water wheel power

[rickoff]

@stealth: Gee, that's too bad he is against sharing. It is hard to imagine tht anyone could get a patent on anything concerning water wheel technology, as just about anything that's possible must have already been done at one time or another. The pictures of the other water wheels are interesting, though. The larger one must be about 25 feet in diameter, and has quite a heavy duty shaft. The smaller wooden wheel could not possibly put out nearly as much torque, but because of the wide design can utilize more flowage to drive it. I would suspect that the curved plates attached to the larger wheel produce a more efficient driving force than the flat boards of the wooden wheel.

[rickoff]

Last Wednesday I was at the new property to stow a load of boxed items I had hauled there in my pickup truck. I ended up having a little time to spare, so took a walk down to the stream with my video camera, starting at the point where my northern property border crosses the stream, and then working my way upstream towards the eastern boundary. The sky was heavily overcast, and no doubt that is why the video looks rather drab. It was rather difficult weaving my way through the tangled and densely overgrown brush, but was worth the effort. Unfortunately, I ran out of videotape before I had walked half the length of the stream, but at that point it started raining so I would have quit anyways. I knew I was low on tape, so wanted to concentrate on the section of the stream that is closest to the house. I think you will agree that there are definitely possibilities for developing hydro power on this stream. Here's the video link.

Rick

[jibbguy]

BTW i think those figures for "pressure" do not take into account the weight of water in the reservoir behind it; they appear to be only based on the pipe diameter as if there was just barely enough water to cover over the pipe head without sucking air.

[nueview]

hi Rick
it looks like the area at 3:47 on the video is promissing and like there is some possible head to the stream in the last bit but that could be the camera angle but it looked like about 5 foot of drop with some small rapids.
a form to focus the water there and you could probably have an all electric house.
Martin

[rickoff]

@nueview: You may be right about the drop. I remember saying initially that there was a total drop of perhaps 5 feet over the full course of the stream as it runs through my property, and I made that assumption based upon elevation readings I took in Google Earth. I don't think those readings were accurate. I do have a laser transit level and a surveyor's grade rod which I used last year at my cottage property, and when I have some time on my hands I will measure off 100 foot sections along the stream and determine just how much drop there actually is. The stream section viewed at 3:37 elapsed time does appear to be a likely candidate and, as it happens, is also the closest section to my house, being about 200 feet or so from it.

@Stealth: Yes, with span widths of 40 feet and more there is quite a bit of water moving through the stream. This is probably about the slowest period of the year, and I can envision quite a torrent sweeping through during spring runoff. Once I get the scrub brush out of the way and clear the deadwood from the banks and stream, this will be a picturesque vista.

[erfinder]

Reduced drag generator concept to be driven by water wheel

Hello,

This is my first post in this thread, I find the topic extremely interesting and have a few simple questions, and an indirect suggestion/recommendation.

What are your feelings regarding the use of a drag reduced generator for power production, with the water wheel serving as the prime mover?

I have found that the all too familiar pulse motor circuits discussed in detail on a few threads on this forum, when configured in the correct manner make wonderful reduced drag generators.....in some instances, and by no means all instances energy extraction requires that one get a little creative, the fact that we are here discussing alternatives is a testament to the fact that none here are lacking in the creativity department.....

When considering the first question, one tends to ask oneself whether such an undertaking is worth the time and effort, as the present construction methods of these pulse motors is such that the devices aren't designed to be operated harsh environments. This leads me to ask two additional questions.

Has anyone modified a brushless fan to operate on the pulse motor circuit (Bedini SG circuit)?

Anyone who answered with "yes", have you considered modifying larger brushless motors?

It was demonstrated some time ago that these pulse circuits can be applied to conventional brusless motors (ie. fan kits)... Many including myself have modified brushless PC fans and larger brushless fans to operate on the pulsed circuit. I went even farther and modified other motor types including but not limited to three phase motors. To my dismay, it was discovered that many motors cannot operate as "motors" owing to geometry and other way over my head issues, however, nearly all can be used as a generator, and not just any generator, a "pulsing" drag reduced generator, or what I would like to call...well.....a magneto, or as its presently called, an energizer, driven by a water wheel instead of being powered by a battery.....

It must be pointed out that the generator output is limited only by ones imagination and ingenuity.

In case the question is asked...

Yes...I am positive that the modified motors work as pulsing generators...anyone can verify this, simply step outside of the box that you stepped into when you took an interest in the circuit in question. I have not driven the modified motor with a water wheel....not yet.... I have nothing worthy of demonstrating presently, many show their work regardless of its state of development, I won't do that...either my best or nothing at all. I hope to have some images eventually and maybe a video or two showing that what I have stated is true. Till then please be patient with me. I hope this was of interest and or help to someone.

Regards

[willy96]

i have worked many years in this feild and have found easyer less expencive ways to acheive useable power .. the water flows so it can be utilized


my simple floating water wheel design is nothng more than a cable spool
where there 24 paddles joining the 2 circles and the entire wheel is out of the water only the paddles enter the current of the streem on this wheel is a pully bigger the better at least 24" off this pully is the car alt ..

this can be adapted many ways easly build what steve. explains above useing this design wheels are 42 " across could easly place hundreds of magnets and coils on a single unit ...

you could then have low voltage generator coils to power the pm circuits so NO BATTERIES ARE REQUIRED PEROID the pm circuits are set to ring the output coils wich are triggered as a magnet passes it ...

i can make the output up to 1000's of volts and input as low as .5vdc

i have built many many things useing this style of creative thinking

steve have you seen this video ? i developed this coil and modified a pm circuit .. my pluser runs .6 ma 3.6ma at 12vdc putting out 70vdc high freq!

the secondary .. spews plasma ...
and im not even passing a magnet past the coil ...

