which is a coil with an applied voltage, not magnetic field. A simple check would be great!



Good point. It would be nice if we can define the actual application and specific formula for the math. That way we can design effective pickup circuits at will.

this must be partiality responsible for the speed under load. Setting up this condition so it manifest as rotor acceleration is a hole another issue. this what I believe Romero has figured out. He told me he could do it but still didn't understand it enough to explain how.

here is my video

Video 26 - YouTube

[toranarod]

It could be eddy currents. It would be nice if it was and we figure out how to use that.

One thing I want to note at this time is my belief that pickup coils do not give us a voltage to current phase shift. Can you check that with your scope please Rod? The way I see it currently is the phase shift will only apply to an inductor, which is a coil with an applied voltage, not magnetic field. A simple check would be great!



Good point. It would be nice if we can define the actual application and specific formula for the math. That way we can design effective pickup circuits at will.

i will do that now give me a few hours to set up and get data.
how do you suggest i take the measurements? can you do quick drawing.
i like to know how you think it should work. help me see your point of view.

[boguslaw]

A nice demonstration tool for Lenz law Lenz Law & Induction Demo . Easily replicated.

"The closed loop moves away from the approaching magnet because the current being induced in the closed loop generates a magnetic field that is opposing the bar magnets field. That secondary magnetic field circulating around the loop is repelled by the approaching magnetic field. On the other side, the loop is broken, so the moving magnet cannot induce a current around it. "

Yes,this is how I see it too. It's about magnetic field created by induced current. EMF is instantly set up but current need time to flow. Where you have something rotating fast it could be that this current is starting to flow when there is no magnet around coil to opposing because rotor is moved in space.Delayed effect.Alternatively you could use magnetic shield like soft iron to make such delay - here is the magnetization of iron which cause delay in lenz response and look how magnetic poles are no flipped.Also if Lenz law is related to induced current that means it depends on electron spin, like Don Smith said.

[Farmhand]

I guess I could accept that some current could flow by inertia after a delay or
that there could be a delay in magnetization of a core. I can accept that.

But I can't accept that Lens itself is delayed because there would be no delay in
the induced EMF.

Anyway I think we all agree we are all in this together. And it's time some faster
progress is made by us overall as a movement for change.

I am very happy to have not alienated myself too much with my ramblings in the
different threads, I was afraid I would end up with no friends.
But I faced that fear and I think I prevailed by being so determined.

So onward and upward. I have a lot to learn, and an ever decreasing period
to learn it in. Back to it.

P.S. In those Gray video's anyone notice the open spark gap, the battery
switches, the way the sound gave the impression of the building up of stored
energy at high potential, the way the devices affected the camera and that
there seemed to be a lot of recycling of the energy.

And I say energy because he seemed to be able to draw energy from a
battery utilize a lot of energy in the system and return most of it to a
different battery then swap around repeatedly. Or something like that.

The magnetic's is not so interesting to me as the way the energy is utilized
and and returned to the batteries while as little as possible is dissipated
unnecessarily.

Cheers