The Truth About Tesla

[GSM]

I really wish I could explain MY thoughts better Boguslaw.
Thanks for sharing the interesting links Braden.

Moray used a radioactive source to SAFELY generate his 'radiant energy'. Mass to energy (transmutation) as per his own notes. His antenna and earth were merely part of his charge ducting/rectifying circuitry to re-balance entropy at the site of his own locally generated radioactive emissions.
When Moray ran out of radioactive material his efforts could not continue because his method did not transduce energy from the vacuum; nor from the so called 'aether' which so many deem to exist.

Re the Aspden link; electromagnetic excitation is essential at electron/ion level in order to observe plasma related activity. No electrons/ions = no plasma - unless provided/generated by an energetic source. EM radiation (photons) will pass through an extreme low pressure vacuum where there cannot possibly be any resulting electric field alternation, thus no electron/current flow, and hence no transverse magnetic 'wave' component.

Space is space - whether between atoms or galaxies, though of course both are permeated by EM radiations, static fields and energetic particles, the interaction of which with any matter therein gives rise to the characteristic electromagnetic impedance of that space. There is no aether, not even plasmic, so 'tapping the aether' as per Aspden's hypothesis relating to Methernica (though interpretable) cannot be an entirely correct statement.

Was not Tesla's reported 'realisation' this - that it is the energies permeating all space which might be tapped; which he then went on to generate himself in order to photonically transmit to remote locations, and this not via any 'transverse waves' ?
As opposed to EM radiation = photon streams, transverse waves must modulate a medium related to matter in order to propagate, yet there is no matter in the high vacuum of space(s), through which photons may freely pass unless they become acted upon by fields, or plasmas or, the dimensionality of matter, as related to us here on Earth.

We ought not accept hypothesis explaning local findings if they cannot be deemed to have universal application.

[mire]

I find it humors the denial of the aether is so great among the people who claim these things.

why do people continually claim the aether does not exist?

The definition is a medium that allows waves to propagate.

That all by itself is true.

[GSM]

humour

Hi mire,

'Transverse waves' cannot propagate without a medium (a fluid having mass) and for EM radiation - that imaginary 'medium' was/is said (by those who have been 'educated') to be the 'aether'. Yet the 'aether' was a convenable mental construct, and is no more than a 'scientific' exercise of pure imagination !

Now Tesla was concerned at the promulgation of this systemised belief that electromagnetic radiation propagates via 'transverse waves' because he was aware that EM radiation is not 'transverse waves' relying upon an aether in order for it to propagate.

And here are you in a Tesla thread poo-hooing his concepts ?
Where is the evidence for the definition YOU claim in the above post ?
Are you silently initiating a prior but unspoken claim that EM radiation is the transverse wave Tesla stated does not exist ?
THINK about it; for nothing can fall into its correct place (especially energy related) until you *un-believe* what you have been TAUGHT to imagine without provision of evidence for same, no matter how well certificated the illusionaries !!!!!

Please do understand that I received the standard formal training over 45 years ago that ensured I comprehended as you do now (and as still appears via Wikipedia etc.) and it is only one year ago I managed to see the light; ie. to understand how CCDs can receive individual tuned/phased/polarised photons from stars radiating their energies from light years away, and through the near perfect (massless) vacuum of space.

Think about the evidence, not what you have been taught to *believe* as based upon hypotheses erroneously inculcated before the 1920s.

I can assure you the already demonstrated weapons based upon Tesla's work would not work as invisibly as they do if there were an 'aether', and maybe this is why 'educationalists' encourage us to think differently to the way as Tesla did !?

[LetsReplicate]

THERE ARE NO 'WAVES' !!!!!

Current visual explanations relating to electromagnetic 'waves' are no more than the inculcation of a belief system which intentionally hinders understanding - and - keeps us within the expertly closed box !

Your statements are somewhat confusing as you appear to be on both sides of the fence. Einstein theorized the existence of photons, not Tesla. The particles are the imaginary construct, not the waves.

Why are "waveguides" only able to carry multiples of one frequency without loses? The "photons" must "move like a wave".

Why do photons of all frequencies move at the same speed? They must not have a mass yet they have a mass equivalency due to their energy that allows them to impart energy to objects with mass. Waves do not have mass, but affect mass due to their energy. Therefore a photon acts more like a wave than a particle.

