My economic and energy solution

[Shadesz]

Ok guys, I don't want to cloud other threads so I will start my own. In this thread I plan to discuss and document what I believe is a real solution to the current financial crisis.

I believe this system will make the world actually capable of tolerating free energy. Hopefully they wont just tolerate it, they will promote its discovery and development. If not free energy, I am sure this plan will at least cause the world to better focus on renewable energy.

But before I can literate any of my ideas I need to clean them up and make sure I am covering all grounds. In other words, the ideas in my head will be revealed slowly, and I need your help to polish them up. I hope this becomes a helpful process for all of us that decide to participate in this thread.

To discover a system that will promote the happiness of all people I believe we need to focus on the needs and/or reform of some specific categories. These are...

The peoples needs
Agricultural Needs
Governmental needs
Military needs
Educational needs
Emergency/medical needs
and lastly
Industry/Corporate needs

I believe that these are the key aspects that we need to focus on and/or reform. We will investigate these needs one by one, and then use that understanding as a baseline to develop a plan for a realistic monetary system.

[Shadesz]

The first question I would like to answer is, what do people need? What do they need for survival? What do they need to be happy?

I have a list that I feel captures our needs. Obviously these needs can be met different ways. For now I don't want to discuss that. For now, lets just discuss what those needs are. Please review it and discuss. Did I add something irrelavant? Do I need to add something? Etc... Thank you in advance.


WHAT PEOPLE(HOUSEHOLDS) NEED TO BE..., AND TO BE HAPPY
Food
Land/housing
Utility Services (Gas / Electricity / Potable Water / Irrigation Water / Sewer)
Transportation
Job/Income (a sense of earning your living and contributing to society)
Education
Entertainment (Discretionary money / time)
A Working Retirement Path

[Rubberband]

Life can be a pleasure

The first question I would like to answer is, what do people need? What do they need for survival? What do they need to be happy?

I have a list that I feel captures our needs. Obviously these needs can be met different ways. For now I don't want to discuss that. For now, lets just discuss what those needs are. Please review it and discuss. Did I add something irrelavant? Do I need to add something? Etc... Thank you in advance.


WHAT PEOPLE(HOUSEHOLDS) NEED TO BE..., AND TO BE HAPPY
Food
Land/housing
Utility Services (Gas / Electricity / Potable Water / Irrigation Water / Sewer)
Transportation
Job/Income (a sense of earning your living and contributing to society)
Education
Entertainment (Discretionary money / time)
A Working Retirement Path

Life can be a pleasure, if you can be pleased by just having your needs met, but most people can't even earn this for themselves because of the size of basic service needs, that require you to give so much of what you make. They tell you what it will cost you survive. Happy, sure, if you work enough to meet your needs and pay in taxes enough to support 5 others... Education would be the most important part of your list, if it mattered to everyone enough to make sure they learn.... But now, there is a lot of moochers who won't even use their time to educate themselves how to survive without the government providing for them.

[Farmhand]

Hi Shades. Cool idea for a thread, this should provoke some thought.

We need access to timely and appropriate medical care, first point of contact
accident and emergency treatment should always be free and the same quality
of care for all. So good emergency medical care for all where practical.

Add to that full care of old people with no relatives or relative who don't look
after them. Also people who do nothing to care for their aging relatives should
be punished in some way or be restricted from some services for their
selfishness. We need to care better for our old folks, old people suffering for
lack of care is a reflection of a low level of civility.

Politicians, Bankers and wall street fat cats prosper in comfort for doing very little
when old people who have worked hard and fought wars suffer in small
apartments and even on the streets.

Cheers

[Shadesz]

Life can be a pleasure, if you can be pleased by just having your needs met, but most people can't even earn this for themselves because of the size of basic service needs, that require you to give so much of what you make. They tell you what it will cost you survive. Happy, sure, if you work enough to meet your needs and pay in taxes enough to support 5 others... Education would be the most important part of your list, if it mattered to everyone enough to make sure they learn.... But now, there is a lot of moochers who won't even use their time to educate themselves how to survive without the government providing for them.

Thank you for your response Rubberband.

I agree. Life can be a pleasure if your family feels like they are earning their needs, and IMO still have enough energy left over to enjoy things. This system must be centered on empowering people/households/families to do so.

About your other point. IMO we have two types of moochers. The bankers/investors, and the welfare crowd. The welfare crowd relies on the government forcing people to work hard and pay taxes. The investor relies on businesses forcing its employees to accept decreased wages so they can pay their investment debts. In the end, the working class are working to support both types of moochers.

