NASA Technology in our Home & Barn

[muttdogg]

NASA garbage

To all,
Now you're in one of my areas of expertise. First off 120 degrees in a well insulated attic, with radiant barrier paint or foil, will easily easily translate to a 35 degree first floor difference. Or, whatever floor is beneath the attic. I am not saying not to try this "product from NASA," just be very wary of the claims.
A well designed house will offer more benefits than any after market "fix."
One of the worst things I have seen, when people try to cut down on the cost of heating and cooling, they make the mistake of not understanding how "good" houses should be built. As in: Is the house properly oreinted to the sun? Is the landscaping such that the trees provide shade in the summer, and block the cold winds in the winter?
Painting a roof? Why? Is it too cold, or too hot? No product will do both. Common sense. In the north, if you must, paint it dark, in the south paint it light. There are probably a thousand things I could reccomend, but a ceramic additive to paint would not be one of them.
My house is about 2500 square feet. Want to know how much caulk I used? One tube. Why? Over sealing a house is like suffocating yourself. Where is the daily expansion and contraction going to show up? Yep. All those joints you have sealed. This "paint company" reminds me of the dopes that sold 7-layer paint. Never have to paint again! No doggie-poo, your house will rot from the inside out before you have a chance to paint again. Not to mention the termites and ants you won't see.
Radiant barrier paint was tried for twenty years before it was sold to the public. This stuff? Class of four-thirty. Please stay away from products with little history.
Dan

[Aaron]

insulating the attic

Hi Rhozzi,

If you have easy access to your attic, I'd definitely also put the foil radiant barrier across the insulation.

[Aaron]

heat additive test

Many of us actually did various tests painting this additive even one layer on wood, sheetrock, etc...and put heat lamps, etc... and there were significant temperature drops when measuring the temp on the back side every time so it definitely works. With two coats, it works better.

These were all side-by-side tests with wood, etc... that was simply painted without the additive mixed into it. With the additive always had the lower temperature.

[muttdogg]

Heat test

HeyAaron,
AAArrrrgggh. So what? Save two dollars to spend two thousand? The house is a box, expanding and contracting twice a day. Know how many times I have had to fix some stupid new product after five years. Nah. Never mind. You are gonna screw up any way. Then you'll pay someone like me to fix it. Nah. You'll pay for another quick fix, "new" product, bunch of garbage.
Call me when you are interested in doing it properly.
Dan

[future pather]

md,

I don't see how applied paint can cause a house to loose any air leaks it may have. Possibly in the walls and ceilings but I don't think those are the usual places air leaks occur.

The point of the paint is to stop radiant heat.


Jessica

[muttdogg]

house leaks

Hey Jessica,
It isn't that this paint will stop leaks, it is the bond to the substrate that is my concern. Certainly this stuff may work for a couple of years. Then what? What happens when this stuff cures? Paint should only be used as a coloring, not as any barrier to external elements.
I live in Houston, that doesn't mean I know eveybody ay NASA.Even though I did work at Richard Johnson"s house. But I do see alot of "NASA APPROVED" products. It means nothing. NASA does not endorse any products.
Also, if you look at this HY-tech paint web site, you will see no connection to NASA. They probably don't even know what the acronym NASA stands for.
Put this junk on a small area, wait five years, then see what happens.
I am looking out for your most expensive investment, your home. And, yes I do care, no matter who you are. These rip-offs selling unproven products, are the scourge of the construction industry, along with lousy builders, seamy lenders, and, the worst, architects and designers. They make me look bad.
Dan

[Aaron]

NASA Endorses Hy Tech Ceramic Paint Additive

Actually, NASA is very much behind the product. In 2003, NASA featured HyTech as one of the top spin off technologies.
http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinoff2003/er_4.html

When a NASA technology makes it into commercialization, they endorse it big time. NASA does develop good technologies even though the ultimate solutions are keep quiet but one thing endorsing these technologies does is give the public some sort of feeling that their tax dollars are going to something legitimate that serves the public.

In 2007, they featured Insuladd: Testimonials I've seen is that it doesn't work as good as HyTech, but nevertheless, NASA endorses it.
Additive Transforms Paint into Insulation

I do my research.

This additive does NOT hurt anything and is simply made of ceramic. I added it to Kilz primer before painting, which I had to paint anyway and nothing got painted except for what normally gets painted. It is inert, harmless and will last for years. It will NOT start chipping or peeling...ceramic microspheres with a vacuum inside...as small as dust added to the paint is a good idea, it works and the temperature is reduced beyond what normal good insulation does.

The house can contract and expand all it wants, the primer with this additive behind the paint is unaffected by this.

Radiant Heat Gain and Loss in a home is about 85-90% of all the gain and loss. Conductive or convective is only about 10-15%. MOST of the money is put into insulation and methods to prevent conduction or convective gain loss. So most money is put into dealing with the smallest problem. The least money (radiant barriers) is put into dealing with a majority of the problem.

In the wintertime, when heating the inside of a home, besides door or window leakage and other leakages around pipes coming through walls, trim to basement, etc... and all other obvious places, a good portion of the heat generated in a home is lost directly through the ceiling. This is just long time known information that is nothing new...and with plenty of thermal imaging cam shots that I have seen to prove the obvious, there is no doubt as to the loss of heat through the ceiling.

