Dr Stiffler SEC Replications?

[Slider2732]

The Ground lighting video was excellent for displaying such effects, i'm surprised it said just 4 views. But that's the main issue, not knowing and the video was uploaded back in April !
What I reckon is needed is a full input to output comparison of wattage in, to say a heater and whether anything changes by an extraction of the field energies.
It's tiny and, as you say, most would rather ground out the noise anyway.

For anything practical along the lines of an off grid system then anything like this holds pretty much no value. However, if something can be run for nothing and forms no draw, while also decreasing ambient EMF energies, then in my view it's very valid.
A simple light for a kitchen work surface, that's powered by otherwise wasted energy would be one use. Plus the attraction of not having to switch things off to 'save on the electric'.

I dare say if all the Microwave and other radio frequency signals were removed the 1.094 Mhz thing would fizzle out as well.

That could very well be so. Is it more akin to base noise from electrical powering, or to the Schumann resonance. And, if just a false natural background, does that debase the whole thread for Dr. Stiffler's work ?
No idea personally and i'm merely trying to ascertain the route that people are thinking along.
Those frequencies won't be going anywhere for a long time in an average household, so we may as well use them ? I've never really understood why people focus on such things as negatives. Things like putting something in a Faraday cage to see if it still works...whatever for ? it isn't the devices normal operating environ
A crystal radio won't work in a Faraday cage - does that mean it doesn't produce audio or is able to light an LED from the radio waves and therefore must be a fake ?!
I would think it's a great idea to decrease our body exposures to those energies, as they zip right through us continually every day. Why not trap them and use them for something useful ?

[Kokomoj0]

The Ground lighting video was excellent for displaying such effects, i'm surprised it said just 4 views. But that's the main issue, not knowing and the video was uploaded back in April !
What I reckon is needed is a full input to output comparison of wattage in, to say a heater and whether anything changes by an extraction of the field energies.
It's tiny and, as you say, most would rather ground out the noise anyway.

For anything practical along the lines of an off grid system then anything like this holds pretty much no value. However, if something can be run for nothing and forms no draw, while also decreasing ambient EMF energies, then in my view it's very valid.
A simple light for a kitchen work surface, that's powered by otherwise wasted energy would be one use. Plus the attraction of not having to switch things off to 'save on the electric'.



That could very well be so. Is it more akin to base noise from electrical powering, or to the Schumann resonance. And, if just a false natural background, does that debase the whole thread for Dr. Stiffler's work ?
No idea personally and i'm merely trying to ascertain the route that people are thinking along.
Those frequencies won't be going anywhere for a long time in an average household, so we may as well use them ? I've never really understood why people focus on such things as negatives. Things like putting something in a Faraday cage to see if it still works...whatever for ? it isn't the devices normal operating environ
A crystal radio won't work in a Faraday cage - does that mean it doesn't produce audio or is able to light an LED from the radio waves and therefore must be a fake ?!
I would think it's a great idea to decrease our body exposures to those energies, as they zip right through us continually every day. Why not trap them and use them for something useful ?

well its great for someone who is learning about resonance (with exception to the 1.094 thing which who knows), but I am not sure it goes beyond that too much.


first I see no reason why a crystal radio would not work in a faraday cage since they typically use both a long wire antenna and a ground that goes outside the faraday box?



Next lets say you get one of these to work on a large scale and you are sucking 60 cycles, in america they will throw you in jail for stealing power from the power company! As for power for a radio station you are looking at the square of the distance fall off rate and even if you are quite close you are only looking at a few microvolts.



When I seen stifflers ground I did make a mental note of it but didnt realize what could be going on there until nick brought it up above. If you wanted to test this I would say go out in the country so when you kill the power its dead.


Then drive a ground rod into the ground and use a heave buss wire that is only a foot or 2 long to the ground. Pour water around your ground rod. (the ground wire could easily be acting as an antenna.)


Get your resonance if you can if you can then cut your power, do you still have it? If not then you would need some kind of inverter to power your equipment that did not interfere and give you resonance.

Adjust again and if you get resonance then shut your equipment off too.


If you get resonance with a very short as in 1 or 2 feet heavy ground are out in the country all power is cut, no inverters running etc, then its pretty safe to say you have something real. That would validate the results nick got.

[NickZ]

Guys:
It is very interesting what an Av plug can do, as without its use, (or something similar), no light would have be found coming from an led, even from the Ac ground source.
All I really wanted to mention or caution about was that even though one is using an outside ground, only, the devices are still being influenced by the induced AC wiring currents inside the house. To avoid that, we must isolate the device from all surfaces, and electrical or metallic things, as the Doc recommends. I know that most of you already know that, but some may not.

