Dr Stiffler SEC Replications?

[NickZ]

Slider and All:
I have been reading the posts in the OU Forum under the Dr. Stiffler's Thread, that you recommended. I'm only to page 10 of 197 pages, or so.
It was started back in 2007, and since then it's hard to believe that no one has been able to come up with a true replication of the devices that the Dr. shows. At least not that I can see, though there may have been. They were also going through the same type of discussions, about the input source being radio stations, or other man made signals. Boy, that is a long time to be talking about the same thing, with no replications. Just talk...
So, this device takes the cake, as far as illusiveness goes. Reminds me of the TPU device. And it may have some similarities in how they both work.
I did not get into this thread before because I saw was that they were all using a signal generator as a power source, or power supply, but when He came up with the three coils NO INPUT design, THAT caught my attention. Nor will I let go of this idea, as this is just the start, even after 5 years of posts, and even many more years of His dedicated work towards this goal.
So, Slider, thanks again for the source info from the OU thread, I recommend everyone here to read it, also, if you haven't already been following it before. So, we can all be on the same page and same program. But, maybe just skip through any of their BS, so we don't repeat it again, here.

However, I'm still seeing that people are not aware, or taking note of the house Ac grounds interference noise, and how to avoid it effectively. By isolating the device and it's wires, aluminum blocks, and coils from the AC ground noise. As by just touching the Av plugs (with your feet on the ground), or having ones hands being close by the test is enough to induce this Ac interference or human capacitance into the circuit, or even just by placing the device on a table, with no isolation from that the same table.
The Dr. knows this all too well, but do we? It does not appear so. If we don't take this into consideration, we're still "pissin' into the wind".
This energy runs on the surface of things, all things, almost. I work on a wood table, with a glass sheet on top, and the AC interference still can get through that, especially when there is high humidity present. So, please just be aware to that... so you don't confuse it with the real thing.

[NickZ]

Slider and All:
I have been reading the posts in the OU Forum under the Dr. Stiffler's Thread, that you recommended. I'm only to page 10 of 197 pages, or so.
It was started back in 2007, and since then it's hard to believe that no one has been able to come up with a true replication of the devices that the Dr. shows. At least not that I can see, though there may have been. They were also going through the same type of discussions, about the input source being radio stations, or other man made signals. Boy, that is a long time to be talking about the same thing, with no replications. Just talk...
So, this device takes the cake, as far as illusiveness goes. Reminds me of the TPU device. And it may have some similarities in how they both work.
I did not get into this thread before because I saw was that they were all using a signal generator as a power source, or power supply, but when He came up with the three coils NO INPUT design, THAT caught my attention. Nor will I let go of this idea, as this is just the start, even after 5 years of posts, and even many more years of His dedicated work towards this goal.
So, Slider, thanks again for the source info from the OU thread, I recommend everyone here to read it, also, if you haven't already been following it before. So, we can all be on the same page and same program. But, maybe just skip through any of their BS, so we don't repeat it again, here.

However, I'm still seeing that people are not aware, or taking note of the house Ac grounds interference noise, and how to avoid it effectively. By isolating the device and it's wires, aluminum blocks, and coils from the AC ground noise. As by just touching the Av plugs (with your feet on the ground), or having ones hands being close by the test is enough to induce this Ac interference or human capacitance into the circuit, or even just by placing the device on a table, with no isolation from that the same table.
The Dr. knows this all too well, but do we? It does not appear so. If we don't take this into consideration, we're still "pissin' into the wind".
This energy runs on the surface of things, all things, almost. I work on a wood table, with a glass sheet on top, and the AC interference still can get through that, especially when there is high humidity present. So, please just be aware to that... so you don't confuse it with the real thing.

[NickZ]

Sorry for that double post. It was not showing up at first for some reason.

[Slider2732]

It was not showing up at first for some reason

Much like the info that we are now aware of

Thanks Nick. Really, this thread could go silent for about a week, while we all read the other one !

My own experiments have undergone quite the dramatic location change and certainly will be a lot less likely to 'suffer' from houseborn fields effects.
It's now definitely winter here in Oklahoma and, with that, i've now moved things to our bedroom. We don't have central heat, so have 2 heaters in there and what that especially means, is that the table (with associated wiring etc) that is normally used is removed from experiments.
There's no outside Ground in the bedroom..which might be a good thing.
The PC is on one wall, furthest from where any circuit testing is conducted.
The heaters can be readily turned off to check for emissions induction effects.
Radio waves or cosmic rays or whatever can't be avoided, but that's no different to anywhere or anyone elses tests.
Main thing, my wife is very supportive and doesn't mind flashing lights or circuits running in what should be a place of relaxation

You may have noted the use of ferrite loopsticks by Dr. Stiffler in those earlier pages...
Here's a partially related video I just uploaded, exploring solar garden light charging circuits, but especially the effectiveness of those often disregarded, obsolete components:
Garden Light Charger results - YouTube
To put it one way - if an LED can use just 4mV from a 120mA battery over 29hours - by the introduction of induction resonant loopsticks to an otherwise 150mA hungry Joule Thief, then they would seem to have been a fundamental for the early circuits of Dr. Stiffler's.