With ceramic paint additive in the primer under the paint, any of the heat radiating upwards from a fireplace insert, etc... will hit the additive and will reflect off of it preventing much of the radiant loss through the ceiling. It works. The #1 way for people to start saving money on home energy costs is simple....keep in what you want and keep out what you don't. This is because home heating and cooling account, depending on where you are and what your electronic lifestyle is, accounts for two of the top 4 energy expenditures in a home. Electricity for other uses if your heating and cooling even come from it is another and hot water is the other. So, reducing heating and cooling energy use by keeping what you make and keeping out what you don't want is the #1 thing to take the largest chunk out of en energy bill...and with radiant heat loss accounting for over 85% of this, is only makes financial sense to keep radiant heat gain out of the house and keep in heat that you make in the winter.

I have spent literally hundreds if not thousands of hours researching this exact topic because it interested me. I have builder friends I talk to, I not only read books - I study them, I visit websites and put the info through very strict mind filters, I actually do the experiments and I apply what I learn and it pays off. I am very well aware of how to filter out the nonsense.

Before I ever moved into my house, I got the last 5 years records from the electric company on past electric bill usage, I got the last 3 years Banner Oil fuel bills for the main heating system here to see what the usage is, I even know the average unit of water usage here the last few years before I moved in, even though water usage is the most difficult to get an average on because there are way more variables than electric, oil or otherwise.

From what I have already experienced, my power usage has dropped significantly...also, all past electric bills show the exact average daily temp for the months so I can take that into account.

My next step is to put radiant foil across my rafters in the attic to even prevent my attic from getting so hot. This cheap solution can drop attic temps as much as 80 cooler than without and is easier to apply that paint on a roof. Even the DOE admits the effectiveness of aluminum radiant barriers as they have 97% reflectivity and 3% emmise no matter what hits it...those #s stay the same and DOE doesn't even consider a radiant barrier to even be a real radiant barrier unless it is 90% reflective.






NASA's Publication Spinoff
Spinoff is NASA's annual premiere publication featuring successfully commercialized NASA technology.
For more than 40 years, the NASA Commercial Technology Program has facilitated the transfer of NASA technology to the private sectors. The resulting commercialization has contributed to the development of commercial products and services in the fields of health and medicine, industry, consumer goods, computer technology, and environment. Through distribution and outreach activities, NASA technology has benefited global competition and the economy. Since 1976, Spinoff has featured between 40 and 50 of these commercial products annually and this year has selected
Hy-Tech Thermal Solutions,LLC of Melbourne, Florida and their Innovative, Energy Saving, Insulating Ceramics for Paints and Coatings.

[muttdogg]

Disclaimer

Hey Aaron,
Please read the disclaimer. These sites and this magazine have no relation to NASA. NASA is a government agency. By law NASA may not endorse any product. Look-up NASA.gov.
Look, if this stuff works in the long run, fine. My job, as a former remodeler, and all around nice guy, is to show you, and anybody else, people not in the business of home remodeling should be very wary of products claiming to be associated with government agencies, TV shows, or radio hosts, when the aforementioned groups or individuals have never endorsed the product.
By the way, the radiant barrier paint works much better than the foil. And it needs to be sprayed on the underside of the roof. Spreading it across the rafters is a waste of time and materials. Soffit vents, and ridge vents will do more than all the insulation and radiant barriers you install.
Don't try beat mother nature, she always wins. If it is hot deal with it. Same with cold. Using your house to do something other than what it is designed to do makes you penny wise and pound foolish. Here is the most energy saving tip I can give you; stop using your clothes dryer and dishwasher. Both waste 90% of the energy used.
Dan

[future pather]

Ok Dan,

This time I had to look it up regarding dishwashers :

"Dishwashers More Efficient Than Hand Washing
Scientists at the University of Bonn [pdf] in Germany who studied the issue found that the dishwasher uses only half the energy, one-sixth of the water, and less soap than hand-washing an identical set of dirty dishes. Even the most sparing and careful washers could not beat the modern dishwasher. The study also found that dishwashers excelled in cleanliness over hand washing."

Dishwashers and Environment: Are Dishwashers Good for the Environment?


Jessica

[muttdogg]

Dishwasher

Hey Jessica,
Yes, the dishwasher is efficient at sterilizing dishes. The fact remains that 90% of a dishwashers' energy is wasted.
If you are cooking to the proper temperature, and cleaning it beforehand, you do not need sterilization. They are just selling a product. Once again, please be wary.
Dan

[future pather]

Are you saying you don't wash your dishes?

[admin]

The following link may have some useful information pertinent to this thread.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...t-results.html

[muttdogg]

Admin

Hey Admin,

Hope you don't mind me using my experience to help others. And, no, that link didn't change anything. Latex paint contains aluminum oxide. Look it up. Most additives are garbage. Radiant barrier "paint" isn't actually a paint, but a coating. As a painter of 27 years, I don't apply radiant barrier, it is a specially applied coating.
Dan

[admin]

Dan,

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[henrii]

Interesting Thread. It's a nice topic.

In another forum I am with they almost review self help tools/metaphysical tools i.e. pendants, subliminals cds/mp3/video, radionic software and radinic box, orgonite out there in the market. They do this by posting their pros and cons experiences. In a way they help each other, what tested products work.

Henrii