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  • He meant his gospel would cause division, even within your own family but he warns you have to follow Him to be worthy of Him, even to the extent of your own life.
    Even science has proved this life is nothing but a hologram, this is not the true life, we are still caterpillars waiting to enter our cocoon and emerge as a butterfly.
    He in no way advocated violence He said to turn the other cheek to give way, some down through the century's and even today use this same verse to serve their own self desires, but they do not know Christ.

    34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
    37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
    38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
    39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
    40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
    Last edited by Dave45; 06-26-2013, 11:57 PM.
    Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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    • thread's a bit hijacked lol

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      • Originally posted by logos View Post
        thread's a bit hijacked lol
        That may be so but there is a valuable lesson that should be gleaned from some of this. You cannot take single sentences from the bible and use them wily nily. That is not to say that some passages cannot be used apart from the whole, but if anyone wants to know the truth about the Holy Scriptures they must read them in context and preferably in sincere prayer.

        I think that applies to all written works such as those by Tesla, Leedskalnin, Steinmetz, Dollard, etc to name a few in this arena. We need to read things in context.

        Thank you, Dave. i admire folks who defend the Lord with such zeal. I fail to see why folks become angry when Yeshua is brought up. If He disturbs anyone, skip to the next post or thread would be my suggestion. But the Christ I have come to know is so loving and forgiving (for those who repent) that I find Him and His message irresistable. I don't get mad at folks who believe differently and everyone is entitled to their opinion but it would be a travesty not to tell others about the Messiah and let them make up their own minds and hearts. He loves us even if we don't feel the same way. Hell is a place of choice where we can be forever separate and apart from Him. He doesn't send us there but allows us to choose it. Please do not be angry and shoot the humble messenger. But if you do, us real Christians will forgive you for it.

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        • Charlie
          The thread is not hijacked its my thread I started it, some want to use His power but not know Him, dont you realize all power comes from Him, He set all creation in motion.
          His power is immeasurable as is His mercy,love and forgiveness


          I will wait
          In Yeshua's name

          dave
          Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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          • Originally posted by Dave45 View Post
            Charlie
            The thread is not hijacked its my thread I started it, some want to use His power but not know Him, dont you realize all power comes from Him
            He set all creation in motion.
            His power is immeasurable as is His mercy,love and forgiveness


            I will wait
            In Yeshua's name

            dave
            He set all creation in motion.
            Hey King Dave-id what does MOTION look like?
            Does it look like the image we see below or does MOTION look like jesus MOTIONLESS on a crucifix?



            I agree Dave you cannot hijack your own thread, but without a doubt the propaganda camPAIN called jesus christ has hijacked many other beLIEfs claiming them as its own and the originator.

            you folks do not know your scriptures well, long ago the church said the bible was not science, yet here we are in the 21st century and every scientific AHA is claimed as proof of a Christian jesus?

            Science and the Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            it appears every Christian is allowed to interpret the scriptures however nilly willy they want to, and then they try to spread the good NEWS to the four corners of the earth N-E-W-S?

            Dave you forgot the first lesson of being a bible babbler (a messenger in your POV), is to kept it to yourself.

            Meditate on it, nobody, I mean nobody else needs to know about your personal relationship with 'god'.

            God in religion has the same mystery as the concept of infinity in science.
            Neither can be proved or disproved.

            Imagine if scientists opened up schools trying to indoctrinate everybody on something called 'infinity'?

            Why bother?

            namaste
            Last edited by Raphael37; 06-28-2013, 02:26 AM.

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            • Let me introduce my belief system.

              God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.... That's it!

              Garden of Eden, with no knowledge of good and evil how can god expect Adam and Eve to follow orders or to even appreciate the warning. The cherubs weren't they supposed to guard the garden?!?! It's analogous to a mother leaving her 2 toddlers in the middle of the kitchen floor with piles of candy everywhere and saying oh don't eat the candy in the middle it will kill you. Don't let the hamster tell you different, all the while the dog licks it's balls ignoring everything.

              The Flood, is God so pathetic in his punishment techniques as to utterly and miserably fail to kill off the aborigines, American Indians, Chinese, freshwater fish as all lakes on earth would have been ocean salinity. All farm-able land would have been salted. By the way how long did they have to wait for the south american tree sloth's or the Tasmanian tiger or kangaroos and who put them back.

