On grid system with magnetic motor

[michelmagraner]

Hi everyone!

I whant to intall an on grid system at home, but instead of using the wind mill I'm thinking to dismount the fan from it, and connect the generator to a magnetic motor. I think I'll do fine with a 3000W output system. Now my question is....What pieces (inverter, controller, ongrid windmill or ongrid generator) do you reccommend me to use, to do this?

Or if you have a better solution or configuration... please share! I'm all ears

Thanks a lot in advanced!

[ewizard]

Do you have a magnetic motor capable of turning a generator? At least 5 HP? I'm going to take a guess that you don't have such a critter because if you did you probably wouldn't have to be asking the other questions. I think the magnetic motor will be your biggest difficulty because no one around here that I know of has one working that can drive a generator that would put out anything close to 3000 watts. I do believe there are a couple around but very hard to build and very expensive to construct at this time. Otherwise most people wouldn't be here looking for alternate energy solutions as we would already have it. If you want a basic system that can generate real usable power for a home then wind or solar or a combination of both is a fairly good way to go. There are a lot of things in the wings right now that might replace wind and solar in the near future but at this moment they are not readily available or anything remotely affordable. If you have seen some of the phony ads that say Mag-Gen or other books being sold that claim you can run your home from a magnetic generator then run fast and hold onto your wallet because I haven't seen one yet that is anything but a scam. Hope that helps some. And to EF

[michelmagraner]

Thanks a lot for your quick and usefull answer Ewizard! very instructive! You're right about I'm just starting in this world of free energy, and I'm not an electrician or so, I'm a web designer, so any advise will be most wellcome. Now, how about a Bedini motor? or Newman motor? I've seen some videos showing this motors charging a fair group of batteries. Would it be possible to build a system formed by one of this motors, per se the 10 coil Bedini energizer + a controller + a group of batteries + an inverter? My problem is that I'm cuban living in Mexico (Cancun) and here the eolic or solar conventional systems are excessively expensive, more like unaffordable for me, so I'm looking at some alternatives here.

Another Idea that occured to me was to build a generator like the one used in a mag-lev Vawt turbine, but to attach a magnetic motor to it instead of the turbine. Do you think that would be possible?

Thanks a lot in advanced!
Michel.

Do you have a magnetic motor capable of turning a generator? At least 5 HP? I'm going to take a guess that you don't have such a critter because if you did you probably wouldn't have to be asking the other questions. I think the magnetic motor will be your biggest difficulty because no one around here that I know of has one working that can drive a generator that would put out anything close to 3000 watts. I do believe there are a couple around but very hard to build and very expensive to construct at this time. Otherwise most people wouldn't be here looking for alternate energy solutions as we would already have it. If you want a basic system that can generate real usable power for a home then wind or solar or a combination of both is a fairly good way to go. There are a lot of things in the wings right now that might replace wind and solar in the near future but at this moment they are not readily available or anything remotely affordable. If you have seen some of the phony ads that say Mag-Gen or other books being sold that claim you can run your home from a magnetic generator then run fast and hold onto your wallet because I haven't seen one yet that is anything but a scam. Hope that helps some. And to EF

[ewizard]

Michel, I'm not up to speed on some things in this field as much as some other members are although I've been following it for about 20 years and I know most of what is available and being researched. I'll put it this way -- if there was something I could build or buy that would provide most of my energy needs or largely get me off the grid and it was affordable and would last long enough to be economically a good choice I would have such a device or system. By affordable I would say something around $2000, $3000 or maybe up to $4000 that would last without further expense in such a way that it would be less money than paying traditional energy bills. I actually might be open to something that exceeded traditional bills by a small amount as I don't trust the grid will always be reliable in the future. But I don't have any such system. I think there are a handful of people who do but they are laying low. The Rossi E-Cat system seems to be moving forward in a way that may make it available in the near future. But it may likely only be sold as a water heater and thus you would need to provide a steam powered turbine hooked to a generator to get electric power. That actually would probably not be that difficult but at this time I think it would take more money than a DIY solar or wind system. I think a lot of things are currently on the edge of breakthroughs though and it's possible a DIY project with a reasonable cost may be coming in the near future. Just keep your eyes and ears open here and overunity.com. Best of luck.

[MICHAEL77]

hi all

i think u should at dyi solar it is cheaper and more reliable i get poli cell 6in by 6 i pound from america about 50 most broken i use secondhand glass well sorry the cells are 85 american dollars and 30 shipping to australia

[142857]

So you want to

take power from the grid to power a magnet motor to run a generator to feed back to the grid?

good luck

[Kokomoj0]

Hi everyone!

I whant to intall an on grid system at home, but instead of using the wind mill I'm thinking to dismount the fan from it, and connect the generator to a magnetic motor. I think I'll do fine with a 3000W output system. Now my question is....What pieces (inverter, controller, ongrid windmill or ongrid generator) do you reccommend me to use, to do this?