[Slider2732]

Signal generators

Been looking online for cheap signal generators and possibly circuits to construct. While a display would be mega handy, I did find this 555 based unit, the Velleman MK105.
The .pdf shows the circuit and, well, for those of us a little monetarily challenged, it's one route for sine, square and triangle outputs:
http://datasheet.octopart.com/MK105-...t-10312182.pdf
(higher than 1kHz frequencies ought to be a simple case of changing C3 and R7)

The kit of the unit is actually only $6 or so plus shipping from: Velleman Sa MK105 Signal Generator Project Kit

Edit - was just looking at this on Ebay, but got stopped by the 2MHz topout of range. Looks cool for the money though:
Deal! Protek B-803 Sweep Function Generator! | eBay
Ya know, this forum needs a Buy/Sell section

[NickZ]

Slider and All:
I've still been reading the previous post at OU, and am now on page 30 or so, but I have not in all those posts really seen anything of much value, that can be used here, or added to what we don't already know. Anyways, I'm still at it, just in case there is something valuable there, and to see what I've been missing in over 5 years of experiments.
I'm still looking to find a way to replicate the three coil set up, as it is the only device that interests me, since it is passive, and not driven. Any ideas as to how to go about it, are welcome.
I will first make the three coils wound on solder tubes, or on hot water 1/2' pvc pipe, and placed elevated, like the bird roost idea, and take it from there. The windings, wire size, and dimensions are what I need to at least to get started on the first L1, and match that to the L2, then match those to the L3 coil. I'll say a few prayers, ... cross my fingers, ok, ok, I know that may not help, but it can't hurt either. Maybe I can write a list, check it twice, and ask Santa to bring me a 18x board, as he does deliver outside of the U.S.
As these different tests PSEC versions are constantly being changed and improved by the Doc , it has been hard to keep up with it, and what to do first. So, back tracking to previous posts may not really be that helpful, now.
One thing that has me puzzled is, why are people still using the AC ground connection, that goes to through the whole AC ground wiring system????? Isn't that cheating oneself. Or is that because that has been the only way they can get any light out of an led. It's hard to believe that that is not going to have an affect the output.

[minoly]

capacitance

this applies to the SEC only partially. Mostly I found it very interesting.

MIT Physics Demo -- Dissectible Capacitor - YouTube


Patrick

[Slider2732]

Will check that vid out, always interesting out of MIT

Nick - I believe there to be much worth in following through the thread some years behind, building, trialing, replicating and most especially learning. k4zep's tiny lab videos are what i've been watching. His 3 coiler is what I think you are referring to...3x steel spaced wound coils. But, yes, indeed, always a Ground. From what I can see, they are completely matched coils. 2 sit side by side and one is off and away a little. Moving the hand near them or interfering otherwise changes the ability of the LED to illuminate..so there's something more than straight Ground currents going on.

You can build an 18X, if you can't grab one by other means (location etc).
You might have seen that Inquorate built up a 'copy' and his worked. Also Lidmotor has built versions that work very well (at least the 15-3 and I 'think' an 18X). I have a circuit pic of what I think was Inquorate's, but unfortunately have no idea where the picture came from or whether it was his replication. As many will have done, I saw, downloaded, moved on with reading
It has the 18X and on top of which are drawn connecting traces for the components. Do I post that ? I don't want to get in any grief.

Related to which, i followed that pic last night and built it up. It was trialed with a 2N3904, but, when powered by a 3.7V Li-ion only flashed the onboard LED. With no 12V source and because we want to move to zero battery, I figured it would have to work on 3.7V somehow.
Well....swapped that out to a PN2222A and things changed for the better. However, to start the circuit up is very weird indeed, so I do need to change out my coils. I have to connect the battery and then connect my multi-meter (?!) to Positive of the battery and to either the top of the L1, or to the Collector of the PN2222A.
The circuit initially powered down when the Positive connection to the multi-meter was removed - which made me wonder about clip leads.
Sure enough, I attached a clip lead to the top of the L1 inductor and then started the circuit by the multi-meter trick - it stayed running
Wireless range is a couple of inches from the self wound L3. An LED will run when connected to the L3 via an AV plug and all in all, i'm very satisfied that more will come from this emulation.
It works weird and I like it.
*update* Now runs with a touch of the L3 pigtail to a metal block, which connects to the L1. I still have to sort it out properly. Height and orientation of the L3 is very important, else sometimes the circuit quits again after starting up.
Once tweaked, the 1meg resistor will go, the trim pot too and the transistor will have its Base disconnected or a diode fitted in its place...to really emulate what we have seen of the PSEC at the circuit level. Then tunings with aluminium blocks etc to try and bring about the self running system.