Doc has found something that is not just leached Ac or man made noises. Not that utilizing the induced Ac or capacitance noise to light some leds is not valid, but, If we are not careful we'll think that we've found the real deal, when we really haven't.
In any case, it's better to tune into whatever frequency works, for now, and to make the change later to the right frequency. Keeping in mind that the Ac noise is not the same, as the natural Earth Frequencies, and may not be as useful in the long run, especially in a power outages.
Slider and Lidmotor - my hat off to you both for showing us what can be done with this idea.
Farmhand- love your coil only device, thanks for sharing your videos.
That is really the direction I'd like to go. Passive sounds, possible...
NickZ

[NickZ]

Jupiter's song and dance:
528 Hz & Jupiter's Electromagnetic voices & Alpha brainwaves - YouTube

[Kokomoj0]

well if you want something conclusive ya gotta do conclusive testing. The only way to do that unless someone has a better method is what I drew out. Anything less would not be conclusive.

Basically we can either do it in our own ranks or have universities laugh at us if we are wrong. A 10 foot piece of wire is not a very good ground and acts more like an antenna.

Take it to a remote area no inverters no power company and get that resonance then you have something to go to the bank with/

[Slider2732]

Speaking of the 528Hz, I was reminded of work by Richard C. Hoagland (as heard often on Coast to Coast AM).
His theories relate to cosmic mathematics and hyperdimensional physics. Although i'm not fully in tune or understand some of it, the 19.5 degrees findngs are very interesting indeed.
I wonder - if those physics may help us find a resonance point without more test equipment than homebuilt detectors and radio usage. Angling coils, aligning fields etc with those findings.
Completely no idea how, but just wondering.
Here's some more on that and things get really interesting from half way down the page: http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1.html
As mentioned above, all may be in vain with regard to universities in any case.

Nick, speaking of the AV plug, here's something which may either be a swansong or continuation of this whole thing with the Grounds.
Below is a pic of a 1W Lights of America bulb, partially lit.
The circuit is built in the following way -
AV plug attached to outside Ground.
Negative going diode goes to the smaller of the 2 bulb base connections.
Positive going diode goes to the larger of the 2 bulb base connections.
Switched off wall adapter Negative lead to the larger of the bulb connections.
It does of course go out, if the wall adapter is actually removed from the wall, or the power to the socket is cut.

[NickZ]

Slider and All:
Thanks for that last info on how to light that one watt bulb.
Any free source of light is useful. It would however be interesting to see if it really is free though. In any case that amount of light is not going to save us much, one way or the other.

I found that the back of my Pc, where the power supply is, shows the brightest output light on my Av plug, brighter than any other spot.

The power company measures the resistance of the house ground connection, with their meters, and if it does not pass their test they will have you install another second or even a third 8 foot solid copper grounding rod. I have two of those grounding rods outside my house.
The reason that some people may have more or less light coming from their Av plugs indoors, can be due to a poor Ac ground condition outside.
A good Ac ground outside, means a worse Av plug ouput inside the house.
If the outside Ac ground is not good, it can also cause a big problem by the two 110 volts lines joining up somehow and blowing out all the lights, etz... This has happened to me, so I know it can happen. The power companies have a name for that, but I forget what it is.

Slider- have you tried the Av plug device as a multi-meter tester that I had mentioned before, to find the srf of a coil without the use of a SG or frequency analizer? rau369's Channel - YouTube

[NickZ]

@ kokomoj0:
Thank's quite the user name, I like it.
Concerning the test you mentioned... in order to make that test one would have to have a working device to see if it really will work outside and away from all known signals and interferences. The Doc has mentioned that he will not do that, so maybe someone else is interested in following through with that.
Lidmotor at one time had mentioned something about taking the 18x board or something similar out on a boat trip...

[Kokomoj0]

@ kokomoj0:
Thank's quite the user name, I like it.
Concerning the test you mentioned... in order to make that test one would have to have a working device to see if it really will work outside and away from all known signals and interferences. The Doc has mentioned that he will not do that, so maybe someone else is interested in following through with that.
Lidmotor at one time had mentioned something about taking the 18x board or something similar out on a boat trip...

yes that is a great idea and hats off to you and lidmotor for getting past the honeymoon faster than I did LOL

Yep drop a heavy short wire in the water in an isolated lake or swamp.

I am sort of surprised that stiffler rejects such a test.

[conradphd]

yes that is a great idea and hats off to you and lidmotor for getting past the honeymoon faster than I did LOL

Yep drop a heavy short wire in the water in an isolated lake or swamp.