Why do Fresnel zones have predictable wave pattern reflections, cancellations and maximums? Again, the photon must be moving like a wave. Fresnel zones are how "transmitting over the hill" works.

EVERYTHING is a wave by default. The double slit proves that even matter is a wave when not converted into a particle by electromagnetic observation. The duality of the system is key to understanding how it all works and an "educated guess" by Tesla 100 years ago does not outweigh current experimental evidence. Just like some of Einstein's educated guesses are being overturned by experimental evidence. We are not in an "expertly closed box", we are trying to make sense of the experimental results. Even if scientists are "doing it wrong", experimental objectivity still leads to the correct results under different names.

The photon "particle" is simply the "instantaneous value" of the light wave that results from measurement. The same is true for the electron: it is a wave until we try to find it, then it becomes a particle.

Photons being waves in a medium is the only way to reconcile the existence of "virtual photons" in the near fields of antennas. Electron de-excitation must happen before the "photon" can exist, but "virtual photons" act like "photon suction" (not an anti-photon, but suction) on the transmitter that causes de-excitation. Without a wave/aether explanation that would be effect preceding cause. All "virtual particles" have the same problem: they are the more complicated explanation to simple energy wave functions.

In the modern system static "aether" has been replaced by the static "quantum vacuum" despite them being the same thing. I don't believe that the "vacuum" exists because it seems to act like an external pressure MORE than an external "lack of pressure". If there were no electromagnetic pressure given by the medium, there would be no reason for an electromagnetic field to collapse its energy back into a coil. When Tesla was describing the aether vacuum, the inductive collapse appearing to vacuum up the energy stored in the aether was what he was referring to, not the medium itself being a vacuum. Modern physics has made the same mistake and the net result is a claimed "lack of pressure" that has tons and tons of "virtual particles and virtual anti-particles that instantaneously cancel" (which would be a positive pressure, not a vacuum). The newer "dynamic aether", where the movement of aether is "gravity waves" (or fields if you prefer) and density is magnetism, fits with modern quantum mechanics theory to explain the lack of existence of the graviton and lack of the Higgs-boson. They are the aether itself.

A "transverse wave" is just the name we've given it; the name does not effect how the wave propagates, or what it is made of.

[boguslaw]

If ether is like Tesla predicted more gas then fluid or solid then only longitudinal waves are natural ound-like energy transfers. All other are not-natural complex phenomena. It is possible to have transverse wave in gas but that require complex structure like vortex pulsating because transverse wave propagate when there is barrier between two places like two materials of different density.

[Aaron]

plenum

In the modern system static "aether" has been replaced by the static "quantum vacuum" despite them being the same thing. I don't believe that the "vacuum" exists because it seems to act like an external pressure MORE than an external "lack of pressure". If there were no electromagnetic pressure given by the medium, there would be no reason for an electromagnetic field to collapse its energy back into a coil. When Tesla was describing the aether vacuum, the inductive collapse appearing to vacuum up the energy stored in the aether was what he was referring to, not the medium itself being a vacuum. Modern physics has made the same mistake and the net result is a claimed "lack of pressure" that has tons and tons of "virtual particles and virtual anti-particles that instantaneously cancel" (which would be a positive pressure, not a vacuum). The newer "dynamic aether", where the movement of aether is "gravity waves" (or fields if you prefer) and density is magnetism, fits with modern quantum mechanics theory to explain the lack of existence of the graviton and lack of the Higgs-boson. They are the aether itself.

A "transverse wave" is just the name we've given it; the name does not effect how the wave propagates, or what it is made of.

The "quantum vacuum" is not static and does not cancel itself out to zero. There is an observable universe because there is no perfect cancellation. And the term vacuum in regards to "quantum vacuum" or "vacuum energy" is not a reference to a lack of pressure. That is a misinterpretation thinking a "quantum" physicist is talking about a lack of atmospheric pressure when using the term vacuum when they are talking about space that is abundantly full. It is simply a misnomer that has persisted from the original use of vacuum to explain what "empty space" is meaning it is void of atmospheric gases, which has nothing to do with vacuum space having a full abundance of something else. It is actually a plenum and not a vacuum so you could call it "plenum energy". And there is a positive pressure from it instead of a lack of pressure - as you mention, the collapsing magnetic field.

[GSM]

Hi LetsReplicate,

Too much to respond to.
You are bringing in many more aspects not related to the few points I raised.
Actually I see you on both sides of the fence too.