*Update 2*
@Nick, you can skip to Page 58. Dr. Stiffler goes on vacation over Thanksgiving, people fall out, people explain why they fell out and then progress is made. The 'Thomas oscillator' diagram is posted on Pg 58. Guess which page i'm on lol

[Kokomoj0]

@Nick

this may help

RF Inductance Calculator - HAMwaves.com

[NickZ]

I'll skip to page 58 then, and look into the circuit too.
If I can just get some light on the led on my circuit, I can start to work with it, as that is the only sign I have to see if it's working, and to what degree. I'm trying to get the single led to light without using the AC ground at all, just the outside ground. The led will light if I touch it, but not by itself, so that again is just using the AC ground currents that's running through the floor.
NZ

[Slider2732]

Have you tried a clip lead to one leg of the LED ?
When watching Dr. Stiffler's vids you often hear him talk of offsets etc and see the clip leads arranged 'just so'. Purely the AV plug would be desired, but, there's not enough coming through. It will presumably be an RF component, enough to light without you touching the LED side of the AV plug.
A big heatsink was seen in a recent vid of his, to give a bit of a push to one circuit, so clip lead plus PC heatsink would also be worth trying.

[Slider2732]

Some good news from over here...
My replication of a SEC 18X now runs from 1.5V
The quirky startup method, is now an aluminium block to the trim pot side of the inductor. Either touching the L3 output to the block starts it up, or, the positive of the battery to the block.

Component changes have been:
More mass on the metal block, showing an increase in wireless range, brighter circuit LED and more reliable startup at 3.7V. That translated well down to the 1.5V AA.
L1 is 150uH
L2 is 100uH
L3 is approx 140 winds of 26 gauge on a marker pen barrel
Transistor is a PN2222A
The changes have also meant that the wireless output doesn't quit now when the testing LED is sat right on the L3.
I want to move back to spec, but also wish to see what does what and why and how it affects running
Current draw is 10mA on the 3.7V Li-ion, 3.1mA on the AA.

[NickZ]

Slider:
I tried your suggestion of using the clip lead, as well as the aluminum block to fire up the led in the Av plug. Although I did get a little glow from the Av plug without me having to touch it, I soon lost it, not to be found again. Illusive as hell... but it did give me hope, to see the led on, by itself.
Since nobody has been able to reproduce the effect without adding juice to the 18x circuit, I don't feel so bad.
I believe that everyone, possibly including Dr. Stiffler is using the Ac grounds
current to help fire the led(s), or am I wrong? I would change my mind when someone gets this working outside their house, and without batteries, without using the Ac ground connection in their equipment, as I don't consider that Passive.
On the other hand Slayer, JohhnyDavro, and others, are obtaining amazing results with very very low draw on their batteries. I'm hoping to use my quartz/carbon cells to give the circuit the push that it needs, although it may take more mA than those cells can provide for the kick start. Glad to see that you (Slider) are using only an AA to get the circuit going.

My outside ground connection to the Ac ground wiring is only giving me 0.3 to 0.6 volts, and no mA., and still lighting an led, so there is alot to learn about this. But I'm not going to use the Ac ground to make this work.
I'm continuing to read the OU posts, I'm now on page 58.

[Slider2732]

A quote from EMDevices, on that page:

A single wire has a capacitance per unit length and an inductance per unit length. It's a transmission line, and at certain frequencies, where the wavelength is just right it becomes a very effective ANTENNA.
So, if you tune to a resonant frequency, even though you have one wire, you will increase the current flow, and yes, the LED's will light up with very little current !!!

He then says the power is coming from the Frequency Generator.
Agreed up to that time of posting. Perhaps because that is a source for tunings not yet derived and shown later by Dr. Stiffler.

A uA solar garden light experiment here, now having run for a week with only mV losses (no solar cell of course and Ni-MH cells naturally drop over time) is pointing at those principles EMDevices described...but is intended to use those very antenna properties.
Any device with 3 coils within will emit frequencies. Each coil in a PSEC will work like any powered coil, throwing out waves. Capture those specific emitted frequencies, exactly like tuning a radio in and you can use those antenna captured waves to feed the system. It's closed, or is it open in a different way ? The feedback is part of the circuit itself. Waves radiate, those waves come back in.
Feedback itself can be a ramping resonance condition, just picture a squealing microphone next to a speaker. Also, what happens when that microphone is at different distances and angles to the speaker.
I foresee better results with larger self wound coils than little PCB salvaged inductors - mass being crucial to capturing emissions. Each coil is also going to be an antenna for a frequency and yet that doesn't mean capturing the BBC World Service !

[Inquorate]

replicating dr stifflers exciters is touch and go. there is a fine line between shaking electrons in the area haphazardly and getting an rf field, or getting enough feedback between the circuit and the electrons to shake the atomic lattice in straight lines from the battery to the coil to the surrounding mass. that's when she clicks in in earnest.

many a frustrating hour have I spent...

while you guys are reading you should read the heretical thread and all linked documents.

good luck slider