Or if you have a better solution or configuration... please share! I'm all ears

Thanks a lot in advanced!

Kool if you find one that works let me know!

[mbrownn]

take power from the grid to power a magnet motor to run a generator to feed back to the grid?

good luck

Craaaaazy

If you dont understand what makes a motor work then sure it is crazy.

What makes a motor turn is magnetism and what gives the magnetism is current running through a coil. The magnetic force comes from ampere turns so the more ampere turns the more force. When we have speed added to force we have power.

So a motor that has 10 amps going through its coils will have a given ammount of power, if we put 20 amps through it will have double the power at the same speed.

With electricity it is volts times amps that gives the power, notice volts are not part of the equasion in the motor. We need to increase the amps without the volts

The reason we need volts is to overcome resistance so it makes sense to build motors with as low a resistance as possible. Now we have a motor which can have high current almost regardless of voltage. At this stage we still do not have more power out than we put in electrically

Now to achive the more power out than we put in we have to recycle. when we pulse a coil at the correct speed we can recover most of the power we put in by collecting the inductive kickback, remember the energy we put in has already passed through the motor and that has been lost. The inductive kickback is then collected in a capacitor but it is less than what we put in so we have to top it up a little before we use that capacitor to power the next pulse. By doing this, the effect is to power the losses and not the load, so a 70% efficient 100w motor can be running at 100w with us only putting in 30w.

As the current we put in had passed through the motor this Inductive kickback must be new current generated by the field collapse in the coil.

If you understand what I am saying you will see that by placing a generator on that motor you can indeed make a self running motor.

Voltage is only relevent to overcome resistance and it is current we need for a motor. Current can be recycled by collecting inductive kickback. Effectively it is possible to run a motor by providing enough energy to overcome its losses.

[142857]

Craaaaazy

If you dont understand what makes a motor work then sure it is crazy.

What makes a motor turn is magnetism and what gives the magnetism is current running through a coil. The magnetic force comes from ampere turns so the more ampere turns the more force. When we have speed added to force we have power.

So a motor that has 10 amps going through its coils will have a given ammount of power, if we put 20 amps through it will have double the power at the same speed.

With electricity it is volts times amps that gives the power, notice volts are not part of the equasion in the motor. We need to increase the amps without the volts

The reason we need volts is to overcome resistance so it makes sense to build motors with as low a resistance as possible. Now we have a motor which can have high current almost regardless of voltage. At this stage we still do not have more power out than we put in electrically

Now to achive the more power out than we put in we have to recycle. when we pulse a coil at the correct speed we can recover most of the power we put in by collecting the inductive kickback, remember the energy we put in has already passed through the motor and that has been lost. The inductive kickback is then collected in a capacitor but it is less than what we put in so we have to top it up a little before we use that capacitor to power the next pulse. By doing this, the effect is to power the losses and not the load, so a 70% efficient 100w motor can be running at 100w with us only putting in 30w.

As the current we put in had passed through the motor this Inductive kickback must be new current generated by the field collapse in the coil.

If you understand what I am saying you will see that by placing a generator on that motor you can indeed make a self running motor.

Voltage is only relevent to overcome resistance and it is current we need for a motor. Current can be recycled by collecting inductive kickback. Effectively it is possible to run a motor by providing enough energy to overcome its losses.

I have to disagree and say that you have a long winded way of claiming that you could in fact "create" energy....

Just because you think you can make a self running machine doesn't mean you can...I wish you could/would....but I don't think ya can....don't believe anybody has.....and there is no natural system that exibits said effects. (unless of course if you make believe that the universe works in a manner contrary to the evidence.)

footnote: http://scientopia.org/blogs/galactic...logy-is-wrong/

[Guruji]

Magnet motor

Michel yes it can be done with a powerful magnet motor but I don't know where to buy this it has to be built. Perendev or Hutchson motor can do the job .On the internet there's alot of info how to build one but it's not that simple or if you know a good engineer he can build it for you.
Bedini has no torque but if you try window motor can run a generator.
Regards.

[142857]

Michel yes it can be done with a powerful magnet motor but I don't know where to buy this it has to be built. Perendev or Hutchson motor can do the job .On the internet there's alot of info how to build one but it's not that simple or if you know a good engineer he can build it for you.
Bedini has no torque but if you try window motor can run a generator.
Regards.

What the heck....yes you can do it? but you can't buy it....never actually been done....but sure, you can build it.....

This is horrible misinformation.....just like religion.....just believe you can.


NO.....NO

there is NO magnet motor ever proven to "create" more energy than it takes to run it.

it requires energy to run a magnet motor. NO motor anywhere makes more energy than it uses ...... magnet or otherwise.

[Farmhand]

Firstly I would like to say I have no interest in self runners, I don't see the
point to it.