You state that photons must move like a wave ?
But surely they move radially outwards from a radiating source, and in straight lines ?

Why must everything be a 'wave' by default ?
'Transverse waves' being what Tesla could not accept.
EM radiation has a purely longitudinal straight line path unless acted upon by matter or fields.

Nodes of low frequency radio transmissions can be miles long. Am I supposed to imagine massive fields of transverse waves which are not actually there, nor anywhere, that is until the photons are electromagnetically transduced by/around a receiving wire antenna - as Hertz demonstrated with his one metre dipoles/loops before making his erroneous conclusions and 'wave' claims ?

There simply cannot be a transverse travelling magnetic field without charge/current flow, and there is little or no current flow in air or vacuum due to normal radio transmission propagation.


Hi Boguslaw,

'Longitudinal Waves', or the truly dynamic, fixed frequency nature of a photon stream, with each photon individually x-y-z polarised upon emission, travelling distance in time (phase/waveguide tuning etc.), and with each photon possessing its frequency related fundamental energy-mass equivalence as LetsReplicate stated.

[Kali__ma__Amar]

First I wanna thank the thread opener. And then I just wanna put my 2cents about this matter.

For I personally also think, that especially in the FE-community way too much false claims are made about Tesla.

I think 2 major factors started this: Gerry Vassilatos' book and Lyne's Books

I also got first into contact with these books. Then I did something that obviously most people don't seem to do: I read a lot of the original Tesla work (and there's a lot).
And guess what? It were two completely different storys!
I certainly had the advantage that perhaps not all people have: A thorough technical education. Therefore I could quite well understand what Tesla was talking about.

One big questions I would have about Gerry's book. What are the sources?
For about all the original sources I read, absolutely nothing even comes close to the story in Gerry's book.
And as this is the base of most claims made in the FE-community, this would be a very important starting point.

For the Lyne books IMHO the answer is very simple. Lyne made quite a lot of very special observations (and these are IMHO surely legit). And sure, he wanted to have some answers, so he searched. But as his knowledge in electrical engineering is not that profound, he just interpreted what he didn't understand in his own way. (you always hear what you wanna hear)
E.g. he mentions of how Tesla speaks of "ropes in the air" and immediately interprets this as a kind of anti gravity effect.
But every electrical engineer immediately recognizes what Tesla was talking about. He was talking about plasma striations. They curl about themselves due to the magnetic field. So the best thing to describe the appearance to someone is really, to describe them like "ropes".

The next example in his book, when he speaks of Tesla's homopolar motors/generators: There Tesla speaks of how one can make a homopolar motor/generator "self exciting".
Lyne immediately wanted to understand this, as a way of FE-device. But if you read it, it is very obvious that Tesla meant nothing else, than by introducing a coil into the turning plate, you can construct such a motor/generator which creates it's own magnetic field, so that the external magnets are not needed anymore. Nothing else. There's absolutely no OU claim in this article.

I could go on like that, but I think the message is clear.
IMHO people here should really give sources when they make big claims about Tesla. And then please no sources to others who claim (like Gerry's book), but to the corresponding real sources.

The internet copy&paste mentality unfortunately has the bad side effect that things very quickly get claimed as truth whereas there's nothing real behind it. E.g. someone writes in a forum his interpretation of a Tesla article. Someone reads it modifies it a bit, posts it somewhere else, again with the Tesla claim. And after a few iterations, it is posted in the forums as if Tesla said this/made this ...(although it just started as a vague theory of someone)

Another claim I hear a lot about Tesla is his Magnifier Transmitter. If you really read his articles it is very obvious what a Magnifier is and how it should have worked (and maybe it would work). And there's absolutely no OU claim from Tesla about that!
On the contrary. Tesla himself said, that this transmission of power without wire (through the earth) would allow to make power plants where they can easily be built anywhere in the world (e.g. at a waterfall in africa). You just have to place a Magnifier near the power plant to be able to transmit this power over the whole globe.

And these are just a very few examples I encountered over the years.
My advice to everyone: Read Tesla's originals, and please if you don't understand something, don't just interpret anything you wanna see in it, but ask an electric engineer, what Tesla has meant...

[mire]

All had very good explanations, very well thought out.

Thank you.