If we do away with investors, we can get rid of that type of mooching. But what about the "welfare moochers"?

I wonder, do the welfare crowd rely on government because they see the rich and wish they could also have a life without having to work for it? I wonder if their paradigm would change if they felt like they actually had a fair chance to make a good life of their own? My belief is that most people desire to provide for themselves. Like we stated, it is a key of happiness. Maybe if we give them hope, they will actually decide to try?

Disclaimer,
I understand that there are people that truly need governmental help just to make ends meet. These are the very people whom this thread is trying to help.

Disclaimer 2,
If you own stocks, a mutual fund, and IRA, lease land or resources, etc. please don't feel like I am threatening your wealth or retirement. Tomorrow I will try to post my thoughts on WHY Americans have to invest for their future, and HOW we can change the need of investing into a need of saving and proper money management. I also believe I know how we can convert those investments into real notes and savings without diminishing people's current fortunes. It's an interesting idea so please be patient.

[Shadesz]

Hi Shades. Cool idea for a thread, this should provoke some thought.

We need access to timely and appropriate medical care, first point of contact
accident and emergency treatment should always be free and the same quality
of care for all. So good emergency medical care for all where practical.

Add to that full care of old people with no relatives or relative who don't look
after them. Also people who do nothing to care for their aging relatives should
be punished in some way or be restricted from some services for their
selfishness. We need to care better for our old folks, old people suffering for
lack of care is a reflection of a low level of civility.

Politicians, Bankers and wall street fat cats prosper in comfort for doing very little
when old people who have worked hard and fought wars suffer in small
apartments and even on the streets.

Cheers

Thanks. Thought and discussion is what I want here.

I forgot to mention health care. Complete governmental sponsored health care or not, it is definitely an important point to be considered. I will add it to the list in my original post.

Thanks again.

[Nadda]

This is a great discussion. It is exciting to think about what alternative possibilities we could be capable of as a whole.

I think things could be so much easier almost uptopian, if we could only get every grown adult to follow two small words...be responsible...If every single person would treat themselves responsibly and everyone they encounter responsibly it would be so much easier to govern people.
We wouldnt have to worry about banksters taking advantage of everyone.
We wouldnt have to worry about corporate suits cheating people in the fine print. We wouldnt have to worry about government officals spending money to buy votes. We wouldnt have to worry about people mooching welfare...

Its not even asking that much, you dont have to be perfect...just be responsible. capitalism would be utopian if every man and woman would simply act responsibly. No one would be taken advantage of and everyone would still have the equal oppertunity to improve their lives. As human being its a tragedy we havent been able to accomplish that already.

I wonder, do the welfare crowd rely on government because they see the rich and wish they could also have a life without having to work for it?

I personally think its that, as well as simply being lazy. I live in the inner city, I have many close relatives who take full advantage of welfare and live off it alone. I'm not proud to say that, i wish it werent true. I've been around all of them and they all have one thing in common...they have no ambition. zero. and there is nothing anyone can say to them. You cant teach ambition, its something each one of us have within and its up to us alone to make that life decision. I have four female cousins from both sides of my family and every one of them got pregnant while living with they're parents but now are living in they're own homes at no expense to them. rent, utilities, food all paid for by welfare. All in they're mid 20's none can drive or even own a car. I dont understand it for the life of me, they are happy living off welfare and being dependant to it. They would rather stay on welfare than get an education and find a career to provide for themselves.
Its like that all over the city and has been that way for many many years.

Complete governmental sponsored health care or not, it is definitely an important point to be considered.

I think you would definately need to keep the social emergency services, such as police, fire, ambulance which would be covered by the local government. Personally i dont trust national healthcare, I think like those other services it should be kept at a local level, if individual states want to cover it by popular demand then more power to them.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi nadda, we are all on individual journeys in life, yet part of one energy.
I am only posting to add another perspective.
The thing is, rent, utilities, food, etc. are no different an issue than the banksters taking advantage of everyone, why, because that same energy has created the idea of rent in whatever form as if it is somehow natural.
Also, this same energy of consciousness has created the idea of monopoly by the use of suppression, etc. to create the dependence on utilities.
Also, this same energy has created the idea of lack of food and just about any other idea of lack that exists through the use of force, manipulation, etc, etc. to create dependency upon their control systems.
Though If one wishes to blame the people for non-living control systems, that is ones choice.
Another perspective could be, that instead of blaming any living being, we could acknowledge that these control systems most are living within, do not serve the needs of one and all and in fact tend to serve a small percentage of the all.
Though again, one is free to pretend we are all separate somehow and continue to see others as external to us.
Though one can readily see the results of that way of thinking.
At the core of these control systems, is rule by division or divide and conquer and this method of controlling masses of people has been used for along time, people are waking up to it.
This world will be transformed into one of unconditional love and any systems that exist within it, will resonate to that energy.
Which means, no more artificial lack of anything and a humanity with abundance, joy, true love and compassion for their fellow brothers and sisters.
peace love light
tyson

