Aaron's coil - call to open peer review

[Mark]

Orion

The thing you have to realize is that nothing is over until Aaron has the last word, he will continue posting until the he believes he has won the argument or the other party is so frustrated that they just give up.

Aaron you should have been an attorney your personality is a perfect fit for that profession.

Orion my suggestion to you is to start yet another thread posting a prize for a device that can self run while outputting heat at the same time with all of your methods of verification or something similar to that affect. Have Aaron proof read it before it is posted.

Mark

[Kokomoj0]

Tensions build over time and I can understand.

While most ou stuff can be quickly dismissed mostly for measurement issues there are always those who are really slick salesmen that require a lot of time for someone who is at least open minded to go through to make a determination to what degree any of it is true.

That is why I use a simple hi Z integrator combined with other techniques to measure anything that I have ever built. I have yet to detect any ou, or more correctly stated higher than unity conversion which is not to say it does not exist.

That and it really is impractical to find something that delivers higher conversion efficiency if it requires a capacitor the size of a football field to be practical.

By my standards a waste of time beyond a quick proof of concept.

Which brings us to the heat matters.

The only way a person can accurately convert garbage waveforms to power is sample the signal and integrate it to convert it to DC.

That is easily done with a capacitor, HiZ resistor, and op amp, and the exact input and output voltage obtained is irrelevant since it is the ratio of input to output that is important.

Because people are not doing this their measurements lead them to error upon error and down all sorts of what is ultimately dead end rabbit trails and ultimately a complete waste of time. Quality measurement is critical.

Personally I think we all need to chill and get damn good and drunk over the holidays and hopefully cooler heads will prevail!

[Aaron]

@Mark

Orion

The thing you have to realize is that nothing is over until Aaron has the last word, he will continue posting until the he believes he has won the argument or the other party is so frustrated that they just give up.

Aaron you should have been an attorney your personality is a perfect fit for that profession.

Orion my suggestion to you is to start yet another thread posting a prize for a device that can self run while outputting heat at the same time with all of your methods of verification or something similar to that affect. Have Aaron proof read it before it is posted.

Mark

Mark,

Last word? Asking me if I want to move and I state I do - and that that
is followed up with more argument is not being authentic with me - it is
playing games. Move on means move on.

This thread was off to a good start - I was answering his questions as
time permitted. What in the world was the point of posting your first post here? What do you
think would be accomplished by extending discussion of the argument into
a new thread when it seems like common sense that it should have stayed
in the other thread?

Posting something like that here is contrary to how you are posturing
yourself. Congratulations for sabotaging a thread before it can even get
going.

[OrionLightShip]

I am through arguing with you, but I want to make something clear. Mark is not responsible for sabotaging this thread.


What happened was that I glanced at your last post in the reward thread I saw something to the effect you thought I was "baiting" you. I stopped reading at that point and returned to the Coil thread and read what Ramset wrote. I then responded in I suppose what you would call a n angry cross-thread post. It had nothing do whatsoever with you posting there or not.


The coil thread was sabotaged before I even wrote it because you made extraordinary claims that I was unable to decipher the true meaning of. There was and is no point to continuing this thread.


Thank you


Orion

[kcarring]

@Aaron. Thanks very much. My conventional charger just didn't seem touch it, at all, not even after 10 hours, so i took your advice, set up my SSG to cap dump, forward and it seems to be coming around. I never could have imagined there are so many different ways to have a battery take a charge!

Cheers and Merry Christmas to you all!

[Guruji]

Imhotep cfl

@Aaron. Thanks very much. My conventional charger just didn't seem touch it, at all, not even after 10 hours, so i took your advice, set up my SSG to cap dump, forward and it seems to be coming around. I never could have imagined there are so many different ways to have a battery take a charge!

Cheers and Merry Christmas to you all!

Hi Kcarring I too have built the Imhotep cfl charger but had no results yet. Zilano had edited the circuit for self sustain although I seen no results till now but still expermenting cause I am trying to find right caps.
Did yo try this circuit?
Thanks and Merry Christmas.

[Aaron]

batts

@Aaron. Thanks very much. My conventional charger just didn't seem touch it, at all, not even after 10 hours, so i took your advice, set up my SSG to cap dump, forward and it seems to be coming around. I never could have imagined there are so many different ways to have a battery take a charge!

Cheers and Merry Christmas to you all!

No problem - I had quite a few gel cells especially the 6v 1.7ah ones go
goofy on me with all the radiant charging and some I couldn't turn around.
But one thing is interesting that some were like electrets. I could short them
out and upon release, they would just spring back up. I played around with
a few tests putting those batts to a cap to see if it would "charge" a cap
and it would without really "draining" the battery. I didn't see how long
this effect lasted but if I had time, I'd try to treat that battery acting
like an electret like a solar cell.

Connect cap to get it to the full voltage potential that the battery springs
up to. Disconnect. Then connect cap to another battery or led's, etc...
and repeat to see if that "electret" type of effect holds and you can keep
getting a cap to charge from it without disturbing the battery.

Capacitors can get this effect too.

Anyway, if you do get some results with the cap dump to that battery,
when you get it as high as it will go, then drain it through a resistive load
down to a safe low voltage and then repeat the cap dump charge up.
Drain charge, repeat. Again, works on flooded cell better than gel because
those spikes can dry out the gel quick if hit with them too hard too long
and if let sit around too long, hard to get them back even with this.

Are your batteries gels or flooded cells?

[Guruji]

Bedini circuit self charging

Aaron by that video can I use a bedini circuit and charge it's own source battery by charging a capacitor back to source battery?
Thanks

[Aaron]

feedback

Guruji,

The way I have the cap on the back connected to the front - so the
front supply (batt or cap) does not even see the capacitor, so isn't getting charged
from it.

There are other methods of charging a cap and dumping it back to the front
but the battery doesn't really like that. It is easily over 1.0 and can run a
very long time but the battery still goes down. Over 1.0 but the battery
likes to be either charged steadily or power a load steadily but not
alternate between both.