[LetsReplicate]

Hi LetsReplicate,

Too much to respond to.
You are bringing in many more aspects not related to the few points I raised.
Actually I see you on both sides of the fence too.

You state that photons must move like a wave ?
But surely they move radially outwards from a radiating source, and in straight lines ?

Why must everything be a 'wave' by default ?
'Transverse waves' being what Tesla could not accept.
EM radiation has a purely longitudinal straight line path unless acted upon by matter or fields.

Nodes of low frequency radio transmissions can be miles long. Am I supposed to imagine massive fields of transverse waves which are not actually there, nor anywhere, that is until the photons are electromagnetically transduced by/around a receiving wire antenna - as Hertz demonstrated with his one metre dipoles/loops before making his erroneous conclusions and 'wave' claims ?

There simply cannot be a transverse travelling magnetic field without charge/current flow, and there is little or no current flow in air or vacuum due to normal radio transmission propagation.


Hi Boguslaw,

'Longitudinal Waves', or the truly dynamic, fixed frequency nature of a photon stream, with each photon individually x-y-z polarised upon emission, travelling distance in time (phase/waveguide tuning etc.), and with each photon possessing its frequency related fundamental energy-mass equivalence as LetsReplicate stated.

The "few points" you raised do not seem to take into account the "full system". It is easy to claim a portion of established theory is wrong when you don't provide evidence to back up the point and dismiss counter evidence. Wave-particle duality is a property confirmed by double slit experiments and is the basis for the existence of quantum mechanics. You are trying to remove the wave from the duality, that results in an incomplete model which does not explain quantum physics.

Photons, like all quantum objects, exhibit both wave-like and particle-like properties. Their dual wave–particle nature can be difficult to visualize. The photon displays clearly wave-like phenomena such as diffraction and interference on the length scale of its wavelength. For example, a single photon passing through a double-slit experiment lands on the screen exhibiting interference phenomena but only if no measure was made on the actual slit being run across. To account for the particle interpretation that phenomenon is called probability distribution but behaves according to Maxwell's equations.[48] However, experiments confirm that the photon is not a short pulse of electromagnetic radiation; it does not spread out as it propagates, nor does it divide when it encounters a beam splitter.[49] Rather, the photon seems to be a point-like particle since it is absorbed or emitted as a whole by arbitrarily small systems, systems much smaller than its wavelength, such as an atomic nucleus (≈10−15 m across) or even the point-like electron. Nevertheless, the photon is not a point-like particle whose trajectory is shaped probabilistically by the electromagnetic field, as conceived by Einstein and others; that hypothesis was also refuted by the photon-correlation experiments cited above. According to our present understanding, the electromagnetic field itself is produced by photons, which in turn result from a local gauge symmetry and the laws of quantum field theory

Photons do not move in straight lines. No experiment has ever come to the conclusion that photons move in straight lines: quite the opposite. If they did we wouldn't refer to light using "wavelength". And if they did move only in straight lines, then "waveguides" would not work (even assuming photons have a "size" based on frequency is admitting they are really waves because only waves maintain speed while having a variable frequency based size), and Fresnel zones would not exist. The self-interference alone indicates that they are waves, not particles because particles can not self-interfere. They do move radially outward, but not straight. If you'd like to contest that point please provide reference to an experiment or scientifically established theory that supports your position.

Additionally, you can explain how a single particle can extend radially in all directions from a single atom. Wouldn't that take multiple particles so they can move out in all directions? A wave does not have that limitation.

Firing single electrons in the double slit experiment while not trying to observe which slit the electron goes through causes the electron to interfere with itself in the same way a wave does. Not observing which slit the particle goes through is an indication of the particle's "default" state when not being measured. That experimental result turned physics on its head and started the field of quantum mechanics. In quantum mechanics, all the "particles" are expressed as wave functions. That means they are being expressed as waves mathematically but called a particle for ease of understanding. The particle is the imaginary concept, not the wave.

[GSM]

'Transverse Waves' ?

Claiming the duality of a 'full' system is avoiding my (Tesla's?) point/question.

Just as an Agnostic cannot be converted to Christianity by a devout follower quoting from his New Testament (which provides no proof of evidence to convince the un-believer), so no amount of quoting duality can explain the 'transverse magnetic field wave' of electromagnetic radiation, because it is NOT real between source and the point of transduction. Besides, the voltage and magnetic fields at transmitting antennas and receiving wires are in quadrature (= constant energy exchange), yet we are expected to believe there is a 'wave' of phase co-incident voltage and magnetism (= inconstant energy) traversing space ?