[Iotayodi]

There is a large obstacle to over come for free energy. The Mideast. This is the regions bread and butter. A political mess. We could see terrorism escalating. They dont want worldwide use of free energy in cars or electricity. Once a free energy electrical device is created it would be used for transportation.

[Shadesz]

"Other-national" competition should be considered too. Thanks.

I just added Emergency/medical to the list.

[Shadesz]

Agriculture

Read from Wikki about "Food Power"

In international politics, food power is the use of agriculture as a means of political control whereby one nation or group of nations offers or withholds commodities from another nation or group of nations in order to manipulate behavior. Its potential use as a weapon was recognised after OPEC’s earlier use of oil as a political weapon. Food has a major influence on political actions of a nation. In response to acts of food power, a nation usually acts in the interest of its citizens to provide food.

One way in which we will be able to break free of the suppressing influence of a competing nation's industry is to be able to provide ample supplies of food for our own citizens.

From Benjamin Franklin

There seem to be but three ways for a nation to acquire wealth. The first is by war, as the Romans did, in plundering their conquered neighbors. This is robbery. The second by commerce, which is generally cheating. The third by agriculture, the only honest way, wherein man receives a real increase of the seed thrown into the ground, in a kind of continual miracle, wrought by the hand of God in his favor, as a reward for his innocent life and his virtuous industry.

in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to George Washington

Agriculture is our wisest pursuit, because it will in the end contribute most to real wealth, good morals, and happiness.

Is aspiring for our nation to be wealthy a bad thing? No, I don't think so. The problem comes when that wealth and power is taken from the citizen and given to political leaders and corporations. Sadly the "use" of our nation's agriculture has shifted from one of building our independence and total wealth to that of building individual wealth and controlling the masses. Compare the following quotes.

Thomas Jefferson talking about farmers...

Cultivators of the earth are the most valuable citizens. They are the most vigorous, the most independent, the most virtuous and they are tied to their country and wedded to its liberty and interests by the most lasting bands.

Sadly, farmers are no longer our "most valuable citizens". Now that food is controlled by corporations, farmers must serve the owners of those corporations. In other words farmers have become our nations 'most valuable slaves'. See a youtube.

Here are some ironic quotes to demonstarte the position that our American Farmers are in...

“The only difference between a pigeon and the American farmer today is that a pigeon can still make a deposit on a John Deere.”
- Jim Hightower

“The farmer has to be an optimist or he wouldn't still be a farmer.”
- Will Rogers

"You can make a small fortune in farming - provided you start with a large one."
- Anonymous

Same wikki as above...

The idea of food power is used in embargoes, employment, and food politics. In order for a nation to utilize food power effectively, the nation must effectively apply and display scarcity, supply concentration, demand dispersion, and action independence. The four main nations that export enough agriculture to be able to exert food power are the United States, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand; and the U.S. does appear to use food power for punishment.

Corporate America abuses our most valuable citizens. Most farmers now require government subsidies just to survive. American Consumers enjoy cheap food, but at what cost? Slavery to the farmer, and obesity/disease for ourselves. Another YouTube...

For our health and happiness we need an overhuale of our agricultural system. To start let's review...

A NATION'S AGRICULTURAL/FOOD NEEDS
Land
Irrigation/water
Money for equipment purchases/start-up
De-corporation
Accountability to the people and the nations limited resources
Proper labeling (specific location of where the food came from)
Proper labeling (on genetically modified and cloned food)
Income for farmers personal needs and sustained operation of the farm
Ability to provide healthy food for its entire population
A complete ban on gene patenting

Comments? Additions? Subtractions?

[Shadesz]

A matter I am not sure if we should include in the agricultural list...

A potential shift to smaller farms selling food on a local level?

...I guess this could be included in the de-corporation category.

[Shadesz]

Government

Before discussing government let me define nation. What is a nation?

In a very abstract definition, a nation is a collection of people whom have assembled on a specific plot of land that have a designated form of control. This form of control is known as government.

Luckily, in our situation, our government's purpose and very existence is to "form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty" to all of its citizens and their posterity.

It was built to be run by the people and for the people. Greed and desire for power have derailed this purpose and we are trying to claim it back. I believe that this will only be achieved as we simplify its responsibilities to the basics.

These basics include:

PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE (Protect the people and resources of the land)
This includes defending our resources found in the earth, water, and the people themselves. It means protection from foreign invasion and policy. It also must include laws and protection which prohibit the citizens themselves from destroying their limited resources.

PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE OF ITS PEOPLE
This doesn't mean that the government must provide welfare for the people. It means that the government must promote the ability of people to provide for themselves. Herein lays the governmental responsibility to create and govern currency. Here is the responsibility to regulate corporate control. Here lays the governmental responsibility to guarantee to the people that they will have a fair chance if they work hard to prosper, and be happy. I believe the governmental responsibility to promote the general welfare of the people is the most important responsibility of them all. Sadly, it is the responsibility in which our government fails terribly at.

INSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY
Because our government isn't promoting the general welfare of its citizens, it surely isn't ensuring domestic tranquility either. MANY American's are in a state of unrest. In fact, today the worldwide #occupy protest is a perfect example of the frustration that our nation's citizens have. The tea party is another example of this frustration even though it is of a different demographic. People from all backgrounds feel the pain as our government fails to uphold this responsibility. The government must enforce just laws that are determined by the people.

ESTABLISH JUSTICE
It is the responsibility of the government to make sure that criminals are punished, good and civil behavior is rewarded, and in general that justice rules the people. Criminal charges need to be made not only to domestic criminals, but to corporate criminals and political criminals as well. Many American's feel that there has not been justice in the corporate and political disciplines. Many people, after committing fraud and deceit, have been able to continue their careers with just a slap on the hand. This is not right.

SECURE BLESSINGS OF LIBERTY
Here is where the government is responsible to make the "American dream" fair. They are to make sure that suppression and monetary extraction do not occur. They are to ensure the basic liberties of freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, the right to bear arms, etc. I would also suggest that herein lays their responsibility to guaranteeing that the people will be able to provide for themselves. An example of them not doing this is the corporate takeover of our food supply. Food is a liberty. Governmental patents on genes are removing that very liberty from us.

[Shadesz]

Having said all that

OUR GOVERNMENT NEEDS
The ability to print and regulate money, interest free
Means and military necessary to defend the people and their resources
Means and ability to provide basic necessities of modern society (water, waste treatment, utilities, emergency medical and fire services)
A working accountability system which will criminally charge guilty members of government
An effective accountability system that ensures it is performing its responsibilities
An HONEST political and election process that works to elect people who are committed to upholding the rights of the citizens (I have a suggestion how to get this)

Others? Comments?

[Shadesz]

Hi folks, Hi nadda, we are all on individual journeys in life, yet part of one energy.
I am only posting to add another perspective.
The thing is, rent, utilities, food, etc. are no different an issue than the banksters taking advantage of everyone, why, because that same energy has created the idea of rent in whatever form as if it is somehow natural.
Also, this same energy of consciousness has created the idea of monopoly by the use of suppression, etc. to create the dependence on utilities.
Also, this same energy has created the idea of lack of food and just about any other idea of lack that exists through the use of force, manipulation, etc, etc. to create dependency upon their control systems.
Though If one wishes to blame the people for non-living control systems, that is ones choice.
Another perspective could be, that instead of blaming any living being, we could acknowledge that these control systems most are living within, do not serve the needs of one and all and in fact tend to serve a small percentage of the all.
Though again, one is free to pretend we are all separate somehow and continue to see others as external to us.
Though one can readily see the results of that way of thinking.
At the core of these control systems, is rule by division or divide and conquer and this method of controlling masses of people has been used for along time, people are waking up to it.
This world will be transformed into one of unconditional love and any systems that exist within it, will resonate to that energy.
Which means, no more artificial lack of anything and a humanity with abundance, joy, true love and compassion for their fellow brothers and sisters.
peace love light
tyson

I have been thinking about what you said and I wonder, how do you feel is the best way to provide utility serves to the people? Should this be a governmental operation or private? (Notice that by private I mean a private corporation own by the people working within it, not outside investors)? If utilities are government provided, what level of government should they be on, city? County? State? Federal?