No human will ever understand everything. Ever, there will always be mystery.

We can harness energy, as we already do. We can do it in different ways, by
using fission reactors, or solar panels and windmills. The energy itself is never
paid for, Only the means to harness and store it are "paid" for. Energy is free.

My definition of free is tied to money and if no money is involved it's free.

Eg. if I "find" a solar panel and battery I can have free energy and free
equipment to harness it. If I buy a solar panel and battery I have paid for
equipment but the energy I harness is still free.

If I put the paid for solar panel in the cupboard I have a paid for free energy
device in the cupboard not harnessing any free energy. If I set it up in the
sun to harness energy I then have a paid for free energy device gathering
free energy.

It defies belief that people could think that if all money was to vanish from
the earth we could harness no energy.

To me my time is free. I don't need to pay myself to do stuff.

Below is a quote from the linked Blog. For some reason he see's no reason to
explain exactly what gravity is. What is gravity exactly ? And what is dark
matter ? Is dark matter really "matter" or is it something else ? It would seem
to me if dark matter is really "matter" it wouldn't be so difficult to detect.

The guy in the blog has an opinion, that's all he has. Unless he can explain
gravity and dark matter and prove his theory's that is.

http://scientopia.org/blogs/galactic...logy-is-wrong/

Universe and the magnetic fields of objects (or even the objects themselves, as they'll often decide, for instance, that comets must have a substantial electric charge) make significant contributions to the motion of objects that mainstream astronomy is able to explain entirely through gravity.

What really is a waste of time is trying to understand stuff we don't need to
understand, things humans can never understand. Beyond the scope of human
understanding is how I put it. Seems to me a lot of stuff people think they
know is just that what they "think" they know.

If we all stopped trying to understand the things that can't help our situation
and started putting all the human resources into bettering what we do here
on Earth rather than building multi billion dollar circular "rail guns" (CERN) and
such things then we could all be comfortable and have a clean environment
with spare time to create even more things to benefit us.

Big science has done nothing for me except ruin my health and my
environment and steal my free time (taxes). If we didn't need to pay taxes to
support all the parasites who actually do no physical labor to feed themselves
and live of the "juice" of society then we would need to earn less money and
we would have more free time.

Our life is about free time to spend how we please, not money. Our own free
time is the only thing we should try to increase not the amount of money or
stuff we can call ours till it's taken from us by a parasite.

Cheers

[mbrownn]

I have to disagree and say that you have a long winded way of claiming that you could in fact "create" energy....

Just because you think you can make a self running machine doesn't mean you can...I wish you could/would....but I don't think ya can....don't believe anybody has.....and there is no natural system that exibits said effects. (unless of course if you make believe that the universe works in a manner contrary to the evidence.)

footnote: http://scientopia.org/blogs/galactic...logy-is-wrong/

I never said I was creating anything, I said recycling.

No one denies that putting current through a motor will result in mechanical power. No one denies that if you pulse a motor you can recover a proportion of the current from inductive kickback. Normally this inductive kickback is shorted through the motor with a diode which, depending upon the circuit used, can significantly improve the motor efficiency. The normal use of this inductive kickback consumes 100% of the recovered current. what I propose is to use the current to power the motor in the same way but instead of shorting it I will collect it and use it again.

There is nothing new or mythical about what I am doing and it has been done before but he method for doing it has been lost, I just figured out how it was done that is all.

An arbitrary figure of 746 watts has has been given for conversion of electrical power into mechanical horsepower, I say arbitrary because it has never been proven that the electrical power was converted to mechanical. Indeed as we can recover much of this power it proves that this figure is not correct.

Being skeptical is not a bad thing but instead of saying it cant be done, you should ask me how can it be done? In my posts I am trying to explain just that.

Like you I was skeptical until I studied how motors work and PWM motor control in particular. The clues are all there.

I will say it again, all the current I put in passes through the motor and is lost, so the inductive kickback must be new current and it is generated by the field collapse. I created nothing. Both the current I put in and the inductive kickback current cause magnetism and therefore mechanical power in the motor. I cannot do anything about the current that passed through the motor but I can collect the inductive kickback and use it to power the next pulse.

Yes it can be done with magnet motors, the trick is to get the magnets to switch. The simplest way is the magnetic wankle engine with a Bedini pulsed keeper. This has already been proven and patented.

[gene gene]

@ mbrownn,

Could you provide a link to the magnetic wankle engine patents? I have not seen this and would like to take a look.
Thanks, Gene

[mbrownn]

@ mbrownn,

Could you provide a link to the magnetic wankle engine patents? I have not seen this and would like to take a look.
Thanks, Gene

Hmmmmm I did a quick search for it and all the links are broken

Try searching "The Takahashi Magnetic Motor"

There is a basic drawing here The Tom Bearden Website

I think it may be more efficient although less powerful if run in attraction mode