              I was raised baptist but having too many viable neurons to rub together caused a violent rejection of gibberish being submitted literally as gospel truth.

              God exists however, I do not believe that God is as petty, half assed and f'd up as the various beliefs of the religions of the world present Gods "truth" to make "him" out to be.

              ps what the H E double hockey sticks does this have to do with the electric field of a magnet?!?!?!

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              • Originally posted by Hrothgar View Post
                God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.... That's it!

                Garden of Eden, with no knowledge of good and evil how can god expect Adam and Eve to follow orders or to even appreciate the warning. The cherubs weren't they supposed to guard the garden?!?! It's analogous to a mother leaving her 2 toddlers in the middle of the kitchen floor with piles of candy everywhere and saying oh don't eat the candy in the middle it will kill you. Don't let the hamster tell you different, all the while the dog licks it's balls ignoring everything.

                The Flood, is God so pathetic in his punishment techniques as to utterly and miserably fail to kill off the aborigines, American Indians, Chinese, freshwater fish as all lakes on earth would have been ocean salinity. All farm-able land would have been salted. By the way how long did they have to wait for the south american tree sloth's or the Tasmanian tiger or kangaroos and who put them back.

                I was raised baptist but having too many viable neurons to rub together caused a violent rejection of gibberish being submitted literally as gospel truth.

                God exists however, I do not believe that God is as petty, half assed and f'd up as the various beliefs of the religions of the world present Gods "truth" to make "him" out to be.
                I draw a line in the sand.
                On one side we place ALL we know or have learned or can PROVE without a doubt.

                On the other side of the line I place what can NOT be proved or disproved.

                I place both religion's god and science's infinity on the other side of the line that we ALL cross over eventually.

                Originally posted by Hrothgar View Post

                ps what the H E double hockey sticks does this have to do with the electric field of a magnet?!?!?!
                You mean the swastika?
                The swastika is what you find etched on the door on your way out of 3D reality.

                You didn't go to all of the links I provided did you?
                What does the image below have to do with the swastika?



                Biomimicry – the Attractive and Repulsive Magnetic Spiral Swastika – the Great Pyramid and phi | Alternative Thinking 37
                This link might help you understand.
                It might not.

                cheers,

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                • Nothing is left undone, even science admits there is intelligent design.
                  Revealing God's Treasure - Ark of the Covenant - YouTube
                  Watch videos of Ron Wyatt and the discoveries
                  Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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                  • Originally posted by Dave45 View Post
                    Nothing is left undone, even science admits there is intelligent design.
                    Revealing God's Treasure - Ark of the Covenant - YouTube
                    Watch videos of Ron Wyatt and the discoveries
                    Science like religion is a FAIL.
                    Science in fact after all of their huffing and puffing can NOT even draw me a picture of an atom!!

                    And religion can NOT draw me a picture of Adam either.

                    So Dave if Tetryonics is a brand new movement can you please draw me a picture of what MOVEMENT looks like?
                    Take a guess as to how our ancestors depicted MOVEMENT?
                    Why do witches, bats, and Sufis like to MOVE widdershins?

                    Especially from the peripohery to center and back out to the periphery...how would this idEA of MOVEMENT be sketched?

                    Both science and religion are monumental FAILS especially when it comes to admitting what they do NOT know.
                    Both science and religion hide behind their chosen words which has become their dogma, and right behind you Dave is another 'plebe' that has been indoctrinated.

                    The grand parade of lifeless packaging is endless Dave...it seems to be infinite.
                    Genesis The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging - YouTube

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                    • Originally posted by Raphael37 View Post
                      I draw a line in the sand.

                      Biomimicry – the Attractive and Repulsive Magnetic Spiral Swastika – the Great Pyramid and phi | Alternative Thinking 37
                      This link might help you understand.
                      It might not.

                      cheers,
                      Wow, that was a colossal waste of time, all the hoopla over vector analysis. and millions of people overtime handing down crappy Symbology.