I am sort of surprised that stiffler rejects such a test.

It appears to me that there is a significant amount of DI or 'Disinformation' being offered here.

One specific way to do this is to bring forward the idea in peoples minds the fact that
someone is guilty unless proven innocent.

Who that knows anything about 60/50Hz ambient or line noise has yet to present anything
close to what Dr. Stiffler has shown over and over again? Get over it as a few hundred
milli-volts of ambient hum or coupled glitches will not ever give you what has been
shown. Simple folks - use standard electronics theory and find the impedance of a SEC
Exciter for the so called 60/50 Hz silliness.

I would think that a creditably or dismissal of ones work would be the appropriate 'Replication'
followed by an explanation of how the 'Replication' is not what was initially offered and
presented. Dr Stiffler will never jump through the silly hoops that DIO's or 'Disinformation
Operatives' present as some kind of test or verification of authenticity. The entire logic
if flawed in that how will a DIO accept a PSEC in a cow pasture versus a lab - he or she will
only turn back and come up with so other idea of fakery or falsehood.

I think every one must look at the definition of 'Replication'. A Ford(R) is not a Chey(R)
and a Boat is not a Ship so where can anyone with a straight face and moral or intellectual
standing even think of what is being said here. Totally the same mumble jumbo that takes place
when anyone offers something real that can not be built in a kitchen sink with junk box parts.

As stated by Dr. Stiffler for years - 'Forget me and my offerings, move to The Great Tesla's
Work, any success here folks?'

Really you should move on to other things - or 'Replicate' and show the evidence.

Oh yes the cute little icon really puts the point to the facts of what you bring to the table.

[Kokomoj0]

It appears to me that there is a significant amount of DI or 'Disinformation' being offered here.

One specific way to do this is to bring forward the idea in peoples minds the fact that
someone is guilty unless proven innocent.

Who that knows anything about 60/50Hz ambient or line noise has yet to present anything
close to what Dr. Stiffler has shown over and over again? Get over it as a few hundred
milli-volts of ambient hum or coupled glitches will not ever give you what has been
shown. Simple folks - use standard electronics theory and find the impedance of a SEC
Exciter for the so called 60/50 Hz silliness.

to show what? exactly?

I would think that a creditably or dismissal of ones work would be the appropriate 'Replication'
followed by an explanation of how the 'Replication' is not what was initially offered and
presented. Dr Stiffler will never jump through the silly hoops that DIO's or 'Disinformation Operatives' present as some kind of test or verification of authenticity. [ thats proper scientific methodology in your opnion correct? ] The entire logic if flawed in that how will a DIO accept a PSEC in a cow pasture versus a lab - he or she will only turn back and come up with so other idea of fakery or falsehood.


excuse me but I am not the one teaching the sec and psec, stiffler is and you should think about your accusations. The burden of proving the device does fall upon him or one of his followers not me.





You know what I mean?

If stifflers work is an effort to further science then one would think he would jump at every opportunity to insure his analysis is tried in fire.

Scoffing it off as it would seem he and if not he certainly you are doing does not convince anyone of anything except your attempt to remove it from science and politicize the matter. a dead end for those who want to truly KNOW.

Accusing me of being a disinfo agent weakens your position even further.

That and Eric Dollard transmits through the ground, who is to say stiffler or a friend many miles away is not transmitting through the ground with a working tesla transmitter?

That is after all how they work is it not?


I think every one must look at the definition of 'Replication'. A Ford(R) is not a Chey(R)
and a Boat is not a Ship so where can anyone with a straight face and moral or intellectual
standing even think of what is being said here. Totally the same mumble jumbo that takes place
when anyone offers something real that can not be built in a kitchen sink with junk box parts.

As stated by Dr. Stiffler for years - 'Forget me and my offerings, move to The Great Tesla's
Work, any success here folks?'

Really you should move on to other things - or 'Replicate' and show the evidence.

Oh yes the cute little icon really puts the point to the facts of what you bring to the table.

I did design work, not copy cat work. sheesh. That and my interest in it is primarily academic, though if something superspectacular fantabulous comes along I might blow the dust off the equipment and give it a whirl.

the worse your ground is, and the smaller your ground wire is the easier it is to use it as an lrc circuit.

That and every ham radio operator knows that you can pick a feed anywhere you want off of an antenna and coil load them anywhere you want as long as you match the z.

Here is a good place to start:

Loading Coils

Taking a shot over tesla's bow certainly serves to further hurt your case than demonstrate it.