WHOLE LOTTA LOVE! - YouTube
here is my most basic pluse motor design.. this can be added with ease to a water wheel

ist pluse motor triligy!

IST PULSE MOTOR PART 1 - YouTube
IST PULSE MOTOR PART #2 - YouTube
IST PULSE MOTOR #3 NO BATTERY - YouTube


W

[erfinder]

i have worked many years in this feild and have found easyer less expencive ways to acheive useable power .. the water flows so it can be utilized


my simple floating water wheel design is nothng more than a cable spool
where there 24 paddles joining the 2 circles and the entire wheel is out of the water only the paddles enter the current of the streem on this wheel is a pully bigger the better at least 24" off this pully is the car alt ..

this can be adapted many ways easly build what steve. explains above useing this design wheels are 42 " across could easly place hundreds of magnets and coils on a single unit ...

you could then have low voltage generator coils to power the pm circuits so NO BATTERIES ARE REQUIRED PEROID the pm circuits are set to ring the output coils wich are triggered as a magnet passes it ...

i can make the output up to 1000's of volts and input as low as .5vdc

i have built many many things useing this style of creative thinking

steve have you seen this video ? i developed this coil and modified a pm circuit .. my pluser runs .6 ma 3.6ma at 12vdc putting out 70vdc high freq!

the secondary .. spews plasma ...
and im not even passing a magnet past the coil ...

WHOLE LOTTA LOVE! - YouTube
here is my most basic pluse motor design.. this can be added with ease to a water wheel

ist pluse motor triligy!

IST PULSE MOTOR PART 1 - YouTube
IST PULSE MOTOR PART #2 - YouTube
IST PULSE MOTOR #3 NO BATTERY - YouTube


W

Whats going on in that third video.. Are you going to upload a schematic?

[willy96]

the schem is showen in the movie above at time 3:46


it is easly done .... long coil air core .. 1 db107 bridge 1 reed 1 cap 1pf

that is all there is to it .. spinn by hand to start it .. the copper disc is 10 lbs ... its a hpg! - the brushes

W

[garrypm]

Any chance of some detail on the HPG and brushes?

Thanks, Garry

[willy96]

Any chance of some detail on the HPG and brushes?

Thanks, Garry

well a hpg is a generator with almost no backtorque .. when power is extracted there is no counter work to beat .. so the hpg is a great choise

brushes are easly found to build a toy like this . a vaccumme cleaner motor is a good source for good sized brushes the brushes will cause the motor to spinn less fast as the drag on the copper disc from the contact of the brushes

this is the easyest way to extract power from the hpg ..

i have built a bucking hpg years back ! useing alum insted of copper

results are fair !

W

[garrypm]

Thanks for that.

So are you saying this selfrunning device (IST #3 video) is really a HPG?

Garry

[willy96]

i personally think you guys are gonna waste your dow ! but that choise is yours

just telling ya ... i live on a river where i can legally dam the river .. it is on the deed as it was a heratige old mill ... did i? no i did not .. no need

you know if i was to plop my floating water wheels in the river with only magnets and coils ... no belts nothing to break .. i could litterly put hundreds and hundreds .. in about 1 day of work .. then i could pull them from the river in the fall b4 the ice ...

agin why all the work ?

W

you know i could use a power source be it what ever ... and a large transformer .. and make more power than the river and nothing to move around .. or no big money outlay ..

but do as you will !

[willy96]

Thanks for that.

So are you saying this selfrunning device (IST #3 video) is really a HPG?

Garry

yes it is

i do say this in the video .. told ya i solved hundreds of free energy devices and designed hundreds more !

and its joke! its damm simple .. just like my first water turbine shattering horse power ! simple joke ... proves there sicience is quite flawed

W

anyhow this is not my thred and i dont discourage any one to try new things .. but dont waste a tonne of money changeing the land scape when there is no need !

[Savvypro]

I will give question then answer i have, can anyone confirm

Water falls on the blades to allow rotation. This water falls from 100m wrt blades. Assume no losses in energy conversion. Initial vertical velocity is zero.

Calculate: -

a) velocity of water when it strikes the blades 9 [v^(2)= (u^(2))+2as] transposed v = sqrt((u^(2))+2as)

b) Mass of water flowing per second to generate 20kW (honestly not sure what forumla to use)

I know k= r/sqrt2 and J = mk^(2) for iput into KE(rot) = (1/2)Jw^(2)??????

c) RPM if combined wheel and gene had Radius of gyration of 3m and mass of 120kg

d) State and explain 2 reasons why the flow of water required togenerate the given power needs to be greater than given in a and b

For b the equation you may be looking for is shown at: The Josef Hasslberger page: Technology

See half way down in the "Calculation" section:

The electrical energy that can be obtained from water is calculated on the basis of the velocity of flow and the mass of the water, i.e. magnitude of flow measured in cubic meters per second, according to the formula

E kin = m/2 * v^2 (kw)

An example, assuming a velocity of 25 m/sec and a mass of 5 cubic meters per second:

5 / 2 = 2.5 * 25 * 25 = 1562.5 kw

Basically in the example above: if you can get a stream which has a flow of 5 cubic meters per second. And increase the velocity to 25 m/sec (by narrowing the path the water takes and then through a funnel), you could produce over 1.5MW of power.

To produce 20kW wouldn't take that much volume of water and velocity increase. 1 cubic meters per second of volume, increased to a velocity of 6.5 m/sec would give you: 21.13kW