The electric field of a magnet

[petar113507]

I have been thinking of bemf and how to make it forward emf,
If we take a pancake coil and observe the wiring direction, and if the electric field is counter to the applied field we would get this

this is showing both sides of the pancake coil and the counter rotation electric field

Dave, I like the way you think.

If you were to pull those two pancake coils into a conical shape -- you'd have "russell's coils" that he claimed simulated the life/death cycle of electric current. He claimed OU -- I think could be possible if the charge is harvested correctly.

Using that picture above, if you can imagine it in 3-D -- you'd have the circle between russell's two coils, which iron filings were caught in between.
Walter Russell -- Energy Generator Coils

My question -- How would you harvest the charge? Impart it to a dielectric, or divert the potential somewhere else?

I see that Leedskalinin essentially says how to use "potential".



What you are describing with your coils, is to create the potential. Leedskalinin's words, you are "concentrating" the magnets. To divide them, is to establish an asymmetry. To shift them is to use the asymmetry to do useful work.

I haven't figured out how the condensed potential wants to behave in the ice. I figure a good trick would be to combine two I can show it a ground -- which is to establish the asymmetry. Showing that potential how to do work, and re-create that initial potential is something I have not yet wrapped my head around conceptually.

Essentially storing the charge in a capacitor is to store it for later use is my -- because in that instant it was created, it would not have been shown a preferential "conductor" wherein it could do useful work.

Looking forward to seeing some ideas.

==Romo

[MonsieurM]

I believe one of the problems with our devices is orientation the magnetic field needs to be perpendicular to the planet, if we look at the TPU it would only work one way, I believe the reason is because one field direction is attracted by our planet and the other is repelled.
When I was freezing coils horizontal coils produced mixed fields whereas vertical coils produced clean fields.

Dave

Have you noticed that your schematics resembles this (sort of )



and the dots maybe well placed capacitors:

capacitor electric field






COHERENCE AT ANY LEVEL IS COHERENCE AT ALL LEVELS.
An orderly arrangement between wave lengths establishes a connection between frequencies and fields. But for this connection to last, it must resonate to all frequencies and fields. This can only be accomplished through the resonate structure of golden mean pathways. a harmonic cascade effect

Fractal construct

[MonsieurM]

Dave, I like the way you think.



What you are describing with your coils, is to create the potential. Leedskalinin's words, you are "concentrating" the magnets. To divide them, is to establish an asymmetry. To shift them is to use the asymmetry to do useful work.



Looking forward to seeing some ideas.

==Romo

I posted this here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ystals-32.html

found this while browsing Tesla's patent , see the asymmetry





all the components used in every experiment emits a field and it has a role to play too...so the geometry of the circuit is just as important: Tesla did not draw his schematics at random...i do not believe so coming from the Master of Resonance

COHERENCE AT ANY LEVEL IS COHERENCE AT ALL LEVELS.
An orderly arrangement between wave lengths establishes a connection between frequencies and fields. But for this connection to last, it must resonate to all frequencies and fields. This can only be accomplished through the resonate structure of golden mean pathways. a harmonic cascade effect

[MonsieurM]

Niceeeeeeeeeee

[petar113507]

I posted this here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ystals-32.html

found this while browsing Tesla's patent , see the asymmetry





all the components used in every experiment emits a field and it has a role to play too...so the geometry of the circuit is just as important: Tesla did not draw his schematics at random...i do not believe so coming from the Master of Resonance

COHERENCE AT ANY LEVEL IS COHERENCE AT ALL LEVELS.
An orderly arrangement between wave lengths establishes a connection between frequencies and fields. But for this connection to last, it must resonate to all frequencies and fields. This can only be accomplished through the resonate structure of golden mean pathways. a harmonic cascade effect

(dave, I'm following up on your experiment with smaller wound coils ande ice tonight. Was there any special details involved in the selection of the selection of wire length, or is this just a "proof of concept"?)

Thank you for posting this again here. I did see it before -- and I am looking again. Seems like each time I review it, I see something new in it -- like I see in russell's drawings.

Noticing that the gas-filled discharge tubes were at the "dead center" where the Electric component would propagate from, drove me to experiment with a small smith coil, and argon flashtubes in disposable cameras.
Those things are darned handy

I found I could make the tube discharge at a lesser voltage (200V less) than the "ionizing plate" or the "flash plate" off the secondary transformer fed it -- by putting the discharge tube along a smith-coil's "cancel zone" in the center.

What I just got "fresh" out of it -- was a little more insight about harmonics. When you have one "Harmonic" chord, it is composed of many subharmonic strings. I play the guitar and violin, so this is pretty easy for me to physically relate.

Allow me to shortly expand on this;

What I see though -- is that the entire patent illustrates a "harmonic" -- in the sense, that when the primary coil in that drawing "fires" it sets several balances into oscilation.

It is plucking a single string, and many other strings vibrate slightly differently from the same primary motion.

If I were to take that "single string" principal, and play it reverse in my imagination -- I would see an opposite effect -- when I play when I play a many strings to produce one "note".


Applying that directly to the patent -- There are many different electric "strings" played, to produce the "note" of (a certain current/voltage level) -- (there's the collecting) -- then directing that at an asymmetry (Dividing). The purpose of this, "shifting" that single note to do work.
What I mean -- is that the same process happens musically.

When we do that with music, we shift between certain series (generally) to elicit an emotion. Within the emotion -- the "meaning" of the music -- contains the musical peice's purpose.

I will say it differently.