I have nothing what so ever against stiffler, and I commend him and everyone else that is doing alternative energy work, and I post information intended to help not hinder. That said if something turns out not to be what it is thought would you rather believe its true and make a fool out of yourself, or is this an effort to determine to what extent it is tru if at all and spend your efforts in the most worthwhile cause?

Welcome to science, if you try to prove something and you did not dot all your t's and cross all your i's someone else will do it for you. I assure you of that.

[minoly]

60 Hz

No a PSEC does not run on 60 Hertz - YouTube

[Kokomoj0]

With all due respect, K & C, above... read what I put at the beginning of the thread.

This thread is for replication attempts, not arguments of validity. No bickering or contemplating, this particular thread is for contributing, collaborating, comparing, and replicating. Period. Do us all favor and delete your comments, to keep this clean. And when you have, I'll delete this note.

With the exception to conradphd's unsubstantiated and unwarranted attack on me personally the previous posts are precisely in conformance with your OP.

@ Slider and All:
I'm still working on this grounds current thing, but, now I see that there is nothing more to this than just Ac leakage, even when using an outside ground only. That is because the hand touching the Av plug is making contact with the Ac leaked current in the house, which goes through ones body, or through the other things available. Same goes for the oscillator.
With the above in mind I'm plugging forward. Although this idea can be used to dimly light leds, it's not what I'm interested in, because when there is no Ac power, there won't be any leds lighting, either. So, what's the point...
If you just turn off the Ac power to your house for a minute, you'll see all the leds will go out. NO USE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE...
As yourself and others are probably already aware of this, the solution is to back track a bit and use the Docs original three coils methods instead, Illusive as it may be.
NickZ

@Nick,

thats too bad, I was really enjoying entertaining the idea that stiffler really had something that could be expanded upon in that area, but I whole heartedly agree, especially for people who are looking to get off grid, why waste time on dead ends when there are other devices to work on to that end.

There are still a couple of areas that I find intriguing however and that is the 1.094 resonance points off center and the harmonics being developed.

excellent work btw

I've been watching Dr. Stiffler's work for about a year, and correct me if I'm wrong, but his demonstrations are getting simpler, and more convincing.

Unfortunately, I do not have signal generators and spectrum analyzers, I'm in Canada... so there are lot of obstacles between me and trying to replicate his effect.

I will say this...

I'm not entirely stupid, I realize the guy could have a 4 ft. Tesla/Slayer type coil behind his back the entire time and thus create the effect for video... but...

Something tells me it's for real. He just doesn't seem to be a phony type of individual, at all. And he's not really trying to market much, beyond offering a board, for a reasonable price.

Has anyone publicly shown to have replicated this?
Has he ever published his circuit.

Anyhow, I find his work to be pretty darn interesting, and I don't know, of course... but I think he seems very genuine.

So having said that, please let's keep this to an informational thread, an actual list of current or past replication attempts strictly based on Ronald's work. I would love to see some other stuff. Please no flames. Thanks.

I believe that I "generously" provided considerable information in my last post to validate testing requirements to have at least the appearance of a conclusive test.

Please review the references and other information I posted previously:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...resources.html

Is that not what you want too?

[conradphd]

With the exception to conradphd's unsubstantiated and unwarranted attack on me personally the previous posts are precisely in conformance with your OP.











I believe that I "generously" provided considerable information in my last post to validate testing requirements to have at least the appearance of a conclusive test.

Please review the references and other information I posted previously:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...resources.html

Is that not what you want too?

*Because Dr. Stiffler - NOT - doc or stiffler or ronald which is in total disrespect of him is not able to post on this forum even though the powers that be have stated otherwise (I) still can and will defend my associate.

Where in this whole thread is even a close (10%) even attempt at a true replication of the Doctors work? Have I missed something.

All that exists here is so called Slayer, JT, Davro, et.al., circuits which are so far removed from the Doctors work that they are totally irreverent.

So be it fellows I leave you to you vises as I must fly back to the great state of Montana.

[conradphd]

I guess we'll have to live with weeding through your comments to get to those contributions that nail down what this thread is about; ATTEMPTS / REPLICATIONS.

Are you asking me what I want, or telling me that what you have given is what I wanted?

I'd like you to please delete the crap, then I'll delete the crap, possibly C will delete the crap and then guess what.

The crap will be gone, and those left, interested, can read a thread not full of arguments, naysaying, stabs = crap. Round two. We've been through this already, have we not?

How does that sound?

I'll go one further:

Pretty please can we all delete the crap.

Kyle.

Maybe you should start a new thread and leave Dr. Stiffler out of it? This whole thread has nothing to do with him or his work and yes, therefore is crap!