Unless there can be an explanation for a 'magnetic transverse wave' component travelling through a vacuum, where there is NO medium for current flow in order to generate a magnetic field (remember a magnetic field is the activation/alignment of electron orbits) then there cannot be a 'magnetic wave', no matter which hypotheses are claimed to apply.

Another point.
Take an antenna coil wrapped around a ferrite bar/rod in a portable AM radio; ferrite being an excellent source of amenable (magnetically alignable) electron orbits.
It does not matter how long the bar is made it will not lead to the coil transducing more electromagnetic energy from any supposed much larger 'wave field' because it is the wire of the coil itself which transduces the electromagnetically radiated photon stream, not the ferrite coupling with any 'magnetic wave' (which the coil induces as part of the resonant/tuned circuit).
However, increasing the size of a linear ferrite core within a much larger sized static alternating magnetic field does increase coil output, especially when there is a resonating coil overwind, though then of course a static field is not electromagnetically radiated.

How can there be a 'transverse magnetic radio wave component' if it does not induce greater magnetic field alternation into a longer ferrite core, the dimension of which is still negligible compared to the propagating EM radiation 'wavelength' ?
Put a cork on a real water wave and it bobs; the bigger the cork, the more energy is transduced.

This *evidence* alone is proof that there is NO 'transverse magnetic wave' component of propagating EM radiation, and indeed is the reason why fitting longer ferrite antenna systems does not lead to increased sensitivity with portable radios. This, coupled with the 'travelling wave' concept, is likely the reason why ultra sensitive portables, which could be manufactured if based upon photonic transduction, presently do not exist.

I am aware of theories relating to voltage and magnetic 'radio fields', and how if one is supposedly removed then an entire 'radio wave' is removed, or how receiving via a 'magnetic' loop antenna supposedly reduces voltage field interference, etc.; but these fields materialise ONLY at the (any) site(s) of photonic interaction.
To claim their individual presence, or their presence at all points along a path of propagation is erroneous, and doing so induces the most serious of misconceptions; as witnessed.
(Similar reasoning can be applied to the supposed 'transverse electric wave component' of EM radiation but is more difficult to attempt in isolation, and thus I thank those who are responding here, for them not becoming like the abusive shills I have come across, and suffered from, in other places.)

[GSM]

reveal sources ...

A challenge was raised in this thread to reveal all sources for information quoted.

Here is the source relating to one of mine -

The Tom Bearden Website

Plus another useful summary (much more than a list) -

Nikola Tesla - The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla - The Man who invented the 20th Century

[mire]

added research

A history of the theories of aether and electricity : from the age of Descartes to the close of the nineteenth century

This is a great book I recommend reading. I enjoyed it.

This transverse wave you are talking about is a very interesting component to my free energy vacuum experiments.

What i discovered is there is a traverse magnetic component, but I am looking deeper into this with experiments.

It may not be a wave at all, but a pathway for the current to follow.

I still have to do more research and experiments before i can make a good conclusion, but there is a lateral movement that is a very fast, It allows for the electricity to follow. I call this current. you can see this in my tread vacuum energy on page two.

The experiments have come to a halt at this point, I really don't seem to have anyone else interested in duplicating some of these experiments.
I hoped by posting here someone would take an interest in the example i show, because I did the experiments, and found supporting info.

Tomas Bearden coal car analogy is this tapped energy. The energy is pure static, and a current can be made by capacitor, or perhaps by a lateral movement of the energy passing all at once in a transverse direction.

I have to do more experiments to have a better understanding, and i liked all your comments on the aether medium. If i add a positive static charge, to the negative static charge, and accelerate them together things are going to fall into place quickly for a lot of experimenters, including myself.

I am 95% sure this will give me the ability to charge the electrolytic type capacitors i still am unable to charge with the negative energy alone.

good job guy for keeping is civil.

LIFTER TECHNOLOGY

[mire]

sorry when i made the edits of spelling errors it did not save them in my previous post.


thanks all for sharing the information provided on the aether medium.

[GSM]

energy transfer without EM radiation

Hi Mire,

Your last post suggests you are attempting energy transfer.
Just found your thread and video, but I do not understand what you are trying to do.