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                      • There's another way, your only seeing one.
                        Ed Leedskalnin found it.
                        Last edited by Dave45; 06-28-2013, 11:27 PM.
                        Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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                        • Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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                          • 1 ¶ Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
                            2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
                            3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
                            4 ¶ Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
                            5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
                            6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
                            7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


                            8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
                            9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
                            10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
                            11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
                            12 ¶ Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
                            13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
                            14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
                            15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
                            16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
                            17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
                            18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
                            19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
                            20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
                            21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
                            22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
                            23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
                            Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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                            • I have set my heart to find what He meant is these verses and if He wants me to know I will, these verses are the only reason I am here were it not for these words I would have left long ago, I seek no hidden knowledge that He doesnt want me to know.
                              He hides nothing in secret or darkness He is all and all comes from Him
                              Psalm 28:7
                              The Lord is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him.
                              Half of the Answer is knowing the right Question

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                              • Originally posted by Hrothgar View Post
                                Wow, that was a colossal waste of time, all the hoopla over vector analysis. and millions of people overtime handing down crappy Symbology.
                                You obviously need to see a shrink.
                                Here let me recommend the one I use and the one Wolfgang Pauli used too!
                                Why did Wolfgang Pauli see herr Jung in secret?
                                Did Wolfgang Pauli know about vectors?



                                “I knew that in finding the mandala as an expression of the Self I had attained what was for me the ultimate. Perhaps someone else knows more, but not I.”
                                -Carl Jung
                                So the entire career of Carl Jung he summarized in ONE SENTENCE?

                                Your ignorance is not my bliss Hrothgar.
                                Your ignorance suggests advertisers do not use symbolism to their advantage.
                                You are clearly ignorant about the fact advertisers use IMAGES to *target* your passive RIGHT BRAIN.
                                PhDUH we remember using IMAGES!
                                But you relegating symbolism to the scrap heap is so typical of idol worshipping bible babblers.
                                You are clearly ignorant about what the swastika hockey sticks mean on a level you are NOT privy too.
                                And this link here proves YOU ARE IGNORANT about symbolism and the swastika.
                                Swastika as Dynamic Pattern Underlying Psychosocial Power Processes

                                Sheepish EWE better go back and read between the LInEs of your bible of choice.
                                bible of choice?
                                6+billion sheeple are capable of producing 6+billion 'I AM' 'we the sheeple' narratives.
                                But try to remember ONE thing, all 6+ billion sheeple are connected to the MOON and the SUN, the lesser and greater lights.

                                That statement alone illustrates after 2000+ years how the self serving bible babblers are ignoring what is in plain sight, everybody trying to ram their I AM narrative down the yaps of their competitors.


                                This clay plate crafted about 4000+ BC with the wavy hair clearly is depicting 'magnetism'.

                                This next plate/image is from the same SWASTIKA CULTure that existed at that time.



                                Why did they put the SWASTIKA in the CENTER?
                                Long ago the CENTER was reserved for 'gods/deities' etc.,
                                Long ago our consciousness revolved around the MOON (geocentric) and today it revolves around the SUN (heliocentric).

                                The SWASTIKA represents BOTH the Sun and the Moon!!!
                                Didn't ewe boys know that?


                                I do ponder and wonder what role the SS Solar Swastika played when we switched from a LUNAR/MOON geocentric consciousness to a SOLAR/SUN heliocentric model???

                                You two bible babblers think EWE know it all eh?
                                Mixing your allegorical/metaphorical/archetypal Jesus quotes with 21st century science, all the while ignoring the obvious, what is plain sight?

                                But but butt yet I can prove how ignorant you both are of the role of the 12,000+ year old swastika to the big picture?
                                It was part of human consciousness worldwide for 10,000 years BEFORE the Christian era of miracles, lies, sex and videotape.
                                The swastika was and still is revered in many parts of the world in fact!

                                9+ years of swastika research suggests EWE two bible babblers need to raise your self serving 'I AM Chosen' game to the next level.
                                ReBLEATing bible quotations is nothing more than rote programming.

                                EWE are clearly NOT chosen, you are both ignorant of some vital information.
                                And ignorance is never granted entry to the land of bliss.

                                PhDUH maybe that is what the HorUS/JesUS Christ HIS-story is best used for, and a reminder of, EWE reBLEAT HIS-story till magnetic U gets it right!



                                namaste

                                In case you need to be reminded of the relationship between God, Raphael, and the Swastika.

                                Last edited by Raphael37; 06-29-2013, 01:38 PM.

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