What the dominant expressed emotion in each musical piece is, holds purpose/function of the music. (I.E, make you reflect, make you depressed, make you joyful/inspired ETC)

A motor's purpose in its existence is to express rotational force -- that we can see through its design.
This may stray a tad off-topic from the thread's original purpose -- but I find myself wondering, as I write this -- what our purpose of being human is -- and if it is visible through our design. I'm just reflecting here, but what I tend to "do" is according to my strong points.

Interesting, because howard johnson essentially observed that magnets have both North and South poles within each domain -- the "north dominant", or "South Dominant" reflects what we see as "north" or "south" pole. Those magnets have characteristics of both "genders", but serve to function according to their strengths, too.

Attaching this to that flashy new picture -- With your setup, Dave, I see that you are using the "right angle" to collect the Phi Field. When you are testing, I would be very much obliged if I could ask you to record your impulse duration you are using for the "on/off" switching for the magnetic field.
Leedskalinin even says rapidity of time/abruptness in rate of change has much to do with "making more magnets".

Speaking of right angles, Could you use a "magnetic bucking North Stresspoint" or "Scalar stresspoint" (ala bedini) along the rotating shaft, in order to generate a higher voltage in a "testatica" (or wimhurst generator) while it is in rotation?

My girlfriend suggested a month or so ago, putting different magnetic polarities to establish a stronger primary charge difference in the water, along the upper dispensing tubes of the "Lord Kelvin's thunderstorm".

I did not understand why it worked at first -- she's a little more intuitive than me sometimes -- but now I see when the water is in rotation, it can deflect a little bit of the magnetic "spin" along the electric field axis.

Work time,
==Romo

[MonsieurM]

It is plucking a single string, and many other strings vibrate slightly differently from the same primary motion.

If I were to take that "single string" principal, and play it reverse in my imagination -- I would see an opposite effect -- when I play when I play a many strings to produce one "note".


Applying that directly to the patent -- There are many different electric "strings" played, to produce the "note" of (a certain current/voltage level) -- (there's the collecting) -- then directing that at an asymmetry (Dividing). The purpose of this, "shifting" that single note to do work.
What I mean -- is that the same process happens musically.

When we do that with music, we shift between certain series (generally) to elicit an emotion. Within the emotion -- the "meaning" of the music -- contains the musical peice's purpose.

exactly....petar113507 , you have a knack of putting into words exactly what i was thinkng...thanks

I'll be transferring your thoughts over at Golden tractate

[MonsieurM]

can't wait to read about it when you take this baby for a ride....


ps: won't hurt a little prayer before you start (you are an antenna after all )

[MonsieurM]

I wound the ends wrong, have to rewind the ends
Also Iv been thinking, I have the coil wound like the pic on the left, I have an iron ring, Im thinking of putting the coils iside the ring like the pic on the right, I wound the coil on 1/2 in. cpvc so I can put a iron rod through it.

Here's my thoughts on this, once there is a magnetic field setup in the iron there will also be an electric field setup, now we know that as long as the iron is not separated it will continue to carry the magnetic field (Ed's pmh) so that means there will be a permanent electric field too, right I hope so, a free field to pulse

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[MonsieurM]

Dave , how is the experiment going

[petar113507]

Dear Dave,

Swedish Iron Rod

Also for PMH.

==Romo

[petar113507]

You can heat up the rods with propane torch bend it into the shape you want -- let it cool in some kind of beach sand or other good heat-retaining powder.

If you let it cool too fast, the "soft" iron becomes "hard" and becomes like steel -- in that it retains some of its permanent magnetism.

Am trying to figure out how to cast my own iron rods out of magnetite from beach sand.

I need to finish research a paper for school -- my last one, I hope -- but your setup led me to some ideas to explain russell's coils function.

If the geometry of the coils are not correct, the pulse does not amplify or recycle.

Will post with pictures when I can.
Hope you are well,

==Romo

[nueview]

hi all
dave i see the discussion has slowed down so perhaps it is time for me to post my view on all this it may help maybe not.

my supposition is that a magnet does not have two spin directions in the magnetic internal field just one spin this then puts faraday in line with the magnetic and backs up newman and leedskalnin

the field seperation comes from the external view and the external field directions not the internal.

and it is just a minor suposition but the spin for magnetic may not be the same for all materials copper may have an opposite spin for pole direction or a stronger outer reaction field. not sure which yet.

other than this most of the rest seems to follow along with what is presented.
Martin

[MonsieurM]

hi all
dave i see the discussion has slowed down so perhaps it is time for me to post my view on all this it may help maybe not.

my supposition is that a magnet does not have two spin directions in the magnetic internal field just one spin this then puts faraday in line with the magnetic and backs up newman and leedskalnin

the field seperation comes from the external view and the external field directions not the internal.

and it is just a minor suposition but the spin for magnetic may not be the same for all materials copper may have an opposite spin for pole direction or a stronger outer reaction field. not sure which yet.

other than this most of the rest seems to follow along with what is presented.
Martin

your answer lies in Walter Russell's Periodic Table and their position in the sine wave (whether on the positive or the negative side )

[nueview]

MM please explain a bit further.
which elements and they spin how or were is the information found?

dave
sorry i should post a picture but have had no luck.

the single spin makes far more sense and i can explain your pictures would do it better but i think it has to do with hole spin directions or excess valence electrons set up the interactive spin and neutral zone for the outside spin field return and the inside spin field action.

magnetic fields are very particular about which way a charge moves in relationship to them.so i could see an excess electron spinning different from a positive hole valence. which could look like an opposite spin.
Martin

i will try to make a picture about what i am thinking and try to post it for you.

[MonsieurM]

Romo, you are better knowledgeable than me on Russell, and i think you understand very well what I am seeing...I leave you the honor to answer nueview

nueview, I hope you don't mind...i will